Down by the River Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Phil Kessel getting worked over by Hitchcock would be phenomenal. Those two would not get along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsedin33 Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Rule number 1 of trading: Never trade for anyone that came from TO. Unless it's Sundin, that guy is cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 If the leafs is willing to eat some of his cap hit. I don't see why we shouldn't try to make an offer. Hmmmm.....why don't we? Well...even WITH salary retention, he's right now an $8 million per year cap player. He's lazy, doesn't back check and is on the books I think for like 6 or 7 more years at that cap hit. His salary for a few years will be $10 million On the other hand, Alex Semin is a $7 million per year player. He is also lazy and doesn't back check but also has a contract expiring in 2 years. But...he also plays on a team looking for relief with the 5th overall pick If we're going for a lazy sniper with no other redeemable qualities...I think I know where I am placing my suggestion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 They should trade him to Philly for Pronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 I would be interested to see what his trade value is. He is a good offensive player, but someone you can't build a team around, and he is making 8 million per year. I would put it at a lesser player who is making 3-5 million, plus a 1st round pick. Potential partners: Buffalo - Bad fit. Not the kind of player they should have in their re-build. Potential player return: Moulson, Ennis, plus pick Calgary - Mediocre fit. Calgary has the cap space, the supporting cast, and character/grit. That said I don't think he is a good fit. Potential return: not sure Chicago - Mediocre fit. Why he would be a pretty good fit on the ice, his contract would hamper them. Potential return: Hjarlmarrson + Bickell/Versteeg Colorado - decent fit. Colorado has a decent crop of players, Kessel wouldn't really need to "lead the team" with character guys like Landeskog and Duchene. O'Reilly for Kessler would make sense for both teams if O'Reilly doesn't want to stay long-term in Colorado. Colorado was pretty bad offensively last year too. I can kind of imagine O'Reilly being "the guy" in Toronto. Potential return: Ryan O'Reilly. Detroit - potentially good fit. If Toronto is in a re-build mode, they could probably pry a good prospect/picks from Detroit if they take Weiss back. Potential return: Weiss + top picks/prospectFlorida - Decent fit. Again, Kessel isn't a player you build a team around but he would give the offense a good shot in the arm. Cap wise the Panthers are good, but they are a very low budget team and Kessel is expensive. Bolland would have to go the other way. Nashville - Good fit. Nashville has the cap space, and don't have any expensive forwards. Competitive, and odd players like Riberio seem to do well there. Fairly low pressure environment too, yet a good fan base to play in front of. Potential return: I don't know what they would send back. Perhaps Nystrom/Stalberg, Wilson and a pick? St. Louis - Decent fit. Stastny going the other way makes sense. Potential return: Paul Stastny + conditional pick. I actually watched a solid Leafs Lunch about these three teams. The end consensus is that there is no point trading for an established player. The Leafs are signalling a full tear down and rebuild. Moving Kessel for O'Reilly/Weber etc is pointless. It needs to be picks or players under 23 to work with their timeline. Their thought was that futures need to be had. Not stop gaps without any guarantee of signing Some of those make sense no question though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Kessel eh.... hmmm.... interested to whom would have significant interest there. He's got a friggin monster contract. I know he scores goals, but the guy has been a liability and has pulled a no show when times get tough. I was thinking something like: To Car: Kessel 24th OA +? To Tor: Skinner 5th OA +? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Kessel eh.... hmmm.... interested to whom would have significant interest there. He's got a friggin monster contract. I know he scores goals, but the guy has been a liability and has pulled a no show when times get tough. I was thinking something like: To Car: Kessel 24th OA +? To Tor: Skinner 5th OA +? Add Kadri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdatb Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 I hope we can pick him up. Great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 I actually watched a solid Leafs Lunch about these three teams. The end consensus is that there is no point trading for an established player. The Leafs are signalling a full tear down and rebuild. Moving Kessel for O'Reilly/Weber etc is pointless. It needs to be picks or players under 23 to work with their timeline. Their thought was that futures need to be had. Not stop gaps without any guarantee of signing Some of those make sense no question though Good feedback, thanks Warhippy. Nashville probably makes the most sense. If Kessel's contract was 6 million and not front loaded he would be so much easier to move. 10 million is a huge amount of salary to pay for some of these lower budget teams, especially considering he is not worth it. If I were Florida, throwing 6.5 million for 2 years at Riberio is probably more attractive than paying Kessel 10, 9, 9 over the next three years, plus having to send off valuable young assets. Don't get me wrong, Kessel is a step up from Riberio but he isn't worth BOTH the extra salary and assets to a poor team IMO. That said, Toronto is a rich team and if they retained half Kessel's salary his return would be great from Nashville, Colorado or Florida (can even throw NYI into that mix). I am actually looking forward to seeing how this all plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOgRook Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Let's trade for Kessel! And for the love of God, Sanguinetti and Subban NEED to be on the team next year. Baertschi's a bust, not even 2 PPG in the AHL. And why didn't we sign Panarin and all the other good free agents instead of scrubs like Sautner?!!?!111?! /desiboy If I was drinking coffee I woulda spit it out lol I was thinking by the second sentence...wtf?!? Does Desi have an alt account..Then the ending lol well played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 It would be silly for florida to move a bunch of their assets that they have spent years sucking for they finally are out of the basement. What they really need is time and a young goalie to take over for Luongo in 3 yrs. Kessel trade for them would actually set them back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Pretty bad that I can't think of any team that would benefit from acquiring Kessel. Not unless Leafs retain some of his cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.53 Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 That contract is just too big of a risk for any team to take. He shows so many red flags and has such a poor reputation. Yes, if you can somehow reach him, and get him to play a full rounded out game AND find him two players that can play with him, it would be a steal of a trade. If not, you're stuck. No way, too many other options available including just fielding youth. I don't see a big return coming back to Toronto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Nashville seems like a good fit. To: TO James Neal 3rd rounder To: Nash Fat Phil Kessel and his fat salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 I guess it really just depends on want Toronto wants and if they'd be willing to retain cap to get me interested. It would be silly for florida to move a bunch of their assets that they have spent years sucking for they finally are out of the basement. What they really need is time and a young goalie to take over for Luongo in 3 yrs. Kessel trade for them would actually set them back The irony of this is that Florida traded that 'young goalie to take over Luongo' to us for Lu himself. I could see them going after one of Ottawa's young goalies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Kessel and Phaneuf at full contract hit don't get you much return as they are overpaid for what they bring. Retain $2 million for each of their contracts (no big deal for Toronto who should have several players on ELCs countering that for the next few years)... and suddenly you can get a high 1st round and a solid prospect for each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 And they are trying to trade someone when they don't even have a gm? Wait is that even allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 I will PUNCH the first person that suggests we trade for kessel! There have been quite a few suggestions already in the proposals section, ever since the Leafs announced they'd approved a full-scale rebuild and Phaneuf and Kessel weren't in the plans. Do you need someone to go back to see who gets that punch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 You can't blame the whole situation in Toronto simply on Kessel, especially since it seems the entire team seems to be suffering. In a weird way, you could say he managed to produce in spite of negative circumstances. I'd bet a fresh start in a lower-pressure market and he'd do fine. He's obviously no fit for the Canucks, but at 27 and a proven scorer he isn't unmovable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Horvat and our next two 1st rounders for Kessel at half his salary retained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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