GoldenAlien Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 The Hockey News released its Future Watch top 100 prospects list and the Canucks have four: #2 Quinn Hughes #35 Thatcher Demko #66 Olli Juolevi #70 Tyler Madden Full list here, though it’s subscription only: https://thehockeynews.com/all-access/article/future-watch-top-100-prospects Biech had his own write up: https://www.nhl.com/canucks/news/vancouver-canucks-the-hockey-news/c-306699334 Hughes is only behind Makar, who’s at #1. Unfortunately Juolevi dropped 45 spots (#21 last year) because of his knee injury. Demko rose 3 spots and is the third ranked goalie behind Luukonen (#21) and Samsonov (#29). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 This is old and has already been posted on this site. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 It's great that we still have high quality prospects even though Petey and Boeser have 'graduated' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Woo must be close to being on this list. We should add another one or 2 this draft. We still have a very full prospect funnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted April 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, Baer. said: This is old and has already been posted on this site. So? I am old and often post on this site! 1 4 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) I'm happy to see Canucks' assets on the list, but somewhat concerned that several guys aren't on the list. One might have hoped there would be a couple other guys mentioned (Lind, Gajo, DiP, ect....). Of course there's still a LOT of time for these unmentioned guys to develop further. Recently there was an article placing Canucks prospect pool in the top 3 in the entire NHL: https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nhl/news/nhl-top-prospects-best-worst-farm-system-draft-history-sabres-flyers-canucks-penguins/1bho4124nwrog1xk1q95ibejgj But if you look at that exact list of players and take out the ones that don't qualify as 'prospects' anymore, our franchise is nowhere near as deep as some people think it is. EP and Gaudette don't qualify as a prospect anymore (according to their criteria) and Dahlen is gone. Furthermore, QH43 and Demko won't qualify soon either (no more than 25games played in the NHL) so there goes 5 of the top 6 guys off the list with only OJ left as a 'prospect' according to their article. Yes, I know other teams have players graduate off their prospect pool to the NHL also - all I'm saying is that there is still a lot of work for JB and his staff to do yet, and I believe they understand that - do some of us though? Edited April 16, 2019 by Fanuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NucksPatsFan Posted April 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Fanuck said: I'm happy to see Canucks' assets on the list, but somewhat concerned that several guys aren't on the list. One might have hoped there would be a couple other guys mentioned (Lind, Gajo, DiP, ect....). Of course there's still a LOT of time for these unmentioned guys to develop further. Recently there was an article placing Canucks prospect pool in the top 3 in the entire NHL: https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nhl/news/nhl-top-prospects-best-worst-farm-system-draft-history-sabres-flyers-canucks-penguins/1bho4124nwrog1xk1q95ibejgj But if you look at that exact list of players and take out the ones that don't qualify as 'prospects' anymore, our franchise is nowhere near as deep as some people think it is. EP and Gaudette don't qualify as a prospect anymore (according to their criteria) and Dahlen is gone. Furthermore, QH43 and Demko won't qualify soon either (no more than 25games played in the NHL) so there goes 5 of the top 6 guys off the list with only OJ left as a 'prospect' according to their article. Yes, I know other teams have players graduate off their prospect pool to the NHL also - all I'm saying is that there is still a lot of work for JB and his staff to do yet, and I believe they understand that - do some of us though? Before we used to complain that our draft picks never made it to the big club. Now we complain that too many of our draft picks are making the jump to the big club. And who says Canadian markets are a hard place to play/coach/manage in? 1 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 31 minutes ago, Fanuck said: I'm happy to see Canucks' assets on the list, but somewhat concerned that several guys aren't on the list. One might have hoped there would be a couple other guys mentioned (Lind, Gajo, DiP, ect....). Of course there's still a LOT of time for these unmentioned guys to develop further. Recently there was an article placing Canucks prospect pool in the top 3 in the entire NHL: https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nhl/news/nhl-top-prospects-best-worst-farm-system-draft-history-sabres-flyers-canucks-penguins/1bho4124nwrog1xk1q95ibejgj But if you look at that exact list of players and take out the ones that don't qualify as 'prospects' anymore, our franchise is nowhere near as deep as some people think it is. EP and Gaudette don't qualify as a prospect anymore (according to their criteria) and Dahlen is gone. Furthermore, QH43 and Demko won't qualify soon either (no more than 25games played in the NHL) so there goes 5 of the top 6 guys off the list with only OJ left as a 'prospect' according to their article. Yes, I know other teams have players graduate off their prospect pool to the NHL also - all I'm saying is that there is still a lot of work for JB and his staff to do yet, and I believe they understand that - do some of us though? Woo Lockwood DiPietro McEneny McEwen All looks like potential players. THN never delves deeper than the flash and sizzle unless a later pick has made some serious noise, won a championship or award. There is still a lot of work to do. 2 or 3 solid drafts with 1-3 sure fire players or even guaranteed depth is precisely what this team needs Finally see the direction we're heading though and it looks good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 I mean if you look at our top 10 prospects that have played 10 NHL games or less its still pretty damn good. Next time there are draft rankings other players may be stepping up. Like Lind, Madden, DiPietro, Woo and Rathbone. Player Potential Hughes Top pair Demko #1 goalie Juolevi Top 4 defensemen Woo Top 4 defensemen MacEwen Middle 6 winger Madden Middle 6 centre Rathbone Top 4 defensemen DiPietro #1 goalie Lind Middle 6 winger Jasek Middle 6 winger Other good prospects Gadjovich Middle 6 winger Karlsson Middle 6 centre Lockwood Middle 6 winger Brisebois Bottom 3 defensemen Utunen Bottom pair defensemen Teves Rafferty Chatfield Palmu Kielly Thiessen So we are missing some elite talent, but elite talent is expensive and solid middle six wingers are desperately needed for any team. Going forward the Canucks need another top RD prospect and an elite top 6 winger for Horvat. Soon Pettersson will have the Crosby effect making his line mates better, a Gadj, Virtanen could really excel in that role in the future. RD options -Draft, Soderstrom or Seider -Free agent signing, Kaski or Priskie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Fanuck said: I'm happy to see Canucks' assets on the list, but somewhat concerned that several guys aren't on the list. One might have hoped there would be a couple other guys mentioned (Lind, Gajo, DiP, ect....). Of course there's still a LOT of time for these unmentioned guys to develop further. Recently there was an article placing Canucks prospect pool in the top 3 in the entire NHL: https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nhl/news/nhl-top-prospects-best-worst-farm-system-draft-history-sabres-flyers-canucks-penguins/1bho4124nwrog1xk1q95ibejgj But if you look at that exact list of players and take out the ones that don't qualify as 'prospects' anymore, our franchise is nowhere near as deep as some people think it is. EP and Gaudette don't qualify as a prospect anymore (according to their criteria) and Dahlen is gone. Furthermore, QH43 and Demko won't qualify soon either (no more than 25games played in the NHL) so there goes 5 of the top 6 guys off the list with only OJ left as a 'prospect' according to their article. Yes, I know other teams have players graduate off their prospect pool to the NHL also - all I'm saying is that there is still a lot of work for JB and his staff to do yet, and I believe they understand that - do some of us though? using these criteria makes evaluating "prospect pools" arbitrary and pointless. if a team's "prospect pool" is considered worse because players are good enough to graduate, or because the nhl roster is weak enough that it forces under-ripe kids into the lineup, that seems silly. it's far more sensible to evaluate "players under 23" or something similar than it is to evaluate players not currently on the nhl roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, tas said: it's far more sensible to evaluate "players under 23" or something similar than it is to evaluate players not currently on the nhl roster. This was the criteria used: Quote In the following rankings, the zone of consideration for all 310 prospects is Calder Trophy (NHL rookie of the year) eligibility - between 18-26 years old and no more than 25 combined NHL regular season games played. Teams with multiple prospects who possess superior talent (i.e. star potential) received favorable grades, as did teams with a significant amount of post-draft prospects with impressive numbers (regardless of sample size) against adult-age competition in either the National Hockey League or the American Hockey League. The reason is simple: It's a lot easier to light up a junior hockey league than to do the same against men in the NHL or AHL. From what I can tell from the players on the various teams' lists, they evaluated ANY player drafted by any NHL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 On 4/16/2019 at 9:59 AM, NucksPatsFan said: Before we used to complain that our draft picks never made it to the big club. Now we complain that too many of our draft picks are making the jump to the big club. And who says Canadian markets are a hard place to play/coach/manage in? The horror...basically all of out top picks and even a few depth ones have already translated to the NHL... And people act like we aren't going to continue to draft moving forward. We're bound to have a few more 10-20 picks (including one this June) moving forward. Not to mention the additional 2nd's, 3rd's etc. We're also finally getting to the point where Benning actually has sale-able assets to move for additional picks (or prospects). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 On 4/17/2019 at 10:06 AM, aGENT said: And people act like we aren't going to continue to draft moving forward. Sell off everything for picks and tank, or win cup. Either or, no in-between. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 One more year we need another pick for the first round. 8 to 14 range time to make a splash our draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, vannuck59 said: One more year we need another pick for the first round. 8 to 14 range time to make a splash our draft This is likely the last time JB gets to draft in the top ten for a long time so he best hit a home run. If as is suggested the maturity of our best prospects comes into effect we may end up in the worse situation any team could be, mediocrity, middle of the pack. Certainly, Vcr needs likely a couple more high-end talented players to go beyond mediocrity and 2019 is that moment when it either withers or pushes ahead IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Seems like jet woo, who is one of the best from the dub gets shafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 4 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: Seems like jet woo, who is one of the best from the dub gets shafted. Oh well, he can rub it in their faces by becoming a top 4 Dman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 On 4/17/2019 at 10:06 AM, aGENT said: The horror...basically all of out top picks and even a few depth ones have already translated to the NHL... And people act like we aren't going to continue to draft moving forward. We're bound to have a few more 10-20 picks (including one this June) moving forward. Not to mention the additional 2nd's, 3rd's etc. We're also finally getting to the point where Benning actually has sale-able assets to move for additional picks (or prospects). additionally, JB is getting to the point where he has liquidated most of the older players with NTC/NMC and has the depth to start replacing aging players with younger players........we'll likely see him move more older players for picks in the coming years.........it's like setting up a perpetual harvest! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Where my boy Woo at? Smh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 On 4/16/2019 at 9:51 AM, Fanuck said: I'm happy to see Canucks' assets on the list, but somewhat concerned that several guys aren't on the list. One might have hoped there would be a couple other guys mentioned (Lind, Gajo, DiP, ect....). Of course there's still a LOT of time for these unmentioned guys to develop further. Recently there was an article placing Canucks prospect pool in the top 3 in the entire NHL: https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nhl/news/nhl-top-prospects-best-worst-farm-system-draft-history-sabres-flyers-canucks-penguins/1bho4124nwrog1xk1q95ibejgj But if you look at that exact list of players and take out the ones that don't qualify as 'prospects' anymore, our franchise is nowhere near as deep as some people think it is. EP and Gaudette don't qualify as a prospect anymore (according to their criteria) and Dahlen is gone. Furthermore, QH43 and Demko won't qualify soon either (no more than 25games played in the NHL) so there goes 5 of the top 6 guys off the list with only OJ left as a 'prospect' according to their article. Yes, I know other teams have players graduate off their prospect pool to the NHL also - all I'm saying is that there is still a lot of work for JB and his staff to do yet, and I believe they understand that - do some of us though? 31 teams in the league so on average every team should have 3 prospects ranked 15th, 46th, and 77th. We are way above average, but I do agree that JB has a lot of work to do. We need to have one prospect enter that list from this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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