-Vintage Canuck- Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 18 minutes ago, stawns said: Not many teams would have passed on Nedved in the same spot. He was very highly touted and was a pretty damn good scorer in the NHL. He had 300+ goals in the NHL and over 700 points. Not sure that's a bust. No, he wasn't a bust at all. He had a decent career, but imagine if the Canucks had drafted Jagr instead, and had played on the same line as Bure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, -Vintage Canuck- said: No, he wasn't a bust at all. He had a decent career, but imagine if the Canucks had drafted Jagr instead, and had played on the same line as Bure. The key was nedved was already playing in North America and killing it - in the whl there were doubts jagr would come over and for sure was not felt to be as good as neddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 10 minutes ago, Adarsh Sant said: Your arguement about percentages is correct, however the trade value of ANY first rounder is still extremely high. There are numerous examples of 2nd or 3rd liners being traded for 1st or 2nd round picks. Even late 1st rounders have much higher value than what you are giving them. cut the strawman - I haven't assigned any "value" to late 1sts. I've pointed the percentages - and if they are correct as you acknowledge, then the point about late picks being a "bust"....also makes sense does it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 1 minute ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: No, he wasn't a bust at all. He had a decent career, but imagine if the Canucks had drafted Jagr instead, and had played on the same line as Bure. No argument here. That said, who knows if he would have blossomed here like he did playing with one of the most dominant players in NHL history. I would have liked to have found out. Still, nedvec was a helluva player and a helluva pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Same year as Patrick White, we also took Taylor Ellington, who's now also out of the league, at 33rd OA, and ahead of PK Subban. Alex Mallet also comes to mind, getting picked as an older player when history already predicted that such draft+ players who perform well might just be because they're ahead in the development curve physically-speaking, yet apparently management ignored that fact and still felt like wasting a 2nd on him. Damon Severson (NJ), Jimmy Vesey (Nsh), Shayne Gostisbhere (Phi), Matt Murray (Pit), Colton Parayko (StL), Fredrik Andersen (Tor), even our own Ben Hutton (in the 5th round) were some of the current NHL players drafted after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: Janney was then traded back to St. Louis for Jeff brown and Nathan Lafayette who were both significant pieces in the cup run Look back a few posts. I already posted that and we also got Hedican in the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 For draft success, looking at it from the angle of against the odds hitting it out of the park, Hansen's gotta be in the convo no? 287th overall ---> 555 games played, 231 pts, top line winger at the age of 30. Pretty damn good if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolboarder Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 The scouting team in the history is a bust. We need a better scouting to improve our drafts, that's all I want to see, a strong drafting team and Benning is beginning to assembly a better group of prospects. The chance of busting will lessen over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_impersonator13 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 52 minutes ago, Canuck_Fan_52 said: Stojanov, Nathan smith, Ryan Bonni, Josh Holden , Libor Polasek, Rob Murphy , Dan Woodley, are some busts Linden, Sedin Twins, Pavel Bure, Cam Neely, Rick Vaive, Mike Peca, Ryan Kessler, Cory Schneider, are some of the best drafts I remember when I worked back for the Nucks back in the day and they had one of the first "Season ticket holder summit" and Brian Burke got up in front of the room and said "We believe we have our next #1 center in the system and his name is Josh Holden" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 16 minutes ago, coolboarder said: The scouting team in the history is a bust. We need a better scouting to improve our drafts, that's all I want to see, a strong drafting team and Benning is beginning to assembly a better group of prospects. The chance of busting will lessen over time. Agreed...the Canucks scouting from 2005-12 is the ultimate bust...Every team has players that 'bust' in the 1st round,but the scouting staffs inability to find useful players after the 1st round is mind blowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, the_impersonator13 said: and Brian Burke got up in front of the room and said "We believe we have our next #1 center in the system and his name is Josh Holden" "All it takes is one quarter to move this franchise....one phone call" "Goalie of the future...." "Dave Gagner was the key acquisition in the Bure trade.....the trade doesn't happen if he was included" (or something to that effect LOL). Burke was always great for quotes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyg43 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Bust biggest Patrick White (was embarrassed by this bad choice) best by far Bure ! he moved out of compete for a playoff spot to the start of the next level up by far the best game breaker we ever had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_impersonator13 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: "All it takes is one quarter to move this franchise....one phone call" "Goalie of the future...." "Dave Gagner was the key acquisition in the Bure trade.....the trade doesn't happen if he was included" (or something to that effect LOL). Burke was always great for quotes... Yeah he was! .....Was always a very nice guy when I spoke with him. I remember him picking up the phone and calling season ticket holders who didn't want to renew their tickets. Best quote was probably during a gathering of small ticket holders in a suite and someone asked about how he felt about Bure coming back when the Rangers where in town and he said "I'd love to run that little commie into the 3rd row!" .....no hesitation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I nominate the Canucks 2007 entire Draft group. Stellar group - not one single player drafted that year by the Canucks played a single NHL game in their Career. That is not easy for a NHL team to accomplish . ZERO games in the show for everyone they drafted.... Here is the group. 2007 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2007 Entry 25 1 Patrick White C Tri-City Storm [USHL] 2007 Entry 33 2 Taylor Ellington D Everett Silvertips [WHL] 2007 Entry 145 5 Charles-Antoine Messier C Baie-Comeau Drakkar [QMJHL] 2007 Entry 146 5 Ilya Kablukov W CSKA Moscow [Russia] 2007 Entry 176 6 Taylor Matson C Des Moines Buccaneers [USHL] 2007 Entry 206 7 Dan Gendur C Everett Silvertips [WHL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Jason Herter/Dan Woodley tie. Two top ten picks. Ugh. Patrick White made me question our US (College) scouts. 2007 was the ultimate futile draft year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFBR392 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 White.. but with Virtanen looking like he could take over that spot in a few years. Hopefully not though, but given the draft spot and the players selected after him... it's not looking very promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 2 hours ago, oldnews said: I don't really think it makes sense to lump in late 1sts as busts - they are relative longshots from the get-go. Jason Herter - an 8th overall that played 1 NHL game - might be a candidate. Personally, if Stojanov hadn't been dealt for one of the best players in franchise history, he'd have to be in there. Dan Woodley Shawn Antoski (not so much a "bust" as a whatthe? pick) Cody Hodgson Perhaps the most disappointing pick imo was Petr Nedved - but thankfully, like the Stojanov situation - the Canucks dealth him, and destroyed "The Professor" in the process lol. Nedved still had a 38 goal season for us. Not a bust. Wouldnt even come close to saying the biggest dissapontment either. Was was dissaponting was the way he was handled. Speaking of jagr, nedved had a 45 goal ( 100 point season) with him with the pens. He was a good pick , just like neely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 White takes the cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Biggest Draft Disappointment Canucks in year one lose the Coin toss for first overall to the Sabres... Sabres choose Perrault - 512 Career NHL goals Canucks choose Talon - 98 Career NHL goals Talon was by n means a bust but still we miss GP by a coin toss........ Canucks have had some pretty bad luck at the Draft since the team joined the NHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 9 minutes ago, KFBR392 said: White.. but with Virtanen looking like he could take over that spot in a few years. Hopefully not though, but given the draft spot and the players selected after him... it's not looking very promising. Wouldn't surprise me given the luck of this franchise some days. Fans hound this team to take a local kid for once, and we finally do with the 6th overall, what looks like a great pick, and he ends up being a big fat &^@#ing flop. Unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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