clam linguine Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 On 10/23/2016 at 7:13 PM, Kass said: They both almost said the same thing one after another. With a few words slightly different. Thanks guys. I'm glad you agree on his stats tonight. You then replied to them with that. So I went and slightly altered what you said so it would be a double double. Bless you guys. I'm joyed to see that you can concur on his points this evening. Okay.....hahaha... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Get to know the Canucks' No. 5 overall draft pick, Olli Juolevi, who spent the latter half of the summer training in Vancouver before returning to the London Knights to continue his development. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 1 hour ago, J.R. said: I had him in my top 10 at the draft, not hindsight. Even in his 5 games, who would he have knocked out of the top 10. Sergachev has debuted in the NHL and made a much tougher Defense squad, and he also dominated in preseason. Jost is looking good playing along side Boeser, Nylander is a high end talent that will develop similar to his brother. Keller has also played well as a PPG in the NCAA. I don't know who'd i'd replace out of the top 10, As best I could see him ahead of Brown at 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Just now, ForsbergTheGreat said: Even in his 5 games, who would he have knocked out of the top 10. Sergachev has debuted in the NHL and made a much tougher Defense squad, and he also dominated in preseason. Jost is looking good playing along side Boeser, Nylander is a high end talent that will develop similar to his brother. Keller has also played well as a PPG in the NCAA. I don't know who'd i'd replace out of the top 10, As best I could see him ahead of Brown at 11 Nylander IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Just now, J.R. said: Nylander IMO. Fair enough. I just see Nylander as high of a talent as his bro, who's currently 2nd in NHL points. Right now it's all just speculation still, we wont know how players continue to develop over the next 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Fair enough. I just see Nylander as high of a talent as his bro, who's currently 2nd in NHL points. Right now it's all just speculation still, we wont know how players continue to develop over the next 5 years. Not to say Nylander's crap or anything. I just would have picked JC before him personally. But no, we won't know anything for sure for 5+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 6 hours ago, The Lock said: I don't know to be honest. Hindsight is so easy to make these kind of assumptions, especially if someone gets off to a good start. We could have been saying the exact same thing about McCann around this time of last year and, before last season, McCann wasn't even considered to be a great prospect by some. I think what we really have to do is look at when he was drafted and the factors looming around him: he didn't make the Team Canada, he started lagging behind during the season, and other defenders started looking better than him. We did not have a crystal ball to show what he's doing now. Essentially, you can't used hindsight as a reason for whether we should or should not have drafted someone; yet, it's something a lot of people seem to want to do this. This especially proves a false case when you consider they would have had to go on a different path to the NHL: a different team, a different competition, a different staff to determine whether he stays up or goes back to minors. Using what happens now as a "should have could have" It's simply not a good argument to make. In fact, it's a very weak argument to make. People assume, if you're a highly ranked prospect in the draft, you're guaranteed a spot on TC. The truth is, he was never going to make that team, unless he absolutely blew the coaching staff out of the waters, in the pre-tourney. It's a rare feat, for a 17 year old to make team Canada, especially for a defensemen. There's only been four players, do to so. I think the pressure really got to him. He's been under the limelight since he was a 14 year old, and when he didn't look dominate on the ice, scouts started to nitpick every mistake he made. If Sergachev and Juolevi, were hyped up as much as Chychrun was, both probably would have fallen as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 This is a Juolevi thread, if you wanna talk about Chychrun or Nylander go to the draft thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Looks like the right call was made when we sent down Olli and for us this will be huge in 2 to 3 years if we then send him to the AHL for a year or two unless he really shines next year in preseason.I would say like Stetcher he should get sometime in the AHL first to make sure he can play against better players! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanB Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 51 minutes ago, cripplereh said: he should get sometime in the AHL first to make sure he can play against better players! You mean play some games against men as opposed to 17/18 year old kids? I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 3 hours ago, DeNiro said: This is a Juolevi thread, if you wanna talk about Chychrun or Nylander go to the draft thread. Yeah well the Virtanen thread is all about Ehlers and Nylander, so it fits right in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, shiznak said: People assume, if you're a highly ranked prospect in the draft, you're guaranteed a spot on TC. The truth is, he was never going to make that team, unless he absolutely blew the coaching staff out of the waters, in the pre-tourney. It's a rare feat, for a 17 year old to make team Canada, especially for a defensemen. There's only been four players, do to so. I think the pressure really got to him. He's been under the limelight since he was a 14 year old, and when he didn't look dominate on the ice, scouts started to nitpick every mistake he made. If Sergachev and Juolevi, were hyped up as much as Chychrun was, both probably would have fallen as well. Perhaps they would have, but perhaps not. You're right that he was in the limelight, but different people react differently under pressure; therefore, it's unfair really to assume Juolevi or Sergachev would do the same. With your reasoning, one could even argue that even making the NHL creates a lot of pressure on a player. NHL players are going to be in the limelight. NHL players are also going to have pressure on the ice. If Chychrun can't handle the media limelight, could that be an indication that he'll buckle under pressure in the playoffs? He may or may not, but it's something to think about all the same. There's more to it than just saying "oh, he was in the limelight and buckled under that limelight". These are still professional scouts we're talking about. Were they really nitpicking him differently than they would any other player? I'm a little doubtful that would be the case when their very jobs rely on being objective and providing professional opinions of the matter. Not to mention we're talking about multiple scouts: not just one, so we can't even just say we have 1 dorky scout who doesn't know any better. All in all, I'm just saying what the situation was when he was drafted and that you can't really use what he's doing now as evidence for something that's happened in the past. Edited October 27, 2016 by The Lock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 12 hours ago, J.R. said: I had him in my top 10 at the draft, not hindsight. Well at least you're not "bandwagoning" then. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHockeyNerds Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 OJ with a bad turn over on the PP that leads to a Soo shorty. Tried to get fancy at the offensive blue line and it back fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeard Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 like JB during drafts haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 On 2016-10-25 at 11:51 PM, LaBamba said: What exactly is your opinion based on? It's an opinion. Oli will be the most important player taken in his draft class. He will be a five time Norris winner, and anchor three Canuck Cup winners. Opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Alflives said: It's an opinion. Oli will be the most important player taken in his draft class. He will be a five time Norris winner, and anchor three Canuck Cup winners. Opinion. that's the hope. I think he's good enough if he lives up to his potential he will be at least in the discussion for future Norris'. he is determined and passionate. I am very excited for him as a pick. thkauk will be good but he won't be Juolevi good. (how do I spell thkauk again? lol) Edited October 29, 2016 by Rush17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 On 26/10/2016 at 8:57 AM, J.R. said: I had him in my top 10 at the draft, not hindsight. I had canner at 12. I was hoping for Pastrnak with that pick but mccann was worked out well for us with the acquisition of guddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 1 hour ago, Rush17 said: that's the hope. I think he's good enough if he lives up to his potential he will be at least in the discussion for future Norris'. he is determined and passionate. I am very excited for him as a pick. thkauk will be good but he won't be Juolevi good. (how do I spell thkauk again? lol) Meh im wasnt too happy with this pick but whatever. #TysonJost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 5 hours ago, DontMessMe said: Meh im wasnt too happy with this pick but whatever. #TysonJost I really preferred Jost too. He's extremely skilled and built like a fire plug - stocky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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