[Signing] Lightning sign Tyler Motte

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, Citizen Erased said:

I think Kucherov would disagree with you.

Good point. The Lightning are a dynasty because they have several great players. getting Motte on the cheap has nothing to do with them being dynastic. 

[Citizen Erased]

4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Good point. The Lightning are a dynasty because they have several great players. getting Motte on the cheap has nothing to do with them being dynastic. 

No doubt Motte can help, but yes, they have several great players. Hedman and Kucherov were just 2 of them. Stamkos is another.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Citizen Erased said:

No doubt Motte can help, but yes, they have several great players. Hedman and Kucherov were just 2 of them. Stamkos is another.

Their goalie is pretty good too. 

[JeremyCuddles]

2 hours ago, guntrix said:

The Lightning signing Motte for that much (instead of overpaying for a bottom-six motor player) is why they’re a dynasty and we’re not.

Except, they're not a dynasty. They have 2 cups in 4 years. Most people say you need at least 3 cups in 4-5 years to be a dynasty. Winning back to back, while impressive, doesn't make them a dynasty. But yes, they are definitely the better run team than us.

[D-Money]

31 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said:

Except, they're not a dynasty. They have 2 cups in 4 years. Most people say you need at least 3 cups in 4-5 years to be a dynasty. Winning back to back, while impressive, doesn't make them a dynasty. But yes, they are definitely the better run team than us.

That's just a manufactured standard, because 1 team in the last 25 years managed it (Chicago).

 

3 Finals appearances straight, with back-to-back cups? In this era, with 31/32 teams and a salary cap, that's as dominant as you'll see any team be from this point forward. In other words, if Tampa isn't a dynasty, then you'll never see a dynasty team again in your life.

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Their goalie is pretty good too. 

Point is, they have a lot of good players ... pun intended. 

[IBatch]

27 minutes ago, D-Money said:

That's just a manufactured standard, because 1 team in the last 25 years managed it (Chicago).

 

3 Finals appearances straight, with back-to-back cups? In this era, with 31/32 teams and a salary cap, that's as dominant as you'll see any team be from this point forward. In other words, if Tampa isn't a dynasty, then you'll never see a dynasty team again in your life.

No teams have managed it since Detroit.   CHI 3 cups came over a seven year span, first team was a lot different then the last one.  Not really a dynasty, but they did qualify it as a cap era one.   TB by those rules, has time left to get one more.   No team has done 3 finals in a row since EDM did six finals in seven years (3 in a row - miss 3 in a row again, then a miss then one more cup (CAL going to the final the other two times). . TB has that at least.  CHI sure didn't do that, and by those rules, TB has three more cracks at it to tie CHI.   If they do it again in one or two, they will be then the cap standard, and even if it takes then 3 more tries, with 3 finals in a row they'd surpass CHI anyways...they are still a force. 

Edited September 10, 2023 by IBatch

[IBatch]

8 hours ago, D-Money said:

That's just a manufactured standard, because 1 team in the last 25 years managed it (Chicago).

 

3 Finals appearances straight, with back-to-back cups? In this era, with 31/32 teams and a salary cap, that's as dominant as you'll see any team be from this point forward. In other words, if Tampa isn't a dynasty, then you'll never see a dynasty team again in your life.

You do need at least 3 cups with the same team.  I'd argue CHI wasn't a dynasty, given how different the first cup team was.  Byfuglien,  and Brain Campbell was their best D, not Keith, not Seebrook, Ladd, so many  good players weren't part of the other two.   No Crawford.   Wasn't just losing a Bolland after a cup, they lost several good players who became cores on other teams soon after their first cup.   They weren't the same.     PIT and TB were/are every bit as impressive as CHI.    PIT has 3 cups with two different cores too.  16 consecutive post seasons since their first fun to the final against Detroit.    

Edited September 10, 2023 by IBatch

[Devron]

9 hours ago, -AJ- said:

Seems like a bargain unless he's not the player he was with us anymore.

The person. I love what he brought for mental awareness to the club. We need more of that 

[guntrix]

11 hours ago, -AJ- said:

Seems like a bargain unless he's not the player he was with us anymore.

Maybe by a few hundred thousand but we definitely overrated him here. Led by the conveniently-absent OldNews. 

[Drakrami]

12 hours ago, AlexBurrows14Yu said:

If he didn’t get greedy we could still have him!!!

Why can't he be greedy and look out for himself? 

 

He literally has a golden window of 4-5 years, which is his prime years to sign a long term contract that will affect the rest of his life. 

 

And he deserves it playing his hearts out every shift. 

[CanuckleHorse]

3 hours ago, D-Money said:

That's just a manufactured standard, because 1 team in the last 25 years managed it (Chicago).

 

3 Finals appearances straight, with back-to-back cups? In this era, with 31/32 teams and a salary cap, that's as dominant as you'll see any team be from this point forward. In other words, if Tampa isn't a dynasty, then you'll never see a dynasty team again in your life.

Not to mention greedy superstars who demand a huge part of the cap and ruins their teams chances of becoming a dynasty.

[KirkSave]

12 hours ago, Citizen Erased said:

No doubt Motte can help, but yes, they have several great players. Hedman and Kucherov were just 2 of them. Stamkos is another.

TB also had incredible depth at all positions over the past several years. Those players have all been shipped out now due to cap constraints, yet they keep on winning.

 

Johnson, Palat, Killorn, McDonagh, Maroon. These players were key cogs in the TB machine. Now they are hoping players like Jeannot, Hagel, Cirelli, Sergachev can fill those voids and I think it is still a very well built team and with a core of Hedman, Kucherov, Stamkos, Point and Vasi- still a team to be reckoned with for a few more years.

[RWJC]

per Jan Levine - NYR Blogger
 

Two-time former Ranger, Tyler Motte signed a one-year, $800K deal with the Lightning on Saturday. A spot and cap room was created when Josh Archibald told Tampa Bay that he did not want to play, resulting in him being put on waivers for the purpose of terminating his contract. The dollars allocated to Archibald were then shifted to Motte.

 

Most of the off-season, just like last offseason, speculation was that Motte wanted to return to New York. Just like last offseason, that did not come to fruition. Salary demands were reportedly at the root of him signing with Ottawa last year as the Rangers were unable to create sufficient space to slot Motte him based on his asking price, rumored then to be around $1.5 million. Motte received $1.35 mil from the Sens, then was dealt to the Rangers at the deadline.

The dream/thought of adding Motte - even at the deadline - likely is gone completely after he signed with Tampa. Barring a complete collapse, the Lightning will be in the playoff hunt, making it exceedingly unlikely that they deal him. Plus, he fills a material need for that team following the retirement of Archibald.

For New York, it's an opportunity lost. Motte fit in well both times he played for the Rangers. Able to play wing and center, Motte provided the team with a solid fourth-line player who could also play on the penalty kill. Injuries impacted both of his terms in New York, especially the first time around.

Larry Brooks puts the onus on Motte not returning on the player based on his asking price. If you believe what he tweeted, or I guess now Xed, Motte priced himself out of what the team could afford. Then, when the asking price dropped, there was no room at the inn, though with 48 contracts, the team could add two more before hitting the max quota.
 

Have been told by multiple sources that Motte’s asking price into free agency and much of the summer was $2M per. Second consecutive offseason this useful fourth-liner misread the market and priced himself out of New York. Then when he dropped his demands, the Rangers didn't have much room at the inn for him, though they had two open contract slots.

Rangers currently have 48 contracts, two below max. When Motte accepted reality, it was too late for NYR

Edited September 10, 2023 by RWJC

[Diamonds]

2 hours ago, RWJC said:

per Jan Levine - NYR Blogger
 

Two-time former Ranger, Tyler Motte signed a one-year, $800K deal with the Lightning on Saturday. A spot and cap room was created when Josh Archibald told Tampa Bay that he did not want to play, resulting in him being put on waivers for the purpose of terminating his contract. The dollars allocated to Archibald were then shifted to Motte.

 

Most of the off-season, just like last offseason, speculation was that Motte wanted to return to New York. Just like last offseason, that did not come to fruition. Salary demands were reportedly at the root of him signing with Ottawa last year as the Rangers were unable to create sufficient space to slot Motte him based on his asking price, rumored then to be around $1.5 million. Motte received $1.35 mil from the Sens, then was dealt to the Rangers at the deadline.

The dream/thought of adding Motte - even at the deadline - likely is gone completely after he signed with Tampa. Barring a complete collapse, the Lightning will be in the playoff hunt, making it exceedingly unlikely that they deal him. Plus, he fills a material need for that team following the retirement of Archibald.

For New York, it's an opportunity lost. Motte fit in well both times he played for the Rangers. Able to play wing and center, Motte provided the team with a solid fourth-line player who could also play on the penalty kill. Injuries impacted both of his terms in New York, especially the first time around.

Larry Brooks puts the onus on Motte not returning on the player based on his asking price. If you believe what he tweeted, or I guess now Xed, Motte priced himself out of what the team could afford. Then, when the asking price dropped, there was no room at the inn, though with 48 contracts, the team could add two more before hitting the max quota.
 

Have been told by multiple sources that Motte’s asking price into free agency and much of the summer was $2M per. Second consecutive offseason this useful fourth-liner misread the market and priced himself out of New York. Then when he dropped his demands, the Rangers didn't have much room at the inn for him, though they had two open contract slots.

Rangers currently have 48 contracts, two below max. When Motte accepted reality, it was too late for NYR

He might actually be worth close to 2M if he could consistently stay healthy, but he has been unable to do that. I'm sure Motte is one of the better 4th liners in the league when he actually plays (fast, decently physical, can PK, and paces for 25-35 points), but he seems to consistently miss around 1/3 of the season to injury. No one really wants to pay to have a guy sit on IR.

[Gawdzukes]

On 9/9/2023 at 12:24 PM, Coconuts said:

Good fit for him tbh

 

Yup, another guy that will probably thrive in TB's system.

[Gnarcore]

On 9/9/2023 at 5:44 PM, guntrix said:

The Lightning signing Motte for that much (instead of overpaying for a bottom-six motor player) is why they’re a dynasty and we’re not.

Ya..drafting Stamkos, Hedman and Kucherov had nothing to do with it.....

[EddieVedder]

On 9/9/2023 at 11:59 AM, Jester13 said:

Joshua, PDG, Aman, Podkolzin, Hogs, Pearson all bring more to the table than Motte, imo.

Agreed.

I was getting tired of seeing motte get ragdolled every shift. 

[PhillipBlunt]

On 9/9/2023 at 11:31 PM, guntrix said:

Maybe by a few hundred thousand but we definitely overrated him here. Led by the conveniently-absent OldNews. 

Conveniently absent so that you can talk about him. 

[guntrix]

3 hours ago, Gnarcore said:

Ya..drafting Stamkos, Hedman and Kucherov had nothing to do with it.....

I was obviously referring to the Lightning’s ability to responsibly manage their cap. Give good players to inept cap management and you get Toronto 2.0.