VegasCanuck Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Sol although I don't think we would, or should trade Hughes, IF New Jersey came to the Canucks with an offer like: To NJ: Hughes Boeser 1 million retained To Vancouver: 2023 1st 2024 1st unprotected (not that I think they would need to) 2025 2nd Nemec Holtz Siegenthaler I would have to at least stop and ponder a defense of: OEL / Nemec Siegenthaler / Bear Dermott / Burroughs / Schenn (assuming we bring him back) OEL has been pretty good when he's required to be #1LD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Trading Hughes would be the equivalent of probably trading Chychrun (you could argue Quinn's PPG offence, but Chychrun is better physically, although not by much). Last year Arizona were asking for 4 pieces, now it sounds like they're just asking for a decent young player + 1st + A-grade prospect. No player apart from maybe McDavid is really worth 4 great players. Quinn is worth a good young player, 1st (although that's a very low first from NJD so take that into account) and A-grade prospect. Nemec, Bahl and a 1st sounds like a haul but Nemec is unproven, Bahl is basially playing bare minimum 6D minutes despite being young and that 1st may well be a 30-32OA. Then again, Nemec may become the best player of the bunch and better than Hughes. It's a big gamble. With Petey on board, there's no point trading Hughes - their ages align perfectly. If we're trading Hughes to rebuild this team, we might as well trade Pettersson too and really bomb this team for picks. If that's the case then sure, I'd trade Hughes for Nemec + 1st + Bahl/Mercer/Holtz etc. We can basically assume we're not going to try for the playoffs for 3-5 years. Then we've got to move Petey, trading a 100pt young star center may be getting into 4 decent pieces... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 This thread has been filled with Peter Pan fantasies pretty quickly! 4 1st rounders +. Hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Face Doom Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Quinn isn't going anywhere unless he asks to go somewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 hours ago, HKSR said: You won't get some crazy haul for Hughes. Quinn is an excellent defenceman, but a team is not giving up 5 or 6 assets for him. I think any package starts with Nemec and a 1st. Then you add in a roster player, and MAYBE a smaller add-on (B prospect or 2nd round pick) So... Nemec Wood 1st 2nd or to make room on the LHD... Nemec Siegenthaler 1st These proposals of Nemec + another top tier prospect + 1st + good roster player would never happen. Nemec is worth so much that I don't even think NJ would move him for Hughes. I agree so many of these Canuck fans on this forum have no idea how good Nemec and Mercer are.... To your point if Canucks received, Nemec 18 RD -- Mercer 21 W--- 1st rounder in 2023 - 2nd rounder 2024, Hockey experts would say Canucks did fantastic with Hughes trade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, J.I.A.H.N said: I gotta disagree HKSR If you win a cup and then a losing season right after, they will still tar and feather the coach, and GM...........fans have a short memory span, IMHO If they have a losing season right after, that means the players are failing on the ice. In which case, nobody would care if there are 3 brothers on the team. In fact, they'd probably blame them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, rekker said: Maybe. But this is big business. Simulators are run, consultants are talked to. If the Devils think having all three Hughes, Americans will drive up revenues, they will pay up. If they offer up a deal you can't refuse, you need to seriously consider it. Well of course. Like JR/PA said, nobody is really untouchable on this team. If somebody offers a haul for any of our players, we need to look at it from a value perspective. Building value and building assets is what we need to do more than anything else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, HKSR said: Win Cup = WAY, WAY more revenue than having 3 brothers with the same last name. I think the idea is to entice NJ to imagine what the possibilities would be by winning the cup WITH the 3 brothers, and that's what makes them pay more than perhaps they would for a dman of that calibre not named Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Sean Monahan said: I think most people here understand that the actual offer New Jersey would make in this hypothetical is likely different than what Quinn’s worth. It’s hard to imagine a player of his age, position, and caliber being traded while locked up longer term on a very efficient AAV. Considering those factors, if I were GMPA it’s going to take Nemec, Mercer, Holtz, and an unprotected first rounder before I consider the trade. I still think it’s arguably not enough for Quinn and I’m fairly confident New Jersey wouldn’t want to pay this much. They can both be true. Yeah, very true. Although I think if NJD offered Nemec, Siegenthaler, and a 1st, I would REALLY be intrigued. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Just now, Fanuck said: I think the idea is to entice NJ to imagine what the possibilities would be by winning the cup WITH the 3 brothers, and that's what makes them pay more than perhaps they would for a dman of that calibre not named Hughes. Yeah, but they also don't need Quinn to be a bonafide contender. Let's face it, if Luke and Nemec pan out, they are absolutely stacked beyond belief on that blue line. They don't need Quinn at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 To me, it would depend on what we get back. I'm thinking we're not in a hurry at this point to be good. Hughes obviously is an important piece for us, but if we commit highway robbery because he's that important to us and we get a better team overall from it... that's not exactly a bad thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Sean Monahan said: I think most people here understand that the actual offer New Jersey would make in this hypothetical is likely different than what Quinn’s worth. It’s hard to imagine a player of his age, position, and caliber being traded while locked up longer term on a very efficient AAV. Considering those factors, if I were GMPA it’s going to take Nemec, Mercer, Holtz, and an unprotected first rounder before I consider the trade. I still think it’s arguably not enough for Quinn and I’m fairly confident New Jersey wouldn’t want to pay this much. They can both be true. nemec, mercer and a first works for me......and maybe a cap dump expiring deal like severson. That's more than good value for Hughes in my books 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 So are we posting all hypothetical trades on here now? This was never a rumour just media having fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 minute ago, LegionOfDoom said: So are we posting all hypothetical trades on here now? This was never a rumour just media having fun Give me a rumour thread on CDC where people don't post their proposals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High and Inside Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 This is not a trade we need to make. If they want to blow the doors off then sure will listen. It would take an overpay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 can we lock this, pretty lame spec from a pretty lame source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 minute ago, The Lock said: Give me a rumour thread on CDC where people don't post their proposals. it's like people don't understand the point of a discussion board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Just now, Canucks Curse said: can we lock this, pretty lame spec from a pretty lame source did someone force you to come into this topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 hours ago, HKSR said: I disagree. Winning Cups is the ultimate marketing tool. If you think having 4 Sutters on one team, or multiple Stromes, or Staals generates more revenue than a Stanley Cup win, you are delusional lol Ok The Canucks haven’t won a cup. Why did the Canucks value rise so much during the Sedins years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 29 minutes ago, HKSR said: Yeah, but they also don't need Quinn to be a bonafide contender. Let's face it, if Luke and Nemec pan out, they are absolutely stacked beyond belief on that blue line. They don't need Quinn at all. There's the rub, 'if' they pan out. And while I'm sure Nemec will (although I do get why others feel a bird in the hand is better than in the bush so to speak), we KNOW that Huggy is already a star. That would not only make them legitimate contenders sooner than waiting to see if these guys pan out, but it would allow them to market their team in a way no NHL team (dare I say no pro sports team in NA) can right now. What that's worth to NJ is anyone's guess? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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