Tomatoes11 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 22 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: You can't present logic to a Benning hater you should know that by now. If Benning and his fans were in any way shape or form logical, no one would say a thing about him. Unfortunately, they aren’t. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 23 hours ago, Alflives said: So essentially it would be Sutter + 40th OA for 8 OA? I like it! Is That extra year if Milan’s Contract worth the disparity for the Oilers to do this? Would we need to add more to Sutter + 40? What if we took Russel too, or did Chiarelli give him a NMC too? Why bother with pick swaps? Just do a trade of problem/misfit/underachiever/albatross assets ..... To Edmonton: Eriksson Goldobin Sutter Schaller To Vancouver: Lucic Puljujarvi Kassian Russell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomatoes11 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 14 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: I'd say the benchmark is the McCann, a 2nd and a 4th for Gudbranson and a 5th. I have worse trades by him. Kassian and a pick for Prust comes to mind. Just the fact that we had to add a pick is the cherry on top. Forsling for Clendenning is another. Basically anything that made us older and slower, which is like 99% of his trades unfortunately. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 15 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Lucic has a NMC for the duration of his contract, modified NTC with the NMC the final 2 years. Loui’s NMC is over, Full NTC this season modified NTC the final 2. He’s Seattle bait perhaps but I’m sure they won’t bother unless they just want his cap hit to help reach the floor, plus the small possibility if he’s playing ok that they could flip him at the TDL for a small asset (more or less have him for the season and use him as a rental, again only if he’s at least as useful as he is now). I really don’t see us offloading him unless it’s to trade another bad contract. No thanks to Lucic, that guy is a horrible anchor, can’t even bury him in the minors like NYR did years ago with Redden given his NMC. Plus we’d have to protect him (which some have pointed out). As of right now we stand to lose a decent roster player, OR a promising prospect like Lind. Maybe Benning can add something (pick or prospect) to convince Seattle to take LE, time will tell. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IBatch Posted May 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Tomatoes11 said: I have worse trades by him. Kassian and a pick for Prust comes to mind. Just the fact that we had to add a pick is the cherry on top. Forsling for Clendenning is another. Basically anything that made us older and slower, which is like 99% of his trades unfortunately. Kassian was a train wreck at the time if you recall, how did that work out for MTL? Minor trade whoopie. The first few years Benning seemed to have to add to make any moves, a result of not being in a position of power AND mending bridges that unfortunately MG left him (it’s common knowledge he wasn’t well liked by the other GMs, perhaps given he spent all his career up until then on the other side of the fence, and becuase of his attitude) a mess. Forsling again minor trade. McAan had an entitled attitude if you recall, that’s why he was shipped out, nothing wrong with creating a culture that doesn’t except that, it’s an important intangible, and Guddranson was a promising young defenseman that helped fill that age gap we had in our roster, again a MG leftover from poor drafting. In the end we got Pearson and so far you can’t argue that as a bad move. He’s also young and in his prime. Kesler, well he demanded a trade and Benning made lemonade out of it. What other trades do you want to discuss? Dahlen? That’s a head scratcher he said she said thing. Won’t know for a while who won that one. Benning isnt perfect as is no GM, but he really hasn’t been that active in the trade market, mostly because we had nobody to trade except Hansen, Burrows and Bieksa, Vanek etc. And of course the picks he used for Vey and Bear, did those picks make it into the NHL? Probably not. All of those made us younger right? And on that note how young is our team now compared to the rest of the league? Actually how many guys do we even have that are in their early thirties? Keeping tossing your tomatoes, it’s obvious trolling and like usual if you put the flashlight on the details and add perspective things shift into reality. It’s ok not to like Benning, but let’s keep things closer to the actual truth. Benning hasn’t made a blockbuster (yet), over the next couple years it could happen as now he has some assets that have actual value in a trade. Maybe later on you will be right, but at least for now it’s not fair to condemn his actions as 99.9% whatever. 1 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Tomatoes11 said: If Benning and his fans were in any way shape or form logical, no one would say a thing about him. Unfortunately, they aren’t. Tomatoes....step away from the mirror....what you are seeing is not logical. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted May 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Tomatoes11 said: If Benning and his fans were in any way shape or form logical, no one would say a thing about him. Unfortunately, they aren’t. you're too invested in the position that Jim's never made a good trade, thats the part thats not logical. 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomatoes11 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: you're too invested in the position that Jim's never made a good trade, thats the part thats not logical. He made a grand total of two trades that made sense at the time. I don’t look at the results because it’s true that trades don’t always work out. All of his trades made absolutely no sense though. He is trading like a status quo team or a buyer, never a seller like he should have from the start. His only two good trades were Hansen for Goldie and Burrows for Dahlen. Yes, neither has worked out yet but based on principal they were the right moves. Trading expiring vets and unneeded pieces for picks or prospects. Every single trade he makes should follow this. But unfortunately, like what I said, all of his other trades we got older which so wrong it’s not funny. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spook007 Posted May 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 6, 2019 On 5/4/2019 at 4:27 PM, Jimmy McGill said: if anything its underwhelming, but I don't see anything in his history thats trading for a bad contract. I really like the Pearson deal, if we get that guy who showed up at the end of the season its a pretty nice deal for us. Bingo... He's done well on Horvats wing, and would be perfect either there or on the 3rd line... An absolute gem of a pick up. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 11 hours ago, Tomatoes11 said: He made a grand total of two trades that made sense at the time. I don’t look at the results because it’s true that trades don’t always work out. All of his trades made absolutely no sense though. He is trading like a status quo team or a buyer, never a seller like he should have from the start. His only two good trades were Hansen for Goldie and Burrows for Dahlen. Yes, neither has worked out yet but based on principal they were the right moves. Trading expiring vets and unneeded pieces for picks or prospects. Every single trade he makes should follow this. But unfortunately, like what I said, all of his other trades we got older which so wrong it’s not funny. 'seller from the start' - that's the problem with your arguement, Jim never had that mandate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 So if TG was the problem, then WD was also the problem? The statement made on the news by JB towards the end of the season makes it clear he's going to deal with the EK situation, not sure how they are going to deal with it, but I don't expect him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldnews Posted May 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 6, 2019 12 hours ago, Tomatoes11 said: He made a grand total of two trades that made sense at the time. I don’t look at the results because it’s true that trades don’t always work out. All of his trades made absolutely no sense though. He is trading like a status quo team or a buyer, never a seller like he should have from the start. His only two good trades were Hansen for Goldie and Burrows for Dahlen. Yes, neither has worked out yet but based on principal they were the right moves. Trading expiring vets and unneeded pieces for picks or prospects. Every single trade he makes should follow this. But unfortunately, like what I said, all of his other trades we got older which so wrong it’s not funny. 23 hours ago, Tomatoes11 said: If Benning and his fans were in any way shape or form logical not very good grounds on which to claim you're the 'logical' one. And your claim, regardless of 'logic' - is absurd imo. Lemme guess....the Granlund deal 'made no sense at the time'? Flipping NIlsson or Del Zotto for late picks "made no sense"? Renting Vanek for Motte "made no sense"? Taking Leivo from Dubas "made no sense"? Bieksa and Garrison for 2nd round picks "made no sense"? Renting Holm for Leipsic 'made no sense'? Lack for a couple draft picks (3rd and 7th) 'made no sense'? Kesler for Bonino, 1st, Sbisa "made no sense'? Get real. You're 'making no sense'. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL'er Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Rereading the thread title makes me feel like Eriksson’s pants are too tight 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP Phone Home Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, NHL'er said: Rereading the thread title makes me feel like Eriksson’s pants are too tight I think you might be onto something Edited May 6, 2019 by EP Phone Home 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughMungus Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Eriksons a hot mess theres no denying it but its not Bennings fault this signing looked like money at the time. Atleast 40 points....oh well If we cant move him this offseason its next offseason and then Utica for LE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, HughMungus said: Eriksons a hot mess theres no denying it but its not Bennings fault this signing looked like money at the time. Atleast 40 points....oh well If we cant move him this offseason its next offseason and then Utica for LE @HughMungus What do you think about a straight up Loui for Lucic (providing Lucic waives his NMC, so he can be made eligible of the Seattle draft.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 FFS maybe the coach in utica will see eye to eye with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughMungus Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 54 minutes ago, Alflives said: @HughMungus What do you think about a straight up Loui for Lucic (providing Lucic waives his NMC, so he can be made eligible of the Seattle draft.) Id do it 1 for 1. Good for JV, Leivo, Pearson to play with. Our fanbase is consumed with Lucic. Theres no doubt it would be a fun show. Imagine Milan the whipping boy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughMungus Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Vrbata really spoiled us. Who would have thought he would have turned out better than Louie with the sedins lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomatoes11 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, oldnews said: not very good grounds on which to claim you're the 'logical' one. And your claim, regardless of 'logic' - is absurd imo. Lemme guess....the Granlund deal 'made no sense at the time'? Flipping NIlsson or Del Zotto for late picks "made no sense"? Renting Vanek for Motte "made no sense"? Taking Leivo from Dubas "made no sense"? Bieksa and Garrison for 2nd round picks "made no sense"? Renting Holm for Leipsic 'made no sense'? Lack for a couple draft picks (3rd and 7th) 'made no sense'? Kesler for Bonino, 1st, Sbisa "made no sense'? Get real. You're 'making no sense'. The granlund trade did make no sense. We didnt need an older grinder. Shinkaruk should have been traded for the highest pick we could get. Granlund has been useless to us. And yeah after getting a 2nd for garisson he proceeds to flip that 17 year old prospect for a 22 year old hack lindey vey. 5 years of potential trial growth on a prospect down the drain Benning style lol. And yes most of his trades make no sense but sounds like you are willing to make up some crappy criteria to defend him. Like I said. Almost every single trade he made we got older which is absolutely ludicrous for a rebuilding team. Edited May 7, 2019 by Tomatoes11 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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