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1 hour ago, Bitter Melon said:

How does he compare to Gaudette? Obviously not Hobey Baker winner 3rd year Gaudette, but freshman Madden so far seems more impressive than Freshman Gaudette, obviously with a bigger role.

Been thinking about that lately.

 

Madden right now is producing about the same as Gaudette did in the back half of his freshman year, after he started playing power play with some of the better Huskies, and building chemistry with guys like Sikura. So they’re pretty close, IMO, as freshman, although Madden hit his stride immediately and Gaudette took a little while before emerging as a top player. 

 

I think one difference is that Madden plays a more detailed defensive game, whereas Gaudette was what I’d call an “effort” defender. He wouldn’t always be in the right spots, but his work rate allowed him to catch up, and he would manage to be very effective. Madden doesn’t have to work quite as hard, as he seems to have better positioning than Gaudette did. Not that Madden doesn’t also work hard.

 

Gaudette has a better shot, especially his one timer on the PP, where he scored bunches from the same spot on the left side. Madden seems to be a better playmaker, with vision and passing that is superior to what Gaudette showed at the same age. I also think Madden has better puck skills than Gaudette did.

 

And Madden’s skating is ahead of where Gaudette was. Gaudette had an awkward stride (still does a little bit) and had to work on his skating. Nobody can ever question Gaudette’s commitment and work ethic though, and he always played with pace, and he improved his skating year to year to the point where it became a strength of his game. Madden already skates well. Like any kid his age, there’s still room to improve, but he’s ahead of freshman Gaudette in that regard.

 

Where Gaudette probably has Madden beat, other than his shot, is his heart and character. Adam Gaudette is as dedicated as they come. With Madden, there were some whispers about him having slight character issues, clashes with teammates, and sometimes giving a questionable effort in games. There’s been no sign of this at Northeastern, and it was just something some of the scouts noted in previous years. But character is something that has never been questioned with Adam Gaudette, since the first day he laced up skates, so I’d give him the edge there right now (not that losing out to a guy like Gaudette on that criterion is a bad thing—most players would).

 

EDIT: Just wanted to note that, while it sounds like I’m saying Madden is “better” than Gaudette, I’m mostly just comparing them as freshmen. Gaudette took a massive leap forward in his sophomore year, and then again as a junior to become the best player in the NCAA. This is a steep trajectory to match, and we should be happy if Madden can manage anything close to the development curve we saw from Gaudette. Also, while Madden has made a really good start to his NCAA career, there’s still a long way to go before you can even definitively say he’s matched, never mind exceeded, Gaudette’s freshman year. And Madden is a long way from Hobey Baker version Adam Gaudette, who was simply dominant at the college level.

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2 hours ago, Bitter Melon said:

How does he compare to Gaudette? Obviously not Hobey Baker winner 3rd year Gaudette, but freshman Madden so far seems more impressive than Freshman Gaudette, obviously with a bigger role.

To add onto what @SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said, when Gaudette was a freshman he came in with no expectations. In fact, he played wing for a while before switching back to center and I think this was like the 3rd or 2nd line. By the end of the year he was playing 2C and to start his sophomore year he became a mainstay on 2C and was deployed in all special teams. Madden without a doubt is better than freshman Gaudette, but Gaudette wasn't really given the opportunities Madden has gotten. On the other hand, Gaudette came onto a stacked Northeastern roster while Madden is coming in to fill the void of a once stacked Northeastern roster while he figures out collegiate hockey. 

 

I would say an understated trait that both Gaudette and Madden both share is adaptability and the ability to thrive under pressure. 

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1 hour ago, westcoastsniper said:

Madden is a better skater then Gaudette early on in their careers which is why I think he'll end up better. Other than that, they are both really similar.

I don't think they will be competing for the same job, as Gaudette will likely become the 2-way 3C and Madden will probably have to play top 6

RW.  Gaudette's skating looked really good last night and he has a larger frame that he will build on.  He will replace Sutter when the time comes.  By the time Madden makes it to the NHL (if he does), Gaudette will have 3 or 4 years under his belt.

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16 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Madden 3C. Wahlstrom 13th forward. Clearly we got the better pick. ;) 

I thought the point would be Madden 3C and wise not there at all.  

 

Hughes first pair (and listed at Right side!!!!!) while Wahlstrom is 13th forward.  

 

Isn't that the two we picked and the two we passed over?  

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33 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

Tyler Madden has made the USA team:

 

 

Really happy for Madden! He’s earned his spot and us Canucks fans have more to cheer for now!

 

I wasn’t a very big Woo fanboy at the draft because I really wanted Jack Drury. Also was a really big fan of Sasha Chmelevski! I remember complaining every round we passed and he fell down all the way to the 6th round. For me in 2017 I had our first 3 picks as Pettersson, Hague and Chmelevski. Sasha went in the 6th round so what do I know lol.

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1 minute ago, pluralsight said:

Weird, I don't see Jake Wise on that team. Would CanucksArmy know why? 

Something something Wise has poor linemates, Madden is being gifted top 6 minutes blah blah blah.

 

CanucksArmy never admits when they're wrong. Some of their writers are still salty enough about their projection model being wrong about Horvat that they continue to insinuate every now and then that he's overrated. 

 

It's too bad because they do have some good people there, but their arrogance is too much for me to take them 100% seriously.

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16 minutes ago, Brad Marchand said:

Something something Wise has poor linemates, Madden is being gifted top 6 minutes blah blah blah.

 

CanucksArmy never admits when they're wrong. Some of their writers are still salty enough about their projection model being wrong about Horvat that they continue to insinuate every now and then that he's overrated. 

 

It's too bad because they do have some good people there, but their arrogance is too much for me to take them 100% seriously.

They have admitted when they were wrong but good journalism means never having to say "I'm sorry " imo.  If you express an opinion like it is a foregone conclusion and then turn out to be incorrect it is a hit to one's integrity , again, imo. Unfortunately one writer comes out with an article prematurely implying the Madden pick was an error and now CA as a whole get criticized for it. Although, the follow up article trying to put the performance of Madden and Wise in context certainly didn't help.  If Wise was out-producing Madden by a similar margin do you think it would go unnoted ?  Of course not, and I doubt there would be any article trying to provide context to explain Madden's lack of production.

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3 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Madden 3C. Wahlstrom 13th forward. Clearly we got the better pick. ;) 

Aaron Asham trumps them all, alphabetically speaking ;) 

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4 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

Tyler Madden talks World Juniors, Quinn Hughes and Adam Gaudette.

 

Classy kid, great 3rd round pick.  I think we may have found a gem.  The great thing is that all of our prospects can't make it but having so much more quality on the farm and in the system will produce a much better product ultimately as the best will play with better players along the way and the cream will rise to the top.

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