Glug Datt Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 minute ago, theo5789 said: I think Columbus is underrated, but it's going to come down to their goaltending. Nyquist is a better addition than Dzingel anyway. Their defense is still solid with Jones and Werenski leading the way. Guys like Wennberg and Bjorkstrand will find bigger roles and may see their production go back up as a result and maybe "William Karlsson" themselves in doing so. Atkinson - Dubois - Anderson Jenner - Wennberg - Nyquist Foligno - Texier - Bjorkstrand Hannikainen - Dubinsky - Nash Werenski - Jones Murray - Savard Harrington - Nutivaara Not a team that I would be disappointed in having. Plus 5-10 million in cap space still after signing Werenski if they feel the need to add to the lineup. you're prolly right.. it just seems unreal how much talent is walking.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: But then you go on to say you're happier to get Ferland... who put up similar playoff numbers this year, and struggled similarly when he returned from injury and wasn't playing on the top line. If Ferland's production drops off, he still adds a physical game and punish defenders to wear them down, plus a guy that will stand up for your teammates. If Dzingel drops off, what do you have left? The contract is manageable because it's 2 years, but you have more Gagner in Dzingel than you do with Ferland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, theo5789 said: If Ferland's production drops off, he still adds a physical game and punish defenders to wear them down, plus a guy that will stand up for your teammates. If Dzingel drops off, what do you have left? The contract is manageable because it's 2 years, but you have more Gagner in Dzingel than you do with Ferland. We're just going to have to agree to disagree here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Glug Datt said: you're prolly right.. it just seems unreal how much talent is walking.. They certainly would be better off if 1 or 2 of the guys actually stayed. But perhaps they play better as a team rather than hoping for individuals to step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 minute ago, theo5789 said: If Ferland's production drops off, he still adds a physical game and punish defenders to wear them down, plus a guy that will stand up for your teammates. If Dzingel drops off, what do you have left? The contract is manageable because it's 2 years, but you have more Gagner in Dzingel than you do with Ferland. Agreed. And that’s exactly why Torts healthy scratched Dzingle on several occasions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, theo5789 said: I think Columbus is underrated, but it's going to come down to their goaltending. Nyquist is a better addition than Dzingel anyway. Their defense is still solid with Jones and Werenski leading the way. Guys like Wennberg and Bjorkstrand will find bigger roles and may see their production go back up as a result and maybe "William Karlsson" themselves in doing so. Atkinson - Dubois - Anderson Jenner - Wennberg - Nyquist Foligno - Texier - Bjorkstrand Hannikainen - Dubinsky - Nash Werenski - Jones Murray - Savard Harrington - Nutivaara Not a team that I would be disappointed in having. Plus 5-10 million in cap space still after signing Werenski if they feel the need to add to the lineup. Losing Panarin, Duchene, and Bobrovsky all in one shot would seriously hurt any team, no matter if they are currently underrated or overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Just now, HKSR said: Losing Panarin, Duchene, and Bobrovsky all in one shot would seriously hurt any team, no matter if they are currently underrated or overrated. Not if they have been distractions all year. They are talented individuals, but they don't necessarily make a better "team". Panarin is certainly a huge loss. Duchene was a rental and didn't really impress in the regular season, but did step up in the playoffs. I don't think the team will be hurting too much from his loss beyond what they lost in trading for him (plus I personally feel like he's the type to float after a big contract signing, so they may have dodged a bullet here, we'll see). Bobrovsky was a headache for them (or for Torts at least) most of the year and at his asking price, it simply wasn't worth it anyway and he hasn't looked as good once Ian Clark left. But goaltending is the issue I see here being a big factor and hopefully Korpisalo has more confidence knowing he's the guy, but Elvis Merzlikins may come in under the radar here. They may feel the effect more a few more years down the road with all the picks they gave up and didn't re-gain from letting these guys walk, but they do have all of their 1sts, so just have to make those picks count. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Alflives said: Agreed. And that’s exactly why Torts healthy scratched Dzingle on several occasions. Was he? I wasn't even aware he was healthy scratched. That's an even bigger red flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Good money, good term. Good deal. Was worried he’d get 5mil on a long term deal. Tanev got a far better deal and has never hit 20 goals or 40 points in his life. Hell, never even hit 30. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Virtanen#18 said: Ya... but PPG is pretty comparable... so my point is, is it really worth our 1st pick + paying $1.7M more? Let's not forget JT got to play with Stamkos and Kucherov... Dzingel, well just Ottawa... But what about their HERO chartz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Good money, good term. Good deal. Was worried he’d get 5mil on a long term deal. Tanev got a far better deal and has never hit 20 goals or 40 points in his life. Hell, never even hit 30. Lol. This is why you cannot look at point production alone. Far more aspects in play when building a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Virtanen#18 said: Ya... but PPG is pretty comparable... so my point is, is it really worth our 1st pick + paying $1.7M more? Let's not forget JT got to play with Stamkos and Kucherov... Dzingel, well just Ottawa... lmgtfy 16.2% of his 5 on 5 ice-time with Kucherov Stamkos 2 of his 27 even strength pts last season (7.4% of his 5 on 5 production) while playing with Kucherov and Stamkos. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Crimson said: 26 goals for less than $3.5M is meh? My mistake! I thought it was $6.75 X 2 years. I blame no coffee yet That is indeed a bargoon. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said: Actually really good. Uh what? What do you expect to get him for? See above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, aGENT said: My mistake! I thought it was $6.75 X 2 years. I blame no coffee yet That is indeed a bargoon. BARGOON! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Coconuts said: It'll be interesting to see which player he'll be The Ottawa Dzingel or the Columbus Dzingel He didn't look good after arriving in Columbus Torts effect? seems like a solid signing to me. He's what we wanted out of Baer. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, theo5789 said: This is why you cannot look at point production alone. Far more aspects in play when building a team. Tanev’s average defensively, decent physically, and an average scorer. Still doesn’t mean he should get 4 more years than Dzingel. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, aGENT said: My mistake! I thought it was $6.75 X 2 years. I blame no coffee yet That is indeed a bargoon. 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: See above. Fair enough. I actually thought the same and looked again and was like o ok, that's better. Haha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Fair enough. I actually thought the same and looked again and was like o ok, that's better. Haha. Again, in my defense, 6:46AM...pre-coffee. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRypien37 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 33 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: We're just going to have to agree to disagree here. Whats there to dispute? Ferland has a physical presence, Dzingel does not. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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