HKSR Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Who said we're signing a $5M replacement? Who exactly is gonna be able to play top 4 minutes in a shut down role? Unless you feel Hughes is gonna be our guy for shut down duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Yes. Man what give you so much confidence OEL is gonna turn it around with his play this season of we assumed he was healthy? The whole argument of wait a year crowd was he might be decent again if he is healthy for the offseason. Either way with age related decline itself, we would have to buy the guy out in 2 years so what we really arguing is 2 years of 2 million in dead cap in years 7 and 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singing chef Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: Maybe it’s time to just let the young guys play and see what we have and adjust next year: Hughes Hronek Hirose Johansson Rathbone Woo Wolanin McWard Move Myers to ARZ or CHI. Could be a tire fire if we go this way though. Need to see the full plan still. Don't forget we have Dermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smashian Kassian Posted June 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2023 Canucks fan conundrum; Do I keep drinking to help get through the travails of this franchise? Or stop drinking in hopes the few extra years added to my life will be enough to finally see a cup? 2 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, BC_Hawk said: It would be a tire fire with all those guys in there. Remember; this was a move PA has made to get to Playoffs next year NOT to pull a Blackhawks. Be prepared to sign Mayfield for 6.5m OR to see our 11th OAL shipped out. Perfect. Mayfield at 6.5M vs OEL at 7M. Let’s keep the spending going. Obviously Mayfield won’t make that but I wonder if getting Parayko works nicely to pair with Hughes and we go cheap with other guys in the lineup. I mean if somehow we ended up with the following we’d be better: Hughes Parayko Tryamkin Hronek Hirose Johansson Guess I need to reserve judgement until the finished product is complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Just now, Bobby James said: Yeah I agree they want to make the playoffs, totally. But saying anything short of that feels like you're setting yourself up for disappointment. I want the team to be great too, but they have literally added nothing. Today they cleared some cap which is okay (gonna be feeling it for a while still), but they also added a new hole with the 2LD position now vacant. I am making these expectations based off the sacrifices. I assume they will fill some spots with the cap created regardless. The sacrifices they have made warrant nothing more than making the playoffs next season. They look really bad if they don’t next year and will be given no exception or excuse given what they’ve tried to achieve. If they don’t then yeah I’ll be disappointed given the circumstances. They are rushing the direction of the team to the point where results need to be achieved sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, HKSR said: Who exactly is gonna be able to play top 4 minutes in a shut down role? Unless you feel Hughes is gonna be our guy for shut down duties. The smart thing to do is trade pennies on the dollar for a serviceable dmen on a capped out team with only a year or two of term that can still play in the top 4. That is the only correct move. Edited June 16, 2023 by 24K PureCool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Just now, 24K PureCool said: Man what give you so much confidence OEL is gonna turn it around with his play this season of we assumed he was healthy? The whole argument of wait a year crowd was he might be decent again if he is healthy for the offseason. Either way with age related decline itself, we would have to buy the guy out in 2 years so what we really arguing is 2 years of 2 million in dead cap in years 7 and 8. Even if he doesn't, I'd still rather ride the contract out than do something as stupid as what management did today. There is simply no excuse for long-term dead cap under any circumstances. The scum managing this team should be ashamed of what they are doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 2 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: So short-sighted. Watch him sign for 1 million and win a cup as a 5th dman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 minute ago, singing chef said: Don't forget we have Dermott. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s not re-signed but at this point, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Just now, MaxVerstappen33 said: Watch him sign for 1 million and win a cup as a 5th dman Calgary will sign him like the rest ex nucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 OEL could be a good buy low candidate for a competitive team, dude gets to double dip as far as pay goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Diamonds said: I hate this. It just feels incredibly shortsighted and like a continuation of all the other shortsighted moves the Canucks have been doing the past few years that have almost destroyed this core's chance to ever compete. If OEL is able to bounce back at all after having a fully healthy offseason it's easy to see him get back to a 6M quality player. Instead, in years 3 and 4 we're stuck with a 4.77M cap hit during our best chance to compete before Miller almost certainly declines. In order to replace OEL without actually costing more in cap, the Canucks need to find a player for 2.5M that can play at a 6M level. Good luck. Of course this is not to mention that we're then hit with another 4 years of a 2.13M cap hit after that when he would normally have been off the books. Even waiting one more year to see if he could bounce back would have been a better buyout option. Thing is, if they feel he can do this - we wouldn't be at this juncture. Tochett and him also didn't see eye to eye. It is what it is, was also hoping he'd be back to like his first season. Maybe they don't have much confidence in his recovery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singing chef Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Just now, HKSR said: Who exactly is gonna be able to play top 4 minutes in a shut down role? Unless you feel Hughes is gonna be our guy for shut down duties. Travis Dermott. 27 y.o. LHD, 6'2" 202 lbs. $1.5MM cap hit, RFA (and yes, I realize he was on IRL part of last season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, hammertime said: Good lord. Hey guess we're going FA shopping what could go wrong? I hope we aren’t going to do that. i think Projecting OEL in our line up for his contract was rough. Especially the message it sent to others. It was kinda tough either way. so hope they plan to replace him with cheaper players and not to replace with an overpaid UFA LETS HOPE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said: Like I said before, we will be stuck with those $4 million no matter when we buy OEL out and we would have to unless the guy gets long-term injured. We can't have him taking up a roaster spot with $7.2 million cap hit in those two years. Only downside is the 2 additional years of 2mil dead cap but by that time the cap should have gone up a lot that the league minimum would be approaching that number. But we're still stuck with a 4.77M OEL hit and a 2.5M player might replace last year's injured OEL, but not the healthy one from 2 years ago. So you still need to pay that 7.26M anyway without any improvement. Might as well just keep him. Also, while the cap hit still would have still been high in those years if we bought him out next year instead, I believe it dropped to 4.1M from the 4.77M. A 600K difference in those years is still a tangible difference. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Reinbacher/Willander better have a great summer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalCanuckFan Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 minute ago, grandmaster said: Doubt it. What is intriguing is that Hannifin is available for trade. His Cap hit is just 5M next season. https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2665194 Add Calgary Flames defenseman Noah Hanifin to the growing list of players that could get dealt this summer. All signs point to the blue-liner not wanting to sign an extension with the club, meaning a trade is likely, according to The Athletic's Pierre LeBrun. Hanifin is in the final season of his contract with a $4.95-million cap hit and can become an unrestricted free agent in 2024. The fifth overall pick in 2015, Hanifin is 6-3, skates well, and is only 26 years old, which could make him an appealing addition for several teams. He tallied 38 points this past season and a career-high 48 the campaign prior. His underlying numbers over the last three seasons have been stellar, buoyed by his excellent 2021-22 campaign. Evolving-Hockey The Flames have several other players who can become UFAs in 2024, including Elias Lindholm, Tyler Toffoli, Mikael Backlund, Chris Tanev, and Nikita Zadorov. New Calgary general manager Craig Conroy said during his introductory press conference that he doesn't want to lose pending UFAs for nothing, as the club did with Johnny Gaudreau a year ago. Pierre-Luc Dubois, Connor Hellebuyck, Alex DeBrincat, and Erik Karlsson are among other players around the league that are expected to be available for trade this offseason. Can't see the Canucks having the pieces for Hanifin unless they're looking at moving a 1st Rd pick. Hanifin is 26 and will need a new contract after this one. If the 11OA is in play for Hanifin at a division rival, then I will feel a lot less positive about the cap space the Canucks just bought. To me, the goal now is to continue to try to move out cap but to require more assets in return now that there is cap space to work with. At the same time, the team needs to continue adding young depth, ideally with a longer time horizon not just for team control but also a lower AAV. Hanifin could be a $7M+ dman next summer at the rate prices are increasing, and the Canucks will have to re-sign Hronek too. If there was some way to bring in Hanifin without trading a 1st, then sure, I'd be interested, but I can't see why CGY would do that with the Canucks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: Even if he doesn't, I'd still rather ride the contract out than do something as stupid as what management did today. There is simply no excuse for long-term dead cap under any circumstances. The scum managing this team should be ashamed of what they are doing. You are the stupid one then. Ridding out the contract in full with $7 million of dead cap and a zombie player during the window is way worse then what the team did. We have to buy OEL out within the next 3 years and really the only difference is the two additional years in year 7 and 8. That is barely an issue by that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 I am curious if Bears injury had any impact on this decision or in regards to what the plan is for Myers here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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