grandmaster Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Marner has lead the Leaf's in scoring 2 years running. So he is right. The thing is, who is going to pay Marner more than Matthews? What leverage does he have other than holding out? The crap's going to hit the fan for Dubas soon enough Definitely going to be a hold out. Like we both discussed no one will offer sheet him that 11 or 12M. We will see Nylander version 2.0 on this one. Mid season signing for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, grandmaster said: Definitely going to be a hold out. Like we both discussed no one will offer sheet him that 11 or 12M. We will see Nylander version 2.0 on this one. Mid season signing for sure. Probably, or double down and move Nylander . Then there's next year and they won't be able to afford Barrie regardless. Dubas has been greedy and he's going to have to pay the piper. Isn't Leafland fun? Edited July 13, 2019 by Crabcakes 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Columbus could use a Sutter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losing With Pride Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Crabcakes said: Interesting.....so Marner would entertain an offer sheet only as a tool to get a contract done with the Leafs My personal thought is that anybody who offer sheets a top player and forgo's 4 x 1st round picks is a fool. I would't even do that for McDavid. Just for fun here. Let’s use Boston as a guinea pig. Last 7 first round picks. Beecher Vaakanainen McAvoy Frederic For McDavid? What about the next 3? Zboril Debrusk Senyshyn Pastrnak is the next one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogpodz91 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 IMHO if I was Marner I would be asking for Mathews money no question. Leading in points. Was their best player the last playoffs.. just because he’s a winger doesn’t mean he has less of an impact on the game. Just because you can win a face off doesn’t mean your more valuable then the better player beside you.. am I right or am I right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losing With Pride Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Crabcakes said: Interesting.....so Marner would entertain an offer sheet only as a tool to get a contract done with the Leafs My personal thought is that anybody who offer sheets a top player and forgo's 4 x 1st round picks is a fool. I would't even do that for McDavid. Washington is even worse. McMichael Alexeyev Johansen Samsonov For McDavid? Yup. Vrana Burakovsky Forsberg Wilson for McDavid? Hmmmm. Edited July 13, 2019 by Losing With Pride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 6 hours ago, Warhippy said: Have you ever been to Columbus? It might actually be in the top 3 places to not live in the NHL with Calgary/Edmonton and Winnipeg Columbus is actually a really nice city 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 there was a topic on this, and someone on reddit, claims that he is somewhat close to the Marner family and Mitch does not give a crap about the hometown discount b.s. He intends to sign for as much as whoever can pay him and is willing to sign the offer sheet wherever it is, even if its Columbus, with the intentions of moving teams if Toronto doesn't match. kinda makes us appreciate the players in the past taking pay cuts to stay in Vancouver. Bo Horvat too. Toronto really f ed themselves over with the Tavares over payment and the Matthews McDavid like contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 55 minutes ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: there was a topic on this, and someone on reddit, claims that he is somewhat close to the Marner family and Mitch does not give a crap about the hometown discount b.s. He intends to sign for as much as whoever can pay him and is willing to sign the offer sheet wherever it is, even if its Columbus, with the intentions of moving teams if Toronto doesn't match. kinda makes us appreciate the players in the past taking pay cuts to stay in Vancouver. Bo Horvat too. Toronto really f ed themselves over with the Tavares over payment and the Matthews McDavid like contracts. I think Marner figured everyone was going to take discounts, then Willy got paid and so did Mathews so why should Marner be the only guy to take a discount? the reason it worked in van before is cause the top players wanted to win and we had a GM that knew what he was doing( when it came to contracts).... once again the Oilers have xxxxed the whole league when they gave Mcdavid that contract now all young stars want that money..... thats good to hear that Marner is willing to sign maybe the islanders will surprise everyone or the blue jackets I just hope for someone to do it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 8 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Columbus is actually a really nice city Columbus is awesome. Really nice place, clean, safe, good restaurants, big enough to have entertainment but not too big where it has horrible congestion. Some nice architecture as well. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 4 hours ago, RowdyCanuck said: I think Marner figured everyone was going to take discounts, then Willy got paid and so did Mathews so why should Marner be the only guy to take a discount? the reason it worked in van before is cause the top players wanted to win and we had a GM that knew what he was doing( when it came to contracts).... once again the Oilers have xxxxed the whole league when they gave Mcdavid that contract now all young stars want that money..... thats good to hear that Marner is willing to sign maybe the islanders will surprise everyone or the blue jackets I just hope for someone to do it. The only guy I can think that took a hometown discount was Hammer. Everyone else was paid in relation to the Sedins. Which makes sense. They were our best players and they set the bar. I think most of those contracts only effect internal cap structures. Does Marner ask for 11-12 mil if Matthews is making 10? Does Nylander ask for 7 in that case? Boeser's contract will hopefully be structured around what Bo is making. I'd argue that overall Boeser is not better than Bo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Columbus can only offer one offer sheet, the one with 4 first round picks, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 12 hours ago, grandmaster said: He can’t though. No other team will pay him that extra mill AND give up 4 firsts. That would be the most stupid thing ever. Marner has to accept that. I guess they can always cave in mid season like they did with Nylander and then hope that the cap goes up at the end of next year. Without Marner the Leaf’s will struggle. He’s their best player. I’m hoping for a big dollar offer sheet, and the Loser Leafs let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 19 hours ago, Xbox said: CBJ barely made the playoffs and lost a lot of pieces. All Marner would do is replace Panarin. Four 1st's when you may not make the playoffs is such a steep price. Imagine Boeser, Juolevi, Pettersson and Hughes all gone as compensation to another team on top of their own 1st round selections. You're setting up another franchise for success at that point. They wouldnt be early firsts most likely. With Marner they wouldnt be a bottom team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Ghost Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) Giving up 4 1st rounders is a big potential cost to any team. Plus the cap crunch that they will inevitably face if they get Marner at 11 mil or whatever. Toronto is win now though, so future picks only help them as trade bait. Could Toronto take those 1sts and replace what Marner brings? Maybe, maybe not. Could they trade Marner for a better immediate return? Again, perhaps they could. Letting Marner go after making such a big deal about him being the hometown hero, etc. will be hard for even the leafs homer sports commentators to smooth over PR wise. Edited July 13, 2019 by Silver Ghost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I simply want to see Marner sign an offer sheet where the Leafs don't match to see how badly the Toronto media spin it as the right move for the Leafs. Would be entertaining lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Ghost Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 7 hours ago, HKSR said: I simply want to see Marner sign an offer sheet where the Leafs don't match to see how badly the Toronto media spin it as the right move for the Leafs. Would be entertaining lol. They would start saying how overrated Marner is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 20 hours ago, Losing With Pride said: Just for fun here. Let’s use Boston as a guinea pig. Last 7 first round picks. Beecher Vaakanainen McAvoy Frederic For McDavid? What about the next 3? Zboril Debrusk Senyshyn Pastrnak is the next one. As well as they've 'retooled' and kept themselves competitive, that 2015 draft probably spared us all the putrid sight of ratface lifting the Cup again. Not just hindsighting here - literally could not believe the way they spent those three picks (13, 14, 15). What an absolutely great draft in which to have three mid to high round picks in succession. But not if you do what they did with them (no disrespect to DeBrusk, who I like, but he's not enough out of those three picks).... 16. Matthew Barzal 17. Kyle Connor 18. Thomas Chabot. thank the hockey gods the Bruins were off their game there. And the rest is history muahahaha.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, oldnews said: As well as they've 'retooled' and kept themselves competitive, that 2015 draft probably spared us all the putrid sight of ratface lifting the Cup again. Not just hindsighting here - literally could not believe the way they spent those three picks (13, 14, 15). What an absolutely great draft in which to have three mid to high round picks in succession. But not if you do what they did with them (no disrespect to DeBrusk, who I like, but he's not enough out of those three picks).... 16. Matthew Barzal 17. Kyle Connor 18. Thomas Chabot. thank the hockey gods the Bruins were off their game there. And the rest is history muahahaha.... I know this would never happen but could you imagine if Boston offer sheeted Marner and he signed.......Leaf fans would lose their minds ha music to my ears ha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 20 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: there was a topic on this, and someone on reddit, claims that he is somewhat close to the Marner family and Mitch does not give a crap about the hometown discount b.s. He intends to sign for as much as whoever can pay him and is willing to sign the offer sheet wherever it is, even if its Columbus, with the intentions of moving teams if Toronto doesn't match. kinda makes us appreciate the players in the past taking pay cuts to stay in Vancouver. Bo Horvat too. Toronto really f ed themselves over with the Tavares over payment and the Matthews McDavid like contracts. I don't feel sorry for them one ounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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