[Rumour] Phaneuf, Kadri and 8th overall to Panthers for Jovanovski and 1st overall

[peaches5]

Toronto wins trade badly. them getting rid of Kadri and Phaneuf in hopes in hopes of properly using the cap room is already a plus for the Leafs. They win badly. Kadri is even more useless to the Panthers because their top 2 spots are occupied right now. Highly unlikely Tallon will make such a retarded more.

That's what I'm saying the reason why Florida is potentially trading this pick is because they already are deep at centre and defense so why would they trade for defensemen that is terribly overpaid and a centre that has shown he has a bad work ethic.

There is no way that Florida takes this it would be a huge win by Toronto.

[Hugor Hill]

Yes. FL would be stupid to go for this.

[He-Lord]

So, does Phaneuf not have an NTC? If he does, why would he waive to go to Florida?

[He-Lord]

This is the canucks board. Kessel is consistently a top scorer in the league but he sucks and we wouldn't trade Higgins for him lol

This may be a Canucks board, but there is more than enough laffs apologists on here. Kessel may be a star player, but he is not a franchise one. Your team is in trouble if you have guys like him and Phaneuf as your leaders. As we've seen for the last several years. Kessel is a guy who compliments a contending team, not carries them all by himself. So quit overrating him.

[6string]

Ridiculous rumor, Tallon has a great young club with sizzling speed and toughness, in fact i expect them to climb up the standings next year from the bottom rung to the eight through eleven position in the standings, they have great young talent!

phaneuf's game with that salary makes no sense even if toronot absorbs a portion of it, they don't need kadri-they have better or equal talent already on the forward lines, he's not mentally or physically abrasive enough to fit their model.

they need some vets for sure so jovo is just fine there, they added luongo and now need a couple journeymen or pluggers for stability to nurture their growth.

if they deal it will be for a sure fire starter who can produce and lead, they will not be like the oilers junior A brand of hockey.

[UFCanuck]

Nonis is admitting he's an idiot for the phaneuf deal.

[Darkstar]

where do you get off thinking 6th pick is garbage... and tanev isn't garbage either...

It's a garbage offer. Tanev and the 6th overall pick aren't garbage but that isn't getting the first overall pick.

There will be way better offers out there.

[DeNiro]

It's a garbage offer. Tanev and the 6th overall pick aren't garbage but that isn't getting the first overall pick.

There will be way better offers out there.

The point of them trading down is because Tallon wants Ehlers.

He will only be available with so many picks.

Therefore the 6th pick has alot of value to Florida.

[Noseforthenet]

I heard somewhere about a scout adamant that Sam Reinhart is definitely better than Nuge. And if that's so, we should try our best to get up to the top 3.

[Me_]

That is actually a decent trade for both sides. Toronto gets a young stud and gets rid of the Phaneuf contract... and Florida gets some immediate help on the blue line and another decent young forward.

Jovo is just a salary dump the other way.

I bet Toronto eats a little retained salary for Phaneuf though.

Jovo is just salary dump?

Jovo is jovoCOP; a mentor in for Reilly and Ekblad. Genius really...

[nuckster33]

 

So they lose one overpaid d man and go out and overpay for another?

They're already going to lose Bolland, as they don't want to pay him 5 mil+, so Kadri is their no2 centre. Trade Kadri, who's going to be their second line pivot? Holland isn't good enough

Phaneuf is a solid no2 on almost every team in the league. Ekblad might be as good, might be better , but it would take at least 3-5 years and he might even bust who knows. Adding Kadri and the 8th overall just to move up 7 spots is ludicrous and Dave Nonis should be canned for even thinking about it lol.

completely agree w what you said but maybe they'll just outbid for Stastny, Kessel gets his real center finally too

Bozak drops to#2 where he really belongs

just thinking

[SamJamIam]

I heard somewhere about a scout adamant that Sam Reinhart is definitely better than Nuge. And if that's so, we should try our best to get up to the top 3.

I've heard the same. I don't doubt it for a second though. Nuge has a lot of flaws to his game.

[The Bookie]

It’s funny to see all comments on both sides. “Terrible deal for the leafs”, “Makes no sense for Florida”.

It actually makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Dion has a monster contract kicking in and has already been rumours to be moving. Leafs need to move one of their big contracts and Clarkson is likely unmovable after last season. Leafs just saved themselves 7 million a year. They can spend that on another UFA.

Kadri is a good player but likely will be asking for a raise as soon as his contract runs out. Will he be worth the 5 million + he will ask for.

Florida gets a top four D, with leadership qualities and they still get a top 10 pick. Even though Dion has a big contract he helps them hit the cap floor. Kadri and Dion bring in immediate help next season to help the team make a push next year to try and win their fan base back. Jovo would go back the other way for salary reason. He was talked about being a buy out this summer anyways.

It has also been mentioned that Tallon likes Ehlers a lot. A player who should be still around at pick 8.

Toronto gets a future top pairing D or 1^st line center.

Florida gets immediate help and the pick they want.

Almost seems like a win/ win for both teams. TO might over pay Florida does do them a favour an get them out of that massive Dion contract.

Agreed fully, well thought out post.

And it's actually a win-win-win trade. The third win is for Absent Canuck, who only has to wait ~10 years before Florida trades Ehlers to Vancouver.

[Merci]

Donno how Florida passes on that.

[ForsbergTheGreat]

Ridiculous rumor, Tallon has a great young club with sizzling speed and toughness, in fact i expect them to climb up the standings next year from the bottom rung to the eight through eleven position in the standings, they have great young talent!

phaneuf's game with that salary makes no sense even if toronot absorbs a portion of it, they don't need kadri-they have better or equal talent already on the forward lines, he's not mentally or physically abrasive enough to fit their model.

they need some vets for sure so jovo is just fine there, they added luongo and now need a couple journeymen or pluggers for stability to nurture their growth.

if they deal it will be for a sure fire starter who can produce and lead, they will not be like the oilers junior A brand of hockey.

Florida has some big needs. There not nearly as set as you think.

A top 4 D is one of them. Campbell, Kulikov, Gudbranson is all they have in their top 4. Jovo was healthy scratch numerous amounts of times last year and was the talk for a potential buy out. He's a waste of money to them.

Another need it to hit the cap floor every year. Next year the cap floor is rumoured to be around 50 million, they have a long ways to go to hit that. Dion may be over paid but he’s still a decent top 4 Dman (maybe not a top 2). It wasn’t that long ago when he was putting up 60 points in one season in Calgary. 7 million is an overpayment but not completely outrageous.

Finally Florida needs to win NOW. They are losing for money. They are constantly asking their county for more money. They just laid off 30 sales staff because they can’t afford them. Fans don’t care about the hockey team unless they are winning. Winning puts seats in the stands.

So does this trade help make the panthers a better team next year? YES, in fact it does.

Does it save them a potential buyout on Jovo? Yes it does.

Can Kadri play wing or relieve some of the pressure they had with both of their 1 and 2 centers being NHL rookies last season? Yes he can.

Does Florida still get a top 10 pick where they can still pick up good young prospect? Yes they can.

Can they really get more for trading their 1^st overall this year, that helps them win now? Likely not.

As for Toronto, they alleviate a lot of cap and future cap, They can now afford to go out and sign a UFA to replace the loss of Dion and Kadri. Boyle? Statsny? Cammalleri? Moulson? And others are all available and could easily replace what they lost . They get the first overall draft pick where they can pick up a top D or top center (something they’ve needed since Sundin).

I don’t see how people can argue that one teams gets robbed over the other.

[Xbox]

Garrison and the 6th would do it for moving up 5 spots in this kind of draft. The difference between 1 and 6 in this particular case isnt that much.

Ya no it wouldnt. And there's a big difference. Even for #2 theres a big difference. Reinhart and Ekblad >>> everyone else.

[guntrix]

Well I suppose this means we'll be picking 6th overall. No chance Vancouver can match nor get the 2nd overall without overpaying. Let's just hope Toronto goes off the board and have a top 5 player drop to us.

lol Toronto is not going to trade for the 1st overall to go off the board. That makes no sense.

[Ghostsof1915]

The only way I see this working, is Tallon is going to flip Kadri or another centre for another player. Then it starts to make sense.

[iinatcc]

A lot of people are saying the trade is one sides for the Leafs others say it's one sided for the Panthers.

I guess with such a divided group it does show that this could be a trade that benefits both parties.

Toronto

+ Get's rid of Dion's Contract. Free's up cap space

+ Gets a 1st round pick that could already help them next season

- Lose Kadri but if they pick a center as #1 he will be replaced.

- Less depth on D

- Loss of Leadership

Florida

+ Get's Kadri and Phaneuf who can help them now. Which is important since Luongo is meant to help the team now

+ Still gets the 8th overall and a player that can possible help them in 2 to 3 years times

- Lose the coveted 1st overall

- Dion's contract but the issue is more longterm

[TOMapleLaughs]

I know TO would be excited about the prospect of ditching Dion, and the guy might be overrated and overpaid, but he still eats up a ton of minutes, and Ekblad's ceiling may actually be similar to his.

TO's weaknesses, a lack of solid veteran defensemen and the lack of a top center, are being weakened further immediately. Fine for a team that's rebuilding, but TO needs to win soon with their veteran forward group. I guess it depends on how good Ekblad becomes, but even Doughty needs assistance from shutdown-capable veteran partners.

I think Florida has a better chance of winning than TO does anytime soon, regardless of this trade happening or not. Another Bettman pet project.