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3 hours ago, gurn said:

 

dude, you asked for one other gm and people gave you two, now you want to change the goalposts. And you think you have proved something?:picard:

Have you?

 

One was a multiple of GM's and management

 

The only single GM is Garth and he has been fired, I did not change the goal posts at all, but you are trying very very hard to do just that.

 

You agree that Garth (fired for a bad job) was bad but then champion Benning as great, who got caught out?

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moving goal posts: ok look at this

 

 

how about:

 

 

1. 2015 Draft, one of the deepest 1st rounds in the last 2 decades

1 GM in 1 Draft - Sweeney-BOS  - 1st round

pick 13- Jakub Zboril

pick 14-Jake Debrusk

pick 15- Zach Shenyshen

 

LOL

the next 3 picks were ALL STARS

- Barzal

-Kyle Connor

-Chabot

 

talk about total incompetence

 

 

2. 1 organization EDM

 

2009- 10th overal - Magnuss Paajarvi Svenson

2012 - 1st overall - Nial Yakupov

2016- 4th overall - Jesse Puljujarvi

 

lol

 

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7 hours ago, Duodenum said:

I tend to agree with the poster. Juolevi is skating in quicksand right now. His turning, especially, is below average at best. 

No surprise with tearing his ACL, but his skating needs to improve leaps and bounds before he's even ready for an NHL call-up. 

Well he missed alot of time and needs reps, that's why he is in Utica atm.  

 

Nothing beats playing games.  I don't expect him to be up to speed until the mid point.  

 

 

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For everyone worried about OJ, look at Lind.  Had injuries and took a long time to recover, but by the end of the season looked good.  

 

Now consider OJ was doing well in his first 18 games last year, then shelved.  If he can remain healthy, his second half should be much better than his first half.  

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6 hours ago, Canucks Curse said:

moving goal posts: ok look at this

 

 

how about:

 

 

1. 2015 Draft, one of the deepest 1st rounds in the last 2 decades

1 GM in 1 Draft - Sweeney-BOS  - 1st round

pick 13- Jakub Zboril

pick 14-Jake Debrusk

pick 15- Zach Shenyshen

 

LOL

the next 3 picks were ALL STARS

- Barzal

-Kyle Connor

-Chabot

 

talk about total incompetence

 

 

2. 1 organization EDM

 

2009- 10th overal - Magnuss Paajarvi Svenson

2012 - 1st overall - Nial Yakupov

2016- 4th overall - Jesse Puljujarvi

 

lol

 

Boeser was also drafted a few picks later and Boston could've had him too.

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5 hours ago, Bang Bang Boogie said:

Boeser was also drafted a few picks later and Boston could've had him too.

agree

I mean people on CDC were wanting Jansen Harkins, pffff and then in 2017, ppl were drooling over glass and vilardi instead of Elias, heck, I like mittelstadt and had seen very little of Peterson.

Just goes to show that everyone misses picks but the Canucks have improved their drafting significantly since JB arrived, cannot argue with that.

 

And for all those wanting Nylander over Jake, I do not think Nylander has a place on this team with that contract and his hot and cold offensive play, attitude and lack of defensive awareness

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21 hours ago, higgyfan said:

Fact: Right now, Juolevi has had to spend his last two offseasons rehabbing from injuries and due to those injuries he has only played 59 games since Jrs. 

 

Fact:  Athletes that suffer injuries which take away huge portions of training, practice and game time, usually regress.  Depending on the severity of the injuries and the amount of time away from the game, it can take a long while before the athlete returns to his prior level of play. 

 

Fact:  All NHL teams have had bad picks. 

 

IMO, given Olli's injury history, it is too early to consider him a bad pick; although he certainly is a pick with bad luck.

Fact OJ has done nothing to prove he's an NHL player.

Fact OJ is an injury prone athlete

Fact good teams don't waste a 5th O/A pick on a OJ when better picks were available ( ditto JV/ McCann )

Fact JB is drafting ( in a higher slot ) at a rate of 50% for 1st round picks, we wait to see VP.

Good picks EP, BB and QH, below par JV, OJ, and McC

There is no point of setting yourself for failure when there is no need, unless you have a short memory :lol:

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15 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

Fact OJ has done nothing to prove he's an NHL player.

Fact OJ is an injury prone athlete

Fact good teams don't waste a 5th O/A pick on a OJ when better picks were available ( ditto JV/ McCann )

Fact JB is drafting ( in a higher slot ) at a rate of 50% for 1st round picks, we wait to see VP.

 

There is no point of setting yourself for failure when there is no need, unless you have a short memory :lol:

I'm not sure if your first bullet point is accurate. He has showed fairly well since he was drafted in the Men's Finnish league and last year in the AHL. He just needs to work on his defensive game, and get his conditioning up. Of all the prospects currently in the system, Juolevi prob has the best chance of being an NHL player as of right now. He has size, skating ability, IQ, and vision.   

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21 hours ago, ItTakesAnArmy said:

Have you?

 

One was a multiple of GM's and management

 

The only single GM is Garth and he has been fired, I did not change the goal posts at all, but you are trying very very hard to do just that.

 

You agree that Garth (fired for a bad job) was bad but then champion Benning as great, who got caught out?

you use a Botchford  catchphrase, but unlike him you don't do your homework. you have also leapt to a conclusion, without evidence.

Please quote me where I said Garth was bad.

Please quote me where I "champion" Benning as great.

 

And again you asked for one gm and got more than you asked for, then leapt to the assumption that the two that were provided to you were the only two.

Had you asked for a list of ALL the gm's that messed up their first round draft picks and only got a list of two then maybe you could assume that the list is only two gms long.

That  however, would  be assuming people decided to do all your homework for you, rather than they just got bored and stopped looking after finding two.

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22 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

Fact OJ has done nothing to prove he's an NHL player.

Fact OJ is an injury prone athlete

Fact good teams don't waste a 5th O/A pick on a OJ when better picks were available ( ditto JV/ McCann )

Fact JB is drafting ( in a higher slot ) at a rate of 50% for 1st round picks, we wait to see VP.

Good picks EP, BB and QH, below par JV, OJ, and McC

There is no point of setting yourself for failure when there is no need, unless you have a short memory :lol:

McCann for where he was picked is already a serviceable nhl player and is atleast average for that slot.  You would like a lot more offensive production from where job was picked but he is atleast developing into a 3rd line contributor.  Hopefully OJ stays healthy reminds me a bit of Ryan Murray atleast in terms of a series of injuries stalling development.  We are in a position to be patient with OJ which is good for him and the team.

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19 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

Fact OJ has done nothing to prove he's an NHL player.

Fact OJ is an injury prone athlete

Fact good teams don't waste a 5th O/A pick on a OJ when better picks were available ( ditto JV/ McCann )

Fact JB is drafting ( in a higher slot ) at a rate of 50% for 1st round picks, we wait to see VP.

Good picks EP, BB and QH, below par JV, OJ, and McC

There is no point of setting yourself for failure when there is no need, unless you have a short memory :lol:

fact no draft pick is guaranteed to play in nhl

fact benning is getting 2-3 nhl players per draft

fact juolevi could end being a good top4 d for us he's still young

fact Canucks drafting gets gems in late rounds (gaudette, focht, jasek, mcewen,)

fact benning has topped up our prospects well mcewen, focht, dipietro, brisebois, petey, boeser, virtanen, demko, tryamkin, lind, gad, juolevi, podzolkin, hoglander, mccann, stecher, madden, lockwood, utunen, woo, rafferty, could all potentially be nhl players   how's that compared to oilers garbage drafting

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23 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

Fact OJ has done nothing to prove he's an NHL player.

Fact OJ is an injury prone athlete

Fact good teams don't waste a 5th O/A pick on a OJ when better picks were available ( ditto JV/ McCann )

Fact JB is drafting ( in a higher slot ) at a rate of 50% for 1st round picks, we wait to see VP.

Good picks EP, BB and QH, below par JV, OJ, and McC

There is no point of setting yourself for failure when there is no need, unless you have a short memory :lol:

I do not agree with McCann

 

At the time he was drafted McCann was ranked in the middle of the first round by most scouting services and as high as 12 he "fell" to us at 24. 

You must've had a crystal ball at the time if you thought Pastrnak was going to be a better prospect 

 

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11 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

 

By your logic, it is a FACT that Jack Hughes is a terrible NHL player right now and he is struggling just to stay in the league. 

 

Facts, as handy as they are to post on forums, often do not tell the whole picture. 

Jack can at least say he’s played in the nhl, for what it’s worth...

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Juolevi - Secret Weapon

 

Canucks D will battle hard all year, some will fall to injury, but then down the stretch, when teams are jockeying for playoff position, the Canucks will unleash a healthy (and unknown) Juolevi and Tryamkin. Sure, it's taking Olli a while to get here, but you never hear anyone whining about how long it's taking Brisebois, who was drafted a year earlier. It's not that Juolevi is a bad player, he's actually very good, way better than Brisebois, but he's just had some injury woes that have kept him from progressing. Now that he's healthy, let him continue to develop, he'll be a good player for the Canucks when he gets here. Maybe he'll be worth the wait.

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23 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Juolevi - Secret Weapon

 

Canucks D will battle hard all year, some will fall to injury, but then down the stretch, when teams are jockeying for playoff position, the Canucks will unleash a healthy (and unknown) Juolevi and Tryamkin. Sure, it's taking Olli a while to get here, but you never hear anyone whining about how long it's taking Brisebois, who was drafted a year earlier. It's not that Juolevi is a bad player, he's actually very good, way better than Brisebois, but he's just had some injury woes that have kept him from progressing. Now that he's healthy, let him continue to develop, he'll be a good player for the Canucks when he gets here. Maybe he'll be worth the wait.

It's the pressure of being a 1st round pick. That's why people seem to view a 1st round pick to be a good as gold because it's expected that all will be surefire superstars. We are solid down the LD for the next couple of years, so there's no pressure IMO for Juolevi and I just hope he takes whatever time he needs to get to the next level.

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