aGENT Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Isn’t Karlsson to Carolina the big rumour? Hopefully we can get in on it and get Pesce while moving Myers to San Jose. Id be okay giving up a lotto protected 1st if we can sign him long term. Between Burns and DeAngelo already on the roster...WTF do they need Karlsson for? And/or, are they moving Burns? I don't get it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 6, 2023 Author Share Posted July 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, aGENT said: Between Burns and DeAngelo already on the roster...WTF do they need Karlsson for? And/or, are they moving Burns? I don't get it. With both Tarasenko and DeAngelo on the way, I don’t think Carolina will have the cap space to keep Pesce around. They might want to trade him for picks and prospects. They probably don’t want a big contract coming back. Trade Myers to San Jose. And then we can trade our 2024 1st top 10 protected plus Nils Höglander to Carolina for Pesce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, aGENT said: Between Burns and DeAngelo already on the roster...WTF do they need Karlsson for? And/or, are they moving Burns? I don't get it. No idea. Could care less if we can snag Pesce though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: With both Tarasenko and DeAngelo on the way, I don’t think Carolina will have the cap space to keep Pesce around. They might want to trade him for picks and prospects. They probably don’t want a big contract coming back. Trade Myers to San Jose. And then we can trade our 2024 1st top 10 protected plus Nils Höglander to Carolina for Pesce. The rumoured trade with SJS was Myers for Labanc before SJS pulled out per Seravalli. Doesn't really feel like SJS wanted Myers but saw it more as a way to move a contract they wanted even less. Edited July 6, 2023 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, stawns said: After years of being "so close" with the Canes, I'd think his list would work include most of the teams perennially on the outside looking in. However, Petey and Hughes could be a draw..........moot point as I doubt Van has the pieces to make that work. I see it being more the pieces to make it work than him not wanting to come here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: With both Tarasenko and DeAngelo on the way, I don’t think Carolina will have the cap space to keep Pesce around. They might want to trade him for picks and prospects. They probably don’t want a big contract coming back. Trade Myers to San Jose. And then we can trade our 2024 1st top 10 protected plus Nils Höglander to Carolina for Pesce. As @mll eluded to, Myers to SJS is likely dead in the water. We'd probably be better off packaging Garland + Rathbone to a team with cap (ARZ, NSH, WPG etc) for little/no return and clear that cap. Then package something for Pesce separately. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 2 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: Carolina the team that for the last 3 years is ready to make a move and go all in but only ever bargain bin shops is finally ready to make a substantial move! Let’s go! Should have done it with miller at the tdl in '22. They'd likely have a Cup by now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 37 minutes ago, aGENT said: As @mll eluded to, Myers to SJS is likely dead in the water. We'd probably be better off packaging Garland + Rathbone to a team with cap (ARZ, NSH, WPG etc) for little/no return and clear that cap. Then package something for Pesce separately. there's literally no way anyone would take 15mil worth of cap from garland on top of the 17mil worth of actual salary for just a tweener prospect that's running out of runway to make the nhl. while garland might have some value to some teams but prolly all of them have no cap space.. he certainly have no value to those budget teams with cap space especialy with the salary worth more than his actual cap hit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 21 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: there's literally no way anyone would take 15mil worth of cap from garland on top of the 17mil worth of actual salary for just a tweener prospect that's running out of runway to make the nhl. while garland might have some value to some teams but prolly all of them have no cap space.. he certainly have no value to those budget teams with cap space especialy with the salary worth more than his actual cap hit You're welcome to that opinion. IMO Rathbone's biggest issue is that we have Hughes (and now Hronek) already on the roster. We simply don't have the roster space, or ability to support a 3rd, smaller, offensive D. There isn't the ice time to give him the offensive minutes/usage he needs, nor do we currently have a 3rd pair right D who would be a suitable partner for him. IMO, his offensive play is NHL level, and he could play a young, Tyson Barrie like role. As for Garland, he's a young, good 5v5 play driver, that any of those teams could use, to flesh out their roster/support their kids. And he has moderate term, which should be attractive to teams like Winnipeg. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eeeeergh Posted July 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2023 Major moves eh? Hey Carolina, let me introduce you to the future of your roster: Myers Garland Poolman Pearson Beauvillier Rathbone 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Loui Eriksson would be a major move 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Loui Eriksson would be a major move Did he ever find a cure for his allergy to his own sweat? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Based on their roster strengths and weaknesses I’d assume the only guy they’d be interested in swapping Pesce for would be Kuzmenko. Not saying Vancouver should do it, only that he’s the guy that seems to make sense from their end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 minute ago, qwijibo said: Based on their roster strengths and weaknesses I’d assume the only guy they’d be interested in swapping Pesce for would be Kuzmenko. Not saying Vancouver should do it, only that he’s the guy that seems to make sense from their end They've been doing a lot of things that don't make sense, such as trading for a defensive liability in Deangelo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 43 minutes ago, aGENT said: You're welcome to that opinion. IMO Rathbone's biggest issue is that we have Hughes (and now Hronek) already on the roster. We simply don't have the roster space, or ability to support a 3rd, smaller, offensive D. There isn't the ice time to give him the offensive minutes/usage he needs, nor do we currently have a 3rd pair right D who would be a suitable partner for him. IMO, his offensive play is NHL level, and he could play a young, Tyson Barrie like role. As for Garland, he's a young, good 5v5 play driver, that any of those teams could use, to flesh out their roster/support their kids. And he has moderate term, which should be attractive to teams like Winnipeg. Rathbone looked lost in the NHL when he was up he was like awful.. if other teams think highly of rathbone they prolly would have already made a move for him as he prolly could be had for well below market because vancouver have no intent on playing or keeping him. sure garland can play in the NHL but he's simply not worth his contract.. his production was god awful both season and his garbage time points made his stats better than it looked. he's not a player that moves the needle and simply cost too much at 5mil for his production.. less than half of his points were against teams that were playoff bound.. and iirc he was -17 or something against those team and +12 against garbage teams i know i wouldn't want him on my team eating up 5mil just to produce against garbage teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: Rathbone looked lost in the NHL when he was up he was like awful.. if other teams think highly of rathbone they prolly would have already made a move for him as he prolly could be had for well below market because vancouver have no intent on playing or keeping him. sure garland can play in the NHL but he's simply not worth his contract.. his production was god awful both season and his garbage time points made his stats better than it looked. he's not a player that moves the needle and simply cost too much at 5mil for his production.. less than half of his points were against teams that were playoff bound.. and iirc he was -17 or something against those team and +12 against garbage teams i know i wouldn't want him on my team eating up 5mil just to produce against garbage teams. Yeah. I don’t see the upside of Rathbone that some others seem to. He’s not Hughes lite. At this point he’ll be lucky to be Mete lite 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 52 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Major moves eh? Hey Carolina, let me introduce you to the future of your roster: Myers Garland Poolman Pearson Beauvillier Rathbone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Garland, Boeser, Beauvillier, Pearson, Myers, Podkolzin, Hoglander, Willander, Hirose + Tanev & 1st For ... Pesce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 19 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Yeah. I don’t see the upside of Rathbone that some others seem to. He’s not Hughes lite. At this point he’ll be lucky to be Mete lite I don't see any chance of him ever becoming an NHLer. He's as bad as Barrie in his own zone. which is nowhere close to acceptable regardless of offensive output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 47 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Based on their roster strengths and weaknesses I’d assume the only guy they’d be interested in swapping Pesce for would be Kuzmenko. Not saying Vancouver should do it, only that he’s the guy that seems to make sense from their end The only other possibility is that they want to move an expiring Pesce to make room for Karlsson. Seems unlikely but if that is what they are doing, then CAR won't want a big contract coming back, they will want futures that they can use in the Karlsson deal. Would love to see us go for it with some trades that seriously impact this roster: To CAR: 2024 1st (top 10 protected) + Hoglander (rfa rights) To VAN: Pesce (extension signed for $6.5m x 7 years) To ARI: Boeser + Beauvillier + Rathbone + 2024 3rd round pick To VAN: Crouse (Arizona has use for some top 6 wingers now they are looking to compete) Sign UFA Nosek $1.75m x 2, Watson $850k x 1 Roster: Crouse Pettersson Kuzmenko Mikheyev Miller Garland Pearson Blueger Podkolzin Joshua Nosek Watson (Aman) Hughes Pesce Cole Hronek Soucy Myers (Irwin Juulsen) Demko (Silovs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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