Timråfan Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said: I hope this trade drives Edler Edler is in a contract year and still can get 1 more I cant see him wanting to lose minutes to Schmidt. Edler already lost the 1st unit PP to Hughes he does not want to lose 2 unit to Schmidt and Myers Myers is on PP2... Edited October 14, 2020 by Timråfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 hours ago, cuporbust said: So he played more minutes meaning had more opportunities to get points , played more minutes and got more defensive deployment. So......played more minutes ..... It's been well documented as well that schmidt played some of the hardest minutes in the NHL for d men....so not seeing how this makes Edler better. Did Schmidt play harder minutes than Edler? Does this mean that Edler played some of the hardestest minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 3 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Hughes > Schmidt > Edler > Myers. I don't see that changing for a while. Definitely that’s the order. And it’s very clear cut, IMO. It’s possible things change sooner rather than later, I suppose. If one of our prospects becomes a legit top-4, they should easily push Myers down to 5th. And Edler could, over the coming years, decline to more of a 4/5 tweener or third pairing D. But for right now, and for the near future, it’s definitely Hughes>Schmidt>Edler>Myers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Top four and top seven at the beginning of the next season: Hughes Schmidt Edler Myers ______________ Joulevi Rafferty Benn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Timråfan said: Myers is on PP2... Schmidt also kills penalties, top notch skater will make this team a way way better...We lost Tanev but Schmidt is big up grade..So stoked.. I think Schmidt played harder minutes, he lead all Vegas D men in the playoffs.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 8 hours ago, Dixon Ward said: NHL defensemen Hughes Schmidt Edler Myers Benn I think defensive prospects rank like this in terms of playability in the NHL today. I Think Rathbone will climb quickly, but today I would go with this. OJ Tryamkin Sautner Rafferty Brisebois Chatfield Rathbone Woo Teves Utunen Jurmo Just curious - why do you have Rathbone ranked so low? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 18 hours ago, -AJ- said: I think Edler is probably a hair better than Schmidt in every category right now, but that could change as fast as this upcoming year, with Edler starting to get older at 34 years of age in comparison to Schmidt, who's five years younger. Obviously Myers is #4 even though he makes a lot of mistakes. Hughes is still #1 as well obviously. Edler is probably our #3 or #4 D man right now. I would take Schmidt and Hughes ahead of him by a large margin. I might take Myers ahead of him too. I think Edler will eventually be displaced by one of our prospect D in a couple of years like Rathbone or Joulevi. 3 years down the road: Hughes-Joulevi Schmidt-Myers Edler-Rathbone That is if Edler will sign with us for 2 or 3 mil/yr to win a cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 7 hours ago, wildcam said: Schmidt also kills penalties, top notch skater will make this team a way way better...We lost Tanev but Schmidt is big up grade..So stoked.. I think Schmidt played harder minutes, he lead all Vegas D men in the playoffs.... I love the fact that Schmidt has way better offense compared to Tanev which means he could QB our PP if Hughes gets injured. He can also QB the 2nd PP with Myers so Edler can just focus on PK and 5 on 5 play. Hopefully Benning signs Hamonic to a 1 year 1 million dollar deal so he can be used as a defensive D man in that 3rd pairing and be used as a shot blocker in PK to free up Schmidt from doing too much PK work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 14 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Definitely that’s the order. And it’s very clear cut, IMO. It’s possible things change sooner rather than later, I suppose. If one of our prospects becomes a legit top-4, they should easily push Myers down to 5th. And Edler could, over the coming years, decline to more of a 4/5 tweener or third pairing D. But for right now, and for the near future, it’s definitely Hughes>Schmidt>Edler>Myers. Assuming Benning is done with the D, what would be our starting lineup for D? Hughes-Myers Edler-Scmidt Joulevi-Rathbone/Benn Rafferty I hope Benning trades Benn and signs Hamonic. We need someone that can play in the top 4 if injuries hit. Stecher was able to play that type of role for us. I deally I would want Sami Vatanen but he will be too expensive for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 17 hours ago, Where's Wellwood said: I see that changing next year when we don't re-sign Edler so that we can afford Hughes Edler could still sign with us for like 3 million or so. It will be flat cap next season so he wouldn't be getting 5 or 6 million, which will save us 3 million . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, DefCon1 said: Edler is probably our #3 or #4 D man right now. I would take Schmidt and Hughes ahead of him by a large margin. I might take Myers ahead of him too. I think Edler will eventually be displaced by one of our prospect D in a couple of years like Rathbone or Joulevi. 3 years down the road: Hughes-Joulevi Schmidt-Myers Edler-Rathbone That is if Edler will sign with us for 2 or 3 mil/yr to win a cup. I think Edler would love that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbllpp Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Edler - He’s still the closest thing we have to a number 1 complete dman, still top on ES and PK, doesn’t need to do pp anymore which is a good thing but the offence is still there - 0.57 ppg over the last three years, we are in for a world of hurt when he retires Schmidt - 2 way puck-moving Dman (not sure why people think he’s physical, Tanev threw more hits than he did last year) toi stats point to 2nd unit PP and 2nd unit PK use in Vegas. Not sure he’ll see much PP time here given our tendency to go with 4 forwards. Feels like a less physical Hamhuis to me Hughes - He’s awesome at what he does but still needs to figure out his own end. Vegas exposed him early but he adapted which is a good sign will move up the list quickly. The biggest question is how many games it takes for him to be our too scoring Dman of all time Myers - If he could pull it all together he’d be higher on the list. Only player in the system other than maybe OJ that can potentially fill the Eagle void when he’s gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Ward Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 10 hours ago, DarkIndianRises said: Just curious - why do you have Rathbone ranked so low? No experience beyond college. Simple as that. The other guys have been battling in men's leagues. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 10:03 PM, -AJ- said: I think Edler is probably a hair better than Schmidt in every category right now, but that could change as fast as this upcoming year, with Edler starting to get older at 34 years of age in comparison to Schmidt, who's five years younger. Obviously Myers is #4 even though he makes a lot of mistakes. Hughes is still #1 as well obviously. Edler is definitely not better than Schmidt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcheeze86 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1-Hughes 2-Edler 3-schmidt 4-Myers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/14/2020 at 1:03 AM, -AJ- said: I think Edler is probably a hair better than Schmidt in every category right now, but that could change as fast as this upcoming year, with Edler starting to get older at 34 years of age in comparison to Schmidt, who's five years younger. Obviously Myers is #4 even though he makes a lot of mistakes. Hughes is still #1 as well obviously. Edler was our worst defenseman over three years with both zone exits and entries - both tragically below the 20 percentile. QHs was 99 in zone exits and 98 in zone entry virtually at the top of the league , Myers a respectable 65-70 in both and after that it fell off a cliff for the rest of our guys. Schmidt is very good at both- last year 93/92 and a three year average 89/88....we for sure need more of that. To me Edler and Myers are a wash, both do some things better then the other. Somehow Edler has had a renaissance the past three seasons despite getting older, but I think his time is almost done. If OJ pushes him down the depth chart I wonder if he’d be willing to accept 1/2 to 1/3 of his current salary to stay with us. I’d be hesitant to offer him a 2 year deal at 35 that would pay him like a top four. That said he’s been a great soldier for us and for sure an all time great Canuck D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/14/2020 at 7:33 PM, DefCon1 said: Edler could still sign with us for like 3 million or so. It will be flat cap next season so he wouldn't be getting 5 or 6 million, which will save us 3 million . Yep. That’s what I see happening too. Not many 35 year old D’s get paid like top fours these days unless they are exceptional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 The top-4 will be rated how the coaching staff want them to be. There will a certain amount of juggling, for whatever reason(s). If Hughes plays a game along side Myers rather than Schmidt, does that mean that he is the Canucks #3 d-man, or was it due to a coaching decision that Hughes would benefit from playing with a substantially larger partner? Or, if Boeser spends a shift playing on the 3rd line, is that because he's not a good player, or because of a coaching decision to give him a bit more ice time due to several Canuck penalties, or, to keep up the pressure on the other team, or as an attempt to get the 3rd line going. It seems to be a pretty minimal type of concern. This being said: Schmidt (for now - more experience, size, has good vision & smarts etc) Hughes (for now - less experience, lack of size, very good & smarts etc) Edler Myers regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Hughes (by a long shot. And he's gonna get better) Schmidt Edler (Who I believe is a noticeable step up from Myers) Myers Benn We really need to move Benn. Just wasn't a good fit. Juolevi is clearly in management's plans on the left anyway, and it's time he was given the chance to play at this level. Rathbone needs some time in the A. He can take Edler's spot next year if he's ready, or we re-sign Edler for another year. At this point it looks like we are going with Rafferty in the 3R position - though I expect JB to get a more established guy in FA. I also expect (hope?) JB gets Tryamkin here as another option. I think some get hung up on TT's limited upside without appreciating what a huge guy like that can do for you in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/14/2020 at 1:55 AM, Timråfan said: Myers is on PP2... Soon to be supplanted by Rafferty. In Utica, Juolevi quarterbacked the PP1 at the beginning, but after his injury absence, Rafferty took over, and man, was he impressive. OJ never won his spot back and was relegated to the 2nd unit. There are some Rafferty hilite clips posted in the Comets thread that are worth viewing. Almost as dynamic as Hughes. If he gets into games, I hope Green gives him a look, but I am not holding my breath - look how long it took for him to realize QH was infinitely superior to AE on PP1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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