ItTakesAnArmy Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 hours ago, gurn said: dude, you asked for one other gm and people gave you two, now you want to change the goalposts. And you think you have proved something? Have you? One was a multiple of GM's and management The only single GM is Garth and he has been fired, I did not change the goal posts at all, but you are trying very very hard to do just that. You agree that Garth (fired for a bad job) was bad but then champion Benning as great, who got caught out? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 moving goal posts: ok look at this how about: 1. 2015 Draft, one of the deepest 1st rounds in the last 2 decades 1 GM in 1 Draft - Sweeney-BOS - 1st round pick 13- Jakub Zboril pick 14-Jake Debrusk pick 15- Zach Shenyshen LOL the next 3 picks were ALL STARS - Barzal -Kyle Connor -Chabot talk about total incompetence 2. 1 organization EDM 2009- 10th overal - Magnuss Paajarvi Svenson 2012 - 1st overall - Nial Yakupov 2016- 4th overall - Jesse Puljujarvi lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Duodenum said: I tend to agree with the poster. Juolevi is skating in quicksand right now. His turning, especially, is below average at best. No surprise with tearing his ACL, but his skating needs to improve leaps and bounds before he's even ready for an NHL call-up. Well he missed alot of time and needs reps, that's why he is in Utica atm. Nothing beats playing games. I don't expect him to be up to speed until the mid point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 For everyone worried about OJ, look at Lind. Had injuries and took a long time to recover, but by the end of the season looked good. Now consider OJ was doing well in his first 18 games last year, then shelved. If he can remain healthy, his second half should be much better than his first half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Bang Boogie Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Canucks Curse said: moving goal posts: ok look at this how about: 1. 2015 Draft, one of the deepest 1st rounds in the last 2 decades 1 GM in 1 Draft - Sweeney-BOS - 1st round pick 13- Jakub Zboril pick 14-Jake Debrusk pick 15- Zach Shenyshen LOL the next 3 picks were ALL STARS - Barzal -Kyle Connor -Chabot talk about total incompetence 2. 1 organization EDM 2009- 10th overal - Magnuss Paajarvi Svenson 2012 - 1st overall - Nial Yakupov 2016- 4th overall - Jesse Puljujarvi lol Boeser was also drafted a few picks later and Boston could've had him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 TBH we all should forget about him in the sense of arguing on whether or not he is a bust. Way too early to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Bang Bang Boogie said: Boeser was also drafted a few picks later and Boston could've had him too. agree I mean people on CDC were wanting Jansen Harkins, pffff and then in 2017, ppl were drooling over glass and vilardi instead of Elias, heck, I like mittelstadt and had seen very little of Peterson. Just goes to show that everyone misses picks but the Canucks have improved their drafting significantly since JB arrived, cannot argue with that. And for all those wanting Nylander over Jake, I do not think Nylander has a place on this team with that contract and his hot and cold offensive play, attitude and lack of defensive awareness Edited October 18, 2019 by Canucks Curse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, higgyfan said: Fact: Right now, Juolevi has had to spend his last two offseasons rehabbing from injuries and due to those injuries he has only played 59 games since Jrs. Fact: Athletes that suffer injuries which take away huge portions of training, practice and game time, usually regress. Depending on the severity of the injuries and the amount of time away from the game, it can take a long while before the athlete returns to his prior level of play. Fact: All NHL teams have had bad picks. IMO, given Olli's injury history, it is too early to consider him a bad pick; although he certainly is a pick with bad luck. Fact OJ has done nothing to prove he's an NHL player. Fact OJ is an injury prone athlete Fact good teams don't waste a 5th O/A pick on a OJ when better picks were available ( ditto JV/ McCann ) Fact JB is drafting ( in a higher slot ) at a rate of 50% for 1st round picks, we wait to see VP. Good picks EP, BB and QH, below par JV, OJ, and McC There is no point of setting yourself for failure when there is no need, unless you have a short memory Edited October 18, 2019 by Fred65 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Shirokov Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Fact OJ has done nothing to prove he's an NHL player. Fact OJ is an injury prone athlete Fact good teams don't waste a 5th O/A pick on a OJ when better picks were available ( ditto JV/ McCann ) Fact JB is drafting ( in a higher slot ) at a rate of 50% for 1st round picks, we wait to see VP. There is no point of setting yourself for failure when there is no need, unless you have a short memory I'm not sure if your first bullet point is accurate. He has showed fairly well since he was drafted in the Men's Finnish league and last year in the AHL. He just needs to work on his defensive game, and get his conditioning up. Of all the prospects currently in the system, Juolevi prob has the best chance of being an NHL player as of right now. He has size, skating ability, IQ, and vision. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 21 hours ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Have you? One was a multiple of GM's and management The only single GM is Garth and he has been fired, I did not change the goal posts at all, but you are trying very very hard to do just that. You agree that Garth (fired for a bad job) was bad but then champion Benning as great, who got caught out? you use a Botchford catchphrase, but unlike him you don't do your homework. you have also leapt to a conclusion, without evidence. Please quote me where I said Garth was bad. Please quote me where I "champion" Benning as great. And again you asked for one gm and got more than you asked for, then leapt to the assumption that the two that were provided to you were the only two. Had you asked for a list of ALL the gm's that messed up their first round draft picks and only got a list of two then maybe you could assume that the list is only two gms long. That however, would be assuming people decided to do all your homework for you, rather than they just got bored and stopped looking after finding two. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat land fish Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Fact OJ has done nothing to prove he's an NHL player. Fact OJ is an injury prone athlete Fact good teams don't waste a 5th O/A pick on a OJ when better picks were available ( ditto JV/ McCann ) Fact JB is drafting ( in a higher slot ) at a rate of 50% for 1st round picks, we wait to see VP. Good picks EP, BB and QH, below par JV, OJ, and McC There is no point of setting yourself for failure when there is no need, unless you have a short memory McCann for where he was picked is already a serviceable nhl player and is atleast average for that slot. You would like a lot more offensive production from where job was picked but he is atleast developing into a 3rd line contributor. Hopefully OJ stays healthy reminds me a bit of Ryan Murray atleast in terms of a series of injuries stalling development. We are in a position to be patient with OJ which is good for him and the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Fact OJ has done nothing to prove he's an NHL player. Fact OJ is an injury prone athlete Fact good teams don't waste a 5th O/A pick on a OJ when better picks were available ( ditto JV/ McCann ) Fact JB is drafting ( in a higher slot ) at a rate of 50% for 1st round picks, we wait to see VP. Good picks EP, BB and QH, below par JV, OJ, and McC There is no point of setting yourself for failure when there is no need, unless you have a short memory fact no draft pick is guaranteed to play in nhl fact benning is getting 2-3 nhl players per draft fact juolevi could end being a good top4 d for us he's still young fact Canucks drafting gets gems in late rounds (gaudette, focht, jasek, mcewen,) fact benning has topped up our prospects well mcewen, focht, dipietro, brisebois, petey, boeser, virtanen, demko, tryamkin, lind, gad, juolevi, podzolkin, hoglander, mccann, stecher, madden, lockwood, utunen, woo, rafferty, could all potentially be nhl players how's that compared to oilers garbage drafting 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferlands_Head Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Fact OJ has done nothing to prove he's an NHL player. Fact OJ is an injury prone athlete Fact good teams don't waste a 5th O/A pick on a OJ when better picks were available ( ditto JV/ McCann ) Fact JB is drafting ( in a higher slot ) at a rate of 50% for 1st round picks, we wait to see VP. Good picks EP, BB and QH, below par JV, OJ, and McC There is no point of setting yourself for failure when there is no need, unless you have a short memory I do not agree with McCann At the time he was drafted McCann was ranked in the middle of the first round by most scouting services and as high as 12 he "fell" to us at 24. You must've had a crystal ball at the time if you thought Pastrnak was going to be a better prospect 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master 112 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 he only needs like 3 more years, guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, 112 said: he only needs like 3 more years, guys Well there’s only 58 position players over the age of 31 playing this year. So joulevi might have a 500 game career. 300 if it takes him a few more years to breakthrough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fanuck Posted October 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2019 59 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Fact OJ has done nothing to prove he's an NHL player. Fact OJ is an injury prone athlete Fact good teams don't waste a 5th O/A pick on a OJ when better picks were available ( ditto JV/ McCann ) By your logic, it is a FACT that Jack Hughes is a terrible NHL player right now and he is struggling just to stay in the league. Facts, as handy as they are to post on forums, often do not tell the whole picture. 1 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Fanuck said: By your logic, it is a FACT that Jack Hughes is a terrible NHL player right now and he is struggling just to stay in the league. Facts, as handy as they are to post on forums, often do not tell the whole picture. Jack can at least say he’s played in the nhl, for what it’s worth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theo5789 Posted October 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2019 This thread is a cesspool. Whether Juolevi ends up as a bust or not (whatever your standards may be), right now the Canucks are trending up during Benning's tenure. We are moving in a positive direction. If Juolevi busts, then we have other prospects to look at. If he is an NHL regular, then we just have even more depth than now. If he becomes a top pairing dman, then we are laughing (mostly at the fools that seem to want him to bust for their argument sake against Benning because they really have nothing much left). 2 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Juolevi - Secret Weapon Canucks D will battle hard all year, some will fall to injury, but then down the stretch, when teams are jockeying for playoff position, the Canucks will unleash a healthy (and unknown) Juolevi and Tryamkin. Sure, it's taking Olli a while to get here, but you never hear anyone whining about how long it's taking Brisebois, who was drafted a year earlier. It's not that Juolevi is a bad player, he's actually very good, way better than Brisebois, but he's just had some injury woes that have kept him from progressing. Now that he's healthy, let him continue to develop, he'll be a good player for the Canucks when he gets here. Maybe he'll be worth the wait. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Juolevi - Secret Weapon Canucks D will battle hard all year, some will fall to injury, but then down the stretch, when teams are jockeying for playoff position, the Canucks will unleash a healthy (and unknown) Juolevi and Tryamkin. Sure, it's taking Olli a while to get here, but you never hear anyone whining about how long it's taking Brisebois, who was drafted a year earlier. It's not that Juolevi is a bad player, he's actually very good, way better than Brisebois, but he's just had some injury woes that have kept him from progressing. Now that he's healthy, let him continue to develop, he'll be a good player for the Canucks when he gets here. Maybe he'll be worth the wait. It's the pressure of being a 1st round pick. That's why people seem to view a 1st round pick to be a good as gold because it's expected that all will be surefire superstars. We are solid down the LD for the next couple of years, so there's no pressure IMO for Juolevi and I just hope he takes whatever time he needs to get to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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