Gawdzukes Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 42 minutes ago, stawns said: I don't want to see Bear on the ice for 20+ mins a night. I'm hoping Johansson can get into that #2rhd spot and play with OEL, then Myers at 3rhd. I don't really care if they bring Bear back or not I agree. No Bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, stawns said: I don't want to see Bear on the ice for 20+ mins a night. I'm hoping Johansson can get into that #2rhd spot and play with OEL, then Myers at 3rhd. I don't really care if they bring Bear back or not Don’t think Bear would be on the ice for 20+ minutes though Hughes and Bear would get 16-17 5v5 minutes, then Hughes gets 5-6 mins powerplay time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) He's fine as a bottom pairing guy, but yeah, I don't want Bear in our top four Edited June 9, 2023 by Coconuts 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Coconuts said: He's fine as a bottom pairing guy, but yeah, I don't want Bear in our top four Yeah this is why I can’t fathom paying him more than 1-1.5 other guys getting a similar job done at league minimum like burroughs hirose schenn 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 3 hours ago, LegionOfDoom said: Yeah this is why I can’t fathom paying him more than 1-1.5 other guys getting a similar job done at league minimum like burroughs hirose schenn For Bear it's still about what he could become to a degree. Schenn also got a pretty hefty payday at that age. Very hefty really. Only knock I have on Bear is he's yet another undersized D. We already have two in our top four. We certainly don't need another one. Would much rather bring back Schenn. He's for sure earned a raise. Given him Bears current money, and try and trade Bears rights. Bears a RHD...let's be honest, if he was a LHD what sort of market would there be for him? We need to beef up our team. And still need to make changes to our D. For sure we need mobility as part of the equation, but there has to be a balance. We need guys who can clear the net and make forwards pay hard for entering our zone, and along the boards. Myers has that at times. Schenn has that in spades. And it's not something he's going to lose until he's retired. There was some dialogue that QHs was carrying Schenn to a degree. That's completely false ... TO thought they were getting a veteran leader who would add snarl and hit guys. Instead Schenn played like a top two or three for them. Became one of their storylines, especially in the first round. Keefe said Schenn was the reason why the team didn't feel like they were going to lose the series, as compared to all their previous attempts, Schenns influence removed the cliques, and stuck to team dinners. That's a powerful influence, especially on a young team like ours (5th youngest in the league now). Would love to sign Schenn. 2.25-2.5 x 3. That would give the team some breathing room to find another top four RHD. To me he's like Willie Mitchell was for LA. And can tell you this right now, IF Gillis re-signed Mitchell, instead of doing the Ballard trade, we'd of had extra cap space. And not ended up being Bostons b!tch for half a series. Would have had a different result. Same age too. If Bear was 6'3 225lbs, i'd say sign him now! But he's not. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, IBatch said: For Bear it's still about what he could become to a degree. Schenn also got a pretty hefty payday at that age. Very hefty really. Only knock I have on Bear is he's yet another undersized D. We already have two in our top four. We certainly don't need another one. Would much rather bring back Schenn. He's for sure earned a raise. Given him Bears current money, and try and trade Bears rights. Bears a RHD...let's be honest, if he was a LHD what sort of market would there be for him? We need to beef up our team. And still need to make changes to our D. For sure we need mobility as part of the equation, but there has to be a balance. We need guys who can clear the net and make forwards pay hard for entering our zone, and along the boards. Myers has that at times. Schenn has that in spades. And it's not something he's going to lose until he's retired. There was some dialogue that QHs was carrying Schenn to a degree. That's completely false ... TO thought they were getting a veteran leader who would add snarl and hit guys. Instead Schenn played like a top two or three for them. Became one of their storylines, especially in the first round. Keefe said Schenn was the reason why the team didn't feel like they were going to lose the series, as compared to all their previous attempts, Schenns influence removed the cliques, and stuck to team dinners. That's a powerful influence, especially on a young team like ours (5th youngest in the league now). Would love to sign Schenn. 2.25-2.5 x 3. That would give the team some breathing room to find another top four RHD. To me he's like Willie Mitchell was for LA. And can tell you this right now, IF Gillis re-signed Mitchell, instead of doing the Ballard trade, we'd of had extra cap space. And not ended up being Bostons b!tch for half a series. Would have had a different result. Same age too. If Bear was 6'3 225lbs, i'd say sign him now! But he's not. Bottom pairing D are also the easiest to swap out whether that be via UFA, trade, or promoting prospects Could be an area cap could be saved I think Bear is serviceable but moreso as a bottom pairing guy, he wasn't bad or anything I was just kinda meh about him, I'd rather have something more along the lines of what you described to balance the D a bit more Edited June 9, 2023 by Coconuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 10 hours ago, IBatch said: For Bear it's still about what he could become to a degree. Schenn also got a pretty hefty payday at that age. Very hefty really. Only knock I have on Bear is he's yet another undersized D. We already have two in our top four. We certainly don't need another one. Would much rather bring back Schenn. He's for sure earned a raise. Given him Bears current money, and try and trade Bears rights. Bears a RHD...let's be honest, if he was a LHD what sort of market would there be for him? We need to beef up our team. And still need to make changes to our D. For sure we need mobility as part of the equation, but there has to be a balance. We need guys who can clear the net and make forwards pay hard for entering our zone, and along the boards. Myers has that at times. Schenn has that in spades. And it's not something he's going to lose until he's retired. There was some dialogue that QHs was carrying Schenn to a degree. That's completely false ... TO thought they were getting a veteran leader who would add snarl and hit guys. Instead Schenn played like a top two or three for them. Became one of their storylines, especially in the first round. Keefe said Schenn was the reason why the team didn't feel like they were going to lose the series, as compared to all their previous attempts, Schenns influence removed the cliques, and stuck to team dinners. That's a powerful influence, especially on a young team like ours (5th youngest in the league now). Would love to sign Schenn. 2.25-2.5 x 3. That would give the team some breathing room to find another top four RHD. To me he's like Willie Mitchell was for LA. And can tell you this right now, IF Gillis re-signed Mitchell, instead of doing the Ballard trade, we'd of had extra cap space. And not ended up being Bostons b!tch for half a series. Would have had a different result. Same age too. If Bear was 6'3 225lbs, i'd say sign him now! But he's not. Kind of agree... Bear feels like our backup plan in case we can't sign/trade for a better Hughes partner. I also really don't think we should be paying him more than $1.5-$2m personally. Rather see that money going to the top 4. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Kind of agree... Bear feels like our backup plan in case we can't sign/trade for a better Hughes partner. I also really don't think we should be paying him more than $1.5-$2m personally. Rather see that money going to the top 4. Agreed. I like Bear, but really, Burroughs brings more of what we need as a depth righty. Also agree, at this point Bear is a bottom pairing Dman untill he proved otherwise and 1.5 per is tops in my opinion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Just now, rekker said: Agreed. I like Bear, but really, Burroughs brings more of what we need as a depth righty. Also agree, at this point Bear is a bottom pairing Dman untill he proved otherwise and 1.5 per is tops in my opinion. I mean it's "nice" that he can play with, even elevate, either OEL or Hughes....but it would be preferable to keep that 3rd pair guy between $1-1.5m (or less) and spend what little cash we have on finding someone better, more full time, for Hughes. Different story if we can manage to move Myers...then sure spend $1.5-$2'ish on Bear as solid depth that can play up. Feel largely the same about bringing back Schenn for that matter. At his previous contract or even up to $1.5'ish, I'd LOVE to have him back. He can 3RD or play with Hughes if we can't get a legit top 4 guy to play there. But if he's looking for $2m+.... Mayfield and Gudas are probably our best bets as UFA's. Maybe Soucy (who's a lefty but can play R). For cheaper 3RD guys that will likely sign closer to $1m...I hope we're looking at Pysyk. After that, we should be trying to trade for guys like Savard, Peeke etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 minute ago, aGENT said: Feel largely the same about bringing back Schenn for that matter. At his previous contract or even up to $1.5'ish, I'd LOVE to have him back This. We agree on Bear, and he doesn't bring the physicality we need at the bottom pairing. Burroughs does, but would way, way more want to see Schenn back. Really hoping for Schenn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stawns Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, rekker said: This. We agree on Bear, and he doesn't bring the physicality we need at the bottom pairing. Burroughs does, but would way, way more want to see Schenn back. Really hoping for Schenn. the second they dealt him, he wasn't coming back. That's why I wanted to keep him pst the tdl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 50 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Makes sense, from what I've read he really enjoyed his second stint in Toronto Wouldn't be surprised if they gave him trade protection of some sort, he's bounced around a lot the last few years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 The eastern travel may be a factor too if he takes his family out that way, the west is way more spread out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 52 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: If so that’s a huge overpay for a guy who can’t skate. Definitely a guy we DO NOT WANT! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrJockitch Posted June 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: If so that’s a huge overpay for a guy who can’t skate. Definitely a guy we DO NOT WANT! Man you really turn against guys when they are traded away. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb_F_Farmer Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Hopefully he'll come play in Vancouver again. Fun player to watch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: Man you really turn against guys when they are traded away. He's soft on Toronto, if anything you think he'd be rooting for Schenn Dude was a good soldier while here during both stints, no hard feelings, most guys move on at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 I hope Schenn is looking at all options. I think he’d make great sense here, at that rate too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Dumb_F_Farmer said: Hopefully he'll come play in Vancouver again. Fun player to watch We have three possible RHD in the system now that would be better and cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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