Tre Mac Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 13 hours ago, Brad Marchand said: Think I finally understand where the motivation for this song came from: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 If your fans don't have hope, that's a bad sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 9 hours ago, mll said: “We felt like we weren’t being heard” with too many differences of opinion was the main explanation given by the Pegulas. They hired someone in house as GM without a search because they know and trust him - there was no interest in bringing someone from the exterior. They also don't want a president of hockey operations and say they don't believe in that philosophy. They talk of believing in a flat organisation where themselves, Kevyn Adams and Krueger are in open communication. They talk of running the franchise "effectively, efficiently and economically". Krueger brings his experience from being chairman of Southampton. He is going to be more involved in the management side. The segment with the Pegulas starts at 5:30. They hired them as the fix for the draft at this point.. an article I read said that he fills one of the many holes they have to keep them operational and costs down through losses at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 From the 31 Thoughts Podcast. Seems Botterill was pushing back against organisational changes that the Pegulas wanted, which was basically the Bloody Tuesday thing yesterday. Botterill isn't a term guy, didn't want to give Skinner his current deal. Wanted it to be more money, less term, was overruled by the Pegulas. He didn't want to give Eichel his current deal - whether that means he wanted less term or less money they didn't say, but he wasn't happy with this deal and again the Pegulas overruled any negotiation he wanted to do. He's not a term guy, longer contracts probably not on him. Believes term deals are one of the things that can majorly &^@# up teams. Adams' hiring was a good part because of what we already guessed - they wanted a yes man. Seems the Pegulas are going to even more of a role in the day to day business than they already were. Pegulas consciously chose to stay away from previously experienced 'hockey people' for GM because they felt hockey people had failed them. Consciously chose to stay in house, as they likely will for a couple of other positions. They have a couple more FO and training staff they fully trust. Adams was a consciously inexperienced choice. Only going to see Botterill's effects in 3 odd years, as he didn't have enough time to effectively rebuild As of yesterday morning Botts thought his job was secure, same with other firings. Outside org, a lot of people thought writing was on the wall after Eichel spoke out, but just fired FO was conducting everything from contract negotiations to draft scouting and planning as normal. Will need to re-do any negotiations they were in the middle of. Last year expectation was unless Edmonton & Buffalo improved in the next 2-3 years, Eichel and McDavid would likely ask for trades. McDavid is now happy w/ Oilers direction, Eichel is even more unhappy. Krueger secure in his job, partly because NHL pedigree is limited and he isn't a typical 'hockey guy.' His influence is expanding and will have a greater say in hockey ops next year. Reasons also partly because Eichel has a lot of trust in him. Pegulas still want to draft & develop well + wait is to see how Cozens, Mittelstadt develop. While goalie prospects look promising, Sabres biggest issue is lack of goaltending. Hutton had surgery recently to do w/ eyesight, hoping that makes his game better. That said, may also see a return of strategy that was there immediately after Pegulas bought the team - which is to say, pay all the free agents everything in an effort to audition for Eichel, make the playoffs, and stave off a trade request. https://podcast.sportsnet.ca/31-thoughts/buffaloed/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 You gotta think Eichel demands a trade at this point, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Qwags said: Botterill isn't a term guy, didn't want to give Skinner his current deal. Wanted it to be more money, less term, was overruled by the Pegulas. He didn't want to give Eichel his current deal - whether that means he wanted less term or less money they didn't say, but he wasn't happy with this deal and again the Pegulas overruled any negotiation he wanted to do. He’s certainly right about term. That Skinner contract was simply terrible back when it was signed, and the sudden cap implications of COVID have only made it worse. A lot can happen in 4-8 years - injuries, regression, character issues, lack of motivation... even a pandemic. If it’s a foundational player (and I don’t mean Sutter), then you have to lock in. But going longer than 2-3 years at decent coin for older and/or complimentary players isn’t good strategy. You’re better off filling 2/3 of those spots with younger/cheaper players, which frees up money for another really good player to fill the 3rd spot. Skinner is a really good player...for now. But he’s too old an injury prone to be worth even close to that contract in a few years. Edited June 17, 2020 by D-Money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Well I wonder what @SabresFan thinks about this? Miss his participation. Pegula might have money but when you put as much as they have into the team and it continues to sink then moves are in order. Just happy with the Acquilinis. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Boudrias said: Well I wonder what @SabresFan thinks about this? Miss his participation. Pegula might have money but when you put as much as they have into the team and it continues to sink then moves are in order. Just happy with the Acquilinis. I'd agreed if Botterill had been there for more than 3 seasons. In the 10 seasons since the Pegulas purchased the team, they have gone through 4 GMs and 6 coaches. Literally Oilers East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Qwags said: I'd agreed if Botterill had been there for more than 3 seasons. In the 10 seasons since the Pegulas purchased the team, they have gone through 4 GMs and 6 coaches. Literally Oilers East. OUCH! I think they are doing better with the Bills. I agree that 3 years is not close to enough time for a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DeNiro Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mackcanuck said: Any decent scouts we can grab? I don’t think this just limited to the NHL in terms of being unprecedented. It may be the record for any major sports team. Edited June 18, 2020 by DeNiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Pegula must be jealous of Melnyk getting all the press for being the worst owner in the league. I feel bad for the Sabres fans; they deserve better than this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 The comments section is hysterical. Elliotte looking like Tom Hanks in Castaway, or a homeless guy, or he's on a bender. Lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Anyway we can get Dahlin now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilin96 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 9 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Anyway we can get Dahlin now? Will do a Juolevi + Eriksson for Dahlin, sounds about fair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, ruilin96 said: Will do a Juolevi + Eriksson for Dahlin, sounds about fair. Raymond Eriksson, Ballard Sutter, 1st (in 2022) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 On 6/16/2020 at 8:50 AM, Bitter Melon said: I mean, I'm obviously not that well versed on the Buffalo front office, but I don't know if putting a Senior Vice President of Business Administration in the most important hockey ops role is a great idea. Sounds like they're more worried about pinching pennies than icing a great team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, Mackcanuck said: All 22 of these guys were drinkin' in Greeley's privately owned tavern(3rd on list)..they were plannin' a hootin' & hollerin' pursuit of prospects, & then in walked Munny... Edited June 18, 2020 by Nuxfanabroad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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McBackup Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 16 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: The comments section is hysterical. Elliotte looking like Tom Hanks in Castaway, or a homeless guy, or he's on a bender. Lol. I love it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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