[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at San Jose Sharks | Nov. 02, 2019

[IBatch]

9 hours ago, Canorth said:

You also forgot Crosby.

 

None if those players would come close to to those numbers in today’s NHL, the best chance would probably be Mario or Bobby.... but still, no where close.

 

I get it. Just really excited about this kid and his potential. He’s been on an upward trajectory since his draft. His ceiling far from determined. He has “legend”written all over him.

 

Hmmm...well  Gretzky played with and against the young stars of the late nineties to early 2010’s, and did so a few years before retirement in the dead puck era ... with clutching holding interference and a red line - yet was still a top 3-5 scorer at the time, beating all of them out.    Mario too.  

 

Not saying he’d score 200 - but would also don’t think his scoring would be much different either.    Removing the red line and the lack of obstruction would help him - bigger goaltenders doing the butterfly would not - but still what’s the percentage difference between .89 and .910 SP?   10-12 percent approx.   So instead maybe he’d have 2750 points.  If you didn’t watch these guys play I don’t think it’s right to compare eras - but it’s very easy to compare how guys did late in their careers against the next crop of stars - and in almost every case the best were still at or near the best against them.   Selanne, Jagr, Iginla, St Louis, Federov, Bure, Sakic, Yzerman, Bossy, Lafluer, Mario, Potvin, Coffey,  Borque...all these guys played against guys at the start of their careers that were ten year vet stars and the end of their careers that had up and coming stars too -it’s actually not that hard to compare under those circumstances IF you were there.

 

Yes the game is faster now - not like it wasn’t fast then either though.  Gartners time lasted forever - and it wasn’t started the same back then either (harder). 

 

One more thing about Gretzky - he was literally lapping most of the scoring leaders in his prime.   Doubling them.  Nobodies ever done that but him, it would be like, well McKinnon scoring 99 and EP scoring 198.  It was incredible back then and is still incredible today.

 

Agree Crosby and add Ovi as legends when they are gone too.   EP has a lot of time to prove he’s that good - if he gets over 100 this year it would be a heck of a start.

[Gaudette Celly]

From moneypuck.com:

 

[Pete M]

12 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

Not to be a party pooper, but I'm still a bit worried about our ability to go up against the better teams in the league. Our record is awesome and the games are for the most part very enjoyable right now, but it needs to be mentioned that a lot of our wins are against bottomfeeders so far this year. We've feasted on the likes of Detroit, LA, San Jose and Philly, and the times we have gone up against better teams the results have been....mixed. Wins against Florida and St Louis, but losses against Edmonton, Calgary, Washington and Anaheim. We're really not going to know where we stand until we start facing playoff teams with more regularity. 

 

That said, if you're going to be a good team, you have to be able to feast on the lesser teams, and we're certainly doing that, which at the very least proves that we're a tier above where they are.  

Yeah but...Riddich and Gibson stole those games, Edmonton as a team stole one, and vs Washington the team is learning how to win (5-1 lead slipped away) lesson learned...since then, they've been keeping the foot on the gas when they have the lead in the turd....

 

same line of thinking...could say Blackwood stole one too vs NJ (1-0).

 

agree... good teams find ways to win games against hot goalies....I see Canucks having more potential to maintain their performance to date than the Oilers.

Edited November 3, 2019 by Pete M

[kingfreako]

I was at the game! Super fun. Hoping to see them again when they return to San Jose on December 14.

 

Aside from the usual suspects (Boeser, Pettersson, Horvat) impressing, I gotta say after watching them live I was really impressed by the way Pearson and Gaudette play. Not afraid to get into the dirty areas and take hits to make plays. Same goes for Beagle and Schaller.

 

Canucks could have easily scored 7 if it weren't for a couple of stellar saves by Dell.

 

Canucks actually connecting more on their stretch passes and cross-ice passes have been a pleasant improvement this season, upping the speed of the game and keeping the other team on their toes.

[Gaudette Celly]

"Great hockey team" -- as per Captain Bo just this week.  Others beginning to concur.

 

[Knucklehd]

9 hours ago, Kragar said:

Just think of the return we gotta pay for Miller if we do more than squeak in this year!

Will gladly pay it two times over.

[aqua59]

22 minutes ago, kingfreako said:

I was at the game! Super fun. Hoping to see them again when they return to San Jose on December 14.

 

Aside from the usual suspects (Boeser, Pettersson, Horvat) impressing, I gotta say after watching them live I was really impressed by the way Pearson and Gaudette play. Not afraid to get into the dirty areas and take hits to make plays. Same goes for Beagle and Schaller.

 

Canucks could have easily scored 7 if it weren't for a couple of stellar saves by Dell.

 

Canucks actually connecting more on their stretch passes and cross-ice passes have been a pleasant improvement this season, upping the speed of the game and keeping the other team on their toes.

Your point about their speed is pin point. As a group this team is faster than last year. Each line shift in and shift out. 

 

Over time we've gotten used to having the Sedins on one line, not fast yet very efficient. 

 

Now each line is hungry. The call ups were in the right place last night, watching from the press box. Being reminded how fast things are up in the bigs and how cohesive the team that sent them down has become. They either fit or go.

[stawns]

37 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Hmmm...well  Gretzky played with and against the young stars of the late nineties to early 2010’s, and did so a few years before retirement in the dead puck era ... with clutching holding interference and a red line - yet was still a top 3-5 scorer at the time, beating all of them out.    Mario too.  

 

Not saying he’d score 200 - but would also don’t think his scoring would be much different either.    Removing the red line and the lack of obstruction would help him - bigger goaltenders doing the butterfly would not - but still what’s the percentage difference between .89 and .910 SP?   10-12 percent approx.   So instead maybe he’d have 2750 points.  If you didn’t watch these guys play I don’t think it’s right to compare eras - but it’s very easy to compare how guys did late in their careers against the next crop of stars - and in almost every case the best were still at or near the best against them.   Selanne, Jagr, Iginla, St Louis, Federov, Bure, Sakic, Yzerman, Bossy, Lafluer, Mario, Potvin, Coffey,  Borque...all these guys played against guys at the start of their careers that were ten year vet stars and the end of their careers that had up and coming stars too -it’s actually not that hard to compare under those circumstances IF you were there.

 

Yes the game is faster now - not like it wasn’t fast then either though.  Gartners time lasted forever - and it wasn’t started the same back then either (harder). 

 

One more thing about Gretzky - he was literally lapping most of the scoring leaders in his prime.   Doubling them.  Nobodies ever done that but him, it would be like, well McKinnon scoring 99 and EP scoring 198.  It was incredible back then and is still incredible today.

 

Agree Crosby and add Ovi as legends when they are gone too.   EP has a lot of time to prove he’s that good - if he gets over 100 this year it would be a heck of a start.

Gretzky, with modern equipment, training and rules would still be a 150-200 point guy.  He's was the most dominant athlete in an era of dominant athletes.  

[Wanless]

40 minutes ago, Gaudette Celly said:

From moneypuck.com:

 

Looks like we get a do over. 

 

We're coming for you Boston

 

[Sean Monahan]

10 hours ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said:

 

I think you're already in trouble 

Look at the date of the tweet. 

[-DLC-]

11 minutes ago, stawns said:

Gretzky, with modern equipment, training and rules would still be a 150-200 point guy.  He's was the most dominant athlete in an era of dominant athletes.  

He also had a guy keeping others at bay and giving him extra room.  If Petey had that...sky's the limit. 

 

I believe Petey will be that guy in this era if he stays healthy....and here's why (I agree with Wayne):

Gretzky on Petey:

 

Quote

The latest comparison from Gretzky, however, crosses sports boundaries to the greatest of all time in another sport: basketball. He compared Pettersson to his old ProStars teammate, Michael Jordan.

In an interview with Swedish newspaper Expressen, Gretzky was asked about Pettersson and again compared Pettersson to himself, before moving on to the Jordan comparison. Here are his comments via a translation:

“That young man in Vancouver has really impressed me,” said Gretzky. “We always compare athletes with each other and if there's anyone who reminds me of myself, it is Elias Pettersson. For several reasons. Firstly, he may not be the best skater or has the hardest shot, and he is not the physically biggest player on the ice but he sees the ice so well. And he has a great understanding of the game.

“But the most important thing is his work ethic. If he loses the puck he immediately tries to win it back. Many young players make an extra turn and take some time to do so, but not Elias. He's right there and is fighting to get the puck back again.

 

[189lb enforcers?]

25 minutes ago, aqua59 said:

Your point about their speed is pin point. As a group this team is faster than last year. Each line shift in and shift out. 

 

Over time we've gotten used to having the Sedins on one line, not fast yet very efficient. 

 

Now each line is hungry. The call ups were in the right place last night, watching from the press box. Being reminded how fast things are up in the bigs and how cohesive the team that sent them down has become. They either fit or go.

Just wanted to add here that while team speed may have improved this season, what we are seeing is a willingness to use it as being the biggest change. 

 

The team wants its, so they take it. 

The desire this group shows is impressive.

I still think that mainly comes from EP, the skinny, gutsy, never-quit skill guy who leads by example, but that’s just an opinion and an aside. 

 

The battle level is finally like it used to be a very long time ago. 

 

Edited November 3, 2019 by 189lb enforcers?

[189lb enforcers?]

13 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

He also had a guy keeping others at bay and giving him extra room.  If Petey had that...sky's the limit. 

 

I believe Petey will be that guy in this era if he stays healthy....and here's why (I agree with Wayne):

Gretzky on Petey:

 

 

McJesus and Leon agree. 

[milk and honey]

1 hour ago, Gaudette Celly said:

From moneypuck.com:

 

Place your bets boys. 

 

Bet your house bet everything. It's happening 

 

 

 

 

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Thank you

MH

[-Vintage Canuck-]

The full game is being replayed right now on Sportsnet One, if you missed it or would like to watch it again.

[Darius]

5 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

The full game is being replayed right now on Sportsnet One, if you missed it or would like to watch it again.

The play where Sautner was injured just played again.

 

that was a late hit, no doubt.

 

dillon is a dirtbag.  Has taken liberties and plays on the fine line for years.   Would love to see someone crank that guy. 

Edited November 3, 2019 by Darius

[48MPHSlapShot]

1 hour ago, Pete M said:

Yeah but...Riddich and Gibson stole those games, Edmonton as a team stole one, and vs Washington the team is learning how to win (5-1 lead slipped away) lesson learned...since then, they've been keeping the foot on the gas when they have the lead in the turd....

 

same line of thinking...could say Blackwood stole one too vs NJ (1-0).

 

agree... good teams find ways to win games against hot goalies....I see Canucks having more potential to maintain their performance to date than the Oilers.

The goal differential and the fact that the numbers are players are putting up seem more sustainable than the numbers the Edmondump are putting up tell me what we're doing is more sustainable as well....the Oilers are gonna crash and burn at some point.

 

That said, we still need to prove it. I'm certainly willing the chalk the Washington loss up to a young team learning to win vs an experienced team that knows how to win. Hot goalies, experienced teams, teams playing unsustainable hockey. Sure, these things can be anomalies, but we still need to figure out ways to overcome them if we hope to sustain are winning ways. 

 

November will be much more telling of where this team actually stands than October was. 

[-DLC-]

1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

November will be much more telling of where this team actually stands than October was. 

Actually....no.   A more telling picture of things is at the end of it all because, on a month by month basis, no team will just sail through unscathed and sustain a winning roll without hitting some bumps/losses.  So if November isn't great, I don't want people going "aha - see?  told ya" because, after that, comes December - March.  Have patience and know that what we've seen so far is real.  That, even if it wanes at times, it can (and likely will) return.  So don't throw the baby out with the bathwater stuff. 

 

We tend to scream "good" or "bad" constantly.  How about if we'll have good periods and bad ones but the only thing that counts is how that translates overall in points and then carries over into playoffs.  A November assessment is as good as an October one and they can offset each other if they vastly differ.

 

While some hold their breath waiting for the bubble to burst and others have us hoisting the cup, somewhere in between where we watch it play out is likely the best course of action.  Because so much rides on health/being injury free and goaltending and that can't be foreseen.  We're scoring tons of goals and if that continues, we certainly have a fighting chance.  Our goaltending's been superb...once again, there will be glitches but it's an overall assessment that determines "good" and "bad".

 

Right now, we're in 5th overall.  Which is an actual in where the team stands.  All that counts.  No one has points deducted or added for "easier/tougher" teams....they add up just the same.

[-DLC-]

14 minutes ago, Darius said:

The play where Sautner was injured just played again.

 

that was a late hit, no doubt.

 

dillon is a dirtbag.  Has taken liberties and plays on the fine line for years.   Would love to see someone crank that guy. 

Dillon JUST was possibly going to be "looked at" for something else, wasn't he?

 

I thought this was a clean hit at first but, definitely, late.  And with a guy whose rep is starting to be one of those guys who dances on the edge, it needs attention.  He hurts people in preventable plays.  That's a problem.

[bree2]

1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

Not to be a party pooper, but I'm still a bit worried about our ability to go up against the better teams in the league. Our record is awesome and the games are for the most part very enjoyable right now, but it needs to be mentioned that a lot of our wins are against bottomfeeders so far this year. We've feasted on the likes of Detroit, LA, San Jose and Philly, and the times we have gone up against better teams the results have been....mixed. Wins against Florida and St Louis, but losses against Edmonton, Calgary, Washington and Anaheim. We're really not going to know where we stand until we start facing playoff teams with more regularity. 

 

That said, if you're going to be a good team, you have to be able to feast on the lesser teams, and we're certainly doing that, which at the very least proves that we're a tier above where they are.  

 you are saying Calgary and Anaheim are better teams, but when I look at the standings I see Canucks doing better than they are. and Washington barely beat us, some of these  "playoff teams" , to me sounds ridiculous, because not one team is a playoff team in the beginning of November.