Coronavirus outbreak

[Gator]

4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Thank you.  That makes perfect sense.  I’m trying to understand how we can defeat this virus without herd immunity.  Are you saying (which is helping me understand, so thank you for that) that the virus will die out if there are no longer any hosts to infect?  To me that makes sense, and appears to be what China did, right?  

The virus lasts up to 21-30 days (on average) in host and can live on surfaces for up to a week. So if every single household was to be forced to remain indoors and not be allowed out for 40-50 days, then the virus should be gone, no?

 

What would we rather? No normal life for about 2 months, or see loved ones suffering from this pandemic for a couple years?

 

The government's should be able to fund a delivery service to provide all Canadians households in need to help in this crucial time. Makes more sense than upping the checks for everyone to panic buy at once if you ask me. Unfortunately things need to get out of hand first before a government will consider stepping in to that extent

 

I'm not worried about getting it, but there are family members that I am nervous for if they do get it, and that's what's scaring me

[Gator]

25 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Are they?  Please provide data to support, that healthy young people are dying from Covid 19.  All I’m able to find is that healthy young people get the virus, but are asymptomatic and can spread it to the high risk elderly.  If you show data to the contrary, I will gladly read it.  

 

A 21 year old soccer coach died from it, and a guy in his early 30s died from it as well. They're the only 2 I personally know of

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, Brock Botanen said:

The virus lasts up to 21-30 days (on average) in host and can live on surfaces for up to a week. So if every single household was to be forced to remain indoors and not be allowed out for 40-50 days, then the virus should be gone, no?

 

What would we rather? No normal life for about 2 months, or see loved ones suffering from this pandemic for a couple years?

 

The government's should be able to fund a delivery service to provide all Canadians households in need to help in this crucial time. Makes more sense than upping the checks for everyone to panic buy at once if you ask me. Unfortunately things need to get out of hand first before a government will consider stepping in to that extent

 

I'm not worried about getting it, but there are family members that I am nervous for if they do get it, and that's what's scaring me

Sounds like this is the best way to beat this virus; shut it out so to speak.  Considering it got here from travellers returning from abroad, would we keep our borders closed until there is a vaccine?  

[Gator]

3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Sounds like this is the best way to beat this virus; shut it out so to speak.  Considering it got here from travellers returning from abroad, would we keep our borders closed until there is a vaccine?  

In this case there would be 0 people allowed out. If they're caught out they are arrested and forced to quarantine. The arresting officer would then need to quarantine and replaced with an uninfected officer. If we want a simple solution there it is. It's a world of money though, so sadly something like this will likely never happen

 

While authorities are out making sure people are all inside, you'll have people delivering food to those in need, some spraying down everything, etc. All workers that are outdoors will have to be tested regularly and keep track of where they go and who they were in contact with.

 

I mean I'm just coming up with this as I write I'm sure someone will prove my theory wrong or explain why itd never happen

Edited March 20, 2020 by Brock Botanen

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Brock Botanen said:

A 21 year old soccer coach died from it, and a guy in his early 30s died from it as well. They're the only 2 I personally know of

Thanks.  Hadn’t heard about those cases.  

[Chris12345]

4 hours ago, shayster007 said:

Been trying to stay away from my phone as much as possible to not get caught in phone loops while social distancing while I'm stuck at home. I had to temporarily (hopefully) close my practice so I have some extra time on my hands. Decided to come check this thread out. What a terrible decision that was.

 

I can't believe there is anyone even questioning why we are supposed to be staying at home.. That is honestly infuriating.

 

Unbelievable.

What practice? Law?

[Ajax-]

59 minutes ago, Brock Botanen said:

The virus lasts up to 21-30 days (on average) in host and can live on surfaces for up to a week. So if every single household was to be forced to remain indoors and not be allowed out for 40-50 days, then the virus should be gone, no?

 

What would we rather? No normal life for about 2 months, or see loved ones suffering from this pandemic for a couple years?

 

The government's should be able to fund a delivery service to provide all Canadians households in need to help in this crucial time. Makes more sense than upping the checks for everyone to panic buy at once if you ask me. Unfortunately things need to get out of hand first before a government will consider stepping in to that extent

 

I'm not worried about getting it, but there are family members that I am nervous for if they do get it, and that's what's scaring me

can live on surfaces for up to a week?

 

Source please 

[Canadian]

29 minutes ago, AbrasiveAjax said:

can live on surfaces for up to a week?

 

Source please 

A few studies so far indicate there is a hypothetical situation involving the virus lasting in the air for a few hours, as well as on surfaces longer. More testing is needed  to see if this applies to real-world application instead of in a lab.

 

 

[Ghostsof1915]

6 hours ago, AV's Coin said:

 I have to cut my own hair 

Mine will just get the hippy look until what August? 

[TheRussianRocket1994]

9 hours ago, Amaneey said:

I work in an ICU in the lower mainland. They are saying that health care professionals who contract the virus from patients actually tend to get a lot sicker, when compared to other people in the same age group and with a similar health history. Possibly because the are in prolonged close contact with these patients who may be undergoing aerolized generating procedures such as intubation, nebulizer or BiPap.

 

We are working pretty short, lots of people coming in on their days off. I think as this progresses people with definitely get burnt out, which decreases their immunity and makes them more prone to getting sick in general.

 

I wish more young and healthy people would take this seriously. We all need to do our part here for the greater good. We can still limit the spread and save lives. I encourage you all to maintain good hand hygiene, keep practicing social distancing, stay away from the hospital if you don't need to be there. Hopefully this thing doesn't go on for much longer, but I have a feeling a lot more people are going to get sick before things get better.

 

 

Thank you for everything!! I'm furious with people who aren't taking this seriously and who aren't following the rules...and have called out a few people in a very blunt way. People need to wake up! 

Edited March 20, 2020 by IRR

[Ghostsof1915]

Pacific Coastal Airlines Suspending operations. 

Guess today is when a lot of the carriers shut down?

Unless it's for cargo. 

 

[TheRussianRocket1994]

A lil something i posted on my FB page this morning. Got in a nasty argument with my cousin / his buddies yesterday...lets just say they're American...

 

While i agree with others about being respectful, kind and working together during this time...i don't for one second regret calling out (even bluntly) people who are being selfish, ignorant, entitled and who aren't following the rules / guidelines set out by the professions / people in charge. Or worse, spewing conspiracies. Their actions / behavior / words are wreckless and dangerous and will only perpetuate this...spreading the virus, making it drastically worse, therefore infecting more people, putting more people (high risk) at risk and in the end there will be more deaths. No matter what some people say, even if someone is older and / or has health issues, their lives still matter!!! They are someone's loved one!! I've heard many many people from around the world, especially nurses plea with others to follow the rules / take this seriosly...and the number one rule they're talking about is social distancing! Because they know the nightmare to come if we don't. People who aren't taking this seriously /aren't following the rules / spewing conspiracy theories nèed to STOP!!!!!

Edited March 20, 2020 by IRR

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15 hours ago, samurai said:

yeah nothing brings people together like rudeness.  

You have to understand, the point isn't to bring people together...it's to keep them apart and, for some, alive.  That sometimes takes being firm and frank in order to get the message across.

 

It's not rude to demand that people follow the guidelines being set out.  It's responsible.

[nuckin_futz]

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"In Iran, every ten minutes one person dies from the coronavirus, 50 get infected." 

 

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"Britain has fewer intensive-care beds than most other European countries" 

 

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7 hours ago, AV's Coin said:

 I have to cut my own hair 

 

20 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Mine will just get the hippy look until what August? 

But @debluvscanucks says it's sexy

 

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[Mackcanuck]

There is still hope!

 

Happy to see some social distancing in practice!

 

And in other parts of the World

 

Edited March 20, 2020 by Mackcanuck

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5 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

 

I so need a dog

[nuckin_futz]

Let's get some positive stories in here for a change...........

 

Stay positive: Here are 23 pieces of good news regarding COVID-19

1. Of about 80,000 people sick from COVID-19 in China, more than 70% have recovered and been discharged from hospitals
Per the World Health Organization last week, "Of the 80,000 reported COVID-19 cases in China, more than 70% have recovered and been discharged."

 

2. Scientists have figured out how the novel coronavirus breaks into human cells, which will help significantly in developing treatments
After scientists revealed the first picture of how the novel coronavirus binds with human respiratory cells to produce more viruses, researchers in China have solidified images all the way down to the level of the atoms at the binding points, according to Live Science. With this news, understanding how the virus enters cells will significantly aid researchers in finding drugs and vaccines to fight the virus.

 

3. Due to high levels of self-quarantine, Codogno, one of the two coronavirus clusters in Italy, has reported significantly fewer infections per day
Compared to 35 cases per day at the beginning of the outbreak, just five new infections were announced last week by Codogno's mayor, Francesco Passerini, according to the U.S. News and World Report. “It is a war. It is a war, but we have every possibility of winning,” Passerini said. “Unlike with our grandfathers, who went physically into battle for our freedom, we are being required to show responsibility — responsibility and calm.”

 

4. Scientists in Canada have made massive breakthroughs in an effort to develop a vaccine
A team of Canadian scientists has finally isolated and grown copies of the coronavirus, which may now help scientists study the pathogen to develop better testing, treatments, vaccines, and gain a better understanding of its biology, the team said in a statement alongside the New York Post.

 

5. China is testing five different vaccine options, claiming it could have a vaccine ready by next month
Eight different institutes in China are working on five different inoculations to battle the novel coronavirus, according to the South China Morning Post. “According to our estimates, we are hopeful that in April some of the vaccines will enter clinical research or be of use in emergency situations,” said Zheng Zhongwei, director of the National Health Commission’s Science and Technology Development Center. While it's true that it would take at least 12 to 18 months to provide a safe vaccine to general public, under Chinese law, they could be released sooner for urgent use in a major public health emergency, provided the benefits outweigh the risks, noted the New York Post.

 

6. Vaccination trials in the U.S. are already underway
A trial of Moderna's vaccine has already kickstarted at Kaiser Permanente under Washington's Health Research Institute in Seattle, of which will hopefully confirm the safety of the vaccine prior to mass production.

 

7. A team of infectious disease experts calculated the fatality rate of Wuhan's coronavirus outbreak is about 1.4%, drastically lower than earlier estimates
While this estimate and data applies directly to Wuhan, where the novel coronavirus outbreak began, it offers a hopeful guide to the rest of the world as it notes significantly lower estimate of earlier stats around 3%. A full breakdown of the data can be found at Stat News.

 

8. Distilleries across the U.S. are making their own hand sanitizers and giving it away for free
Perhaps many Americans can calm down on the panic buying, as according to the Associated Press, distilleries across the country are using high-proof alcohol to make hand sanitizer, and divvying it out for free, or by donation to combat the novel coronavirus.

 

9. Air pollution has plummeted in cities with high numbers of quarantined individuals, Venice's waters are running clear
Analysts from the Washington Post have noted a drastic decrease in major greenhouses gases over Europe as individuals self-quarantine and cars stay parked at home. While it's little comfort to a country ravaged by the novel coronavirus, it highlights the impact humans can make on the environment. "I expect pollution to drop even further as the particles in the atmosphere get either dispersed or absorbed," Emanuele Massetti, an expert on the economics of climate change at Georgia Tech University who has studied Italy's climate policies, told the Washington Post. "In a few days, they will enjoy the cleanest air ever in northern Italy."

 

10. A Johns Hopkins researcher has claimed antibodies from recovered coronavirus patients could help protect people at risk
A treatment that can be made readily available under urgent circumstances, a team from Johns Hopkins alongside many other researchers are studying whether or not the antibodies of those recovered from the coronavirus could help protect at-risk humans from the virus. "Deployment of this option requires no research or development," immunologist Arturo Casadevall told Science Alert. "It could be deployed within a couple of weeks since it relies on standard blood-banking practices." Not to mention, a Japanese pharmaceutical company is nearing approval of the treatment.

 

11. South Korea recoveries are starting to outnumber new infections
Facing the largest epidemic outside of China, South Korea reported more recoveries from the coronavirus than new infections on Friday for the first time since its outbreak emerged in January, as a downward trend in daily cases raised hopes that Asia's biggest epidemic outside China may be slowing, according to India Today.

 

12. China is getting its feet back on the ground, opening parks and athletics, loosening travel restrictions
As the novel coronavirus comes under control in China, parks and tourist attractions have reopened across the country, alongside loosened travel restrictions. "The National Health Commission said on Thursday that the outbreak had passed its peak, and the figures appear to support its claim," said the South China Morning Post. "On Friday, authorities in mainland China reported just 11 new Covid-19 cases, of which four were in Hubei." According to ESPN, even professional basketball has reemerged  in Asia.

 

13. China has also closed its last coronavirus hospital, not enough new cases to support them
China has shut down all 16 temporary coronavirus hospitals in Wuhan as cases of coronavirus have began to dwindle. "The final group of 49 patients walked out of the Wuchang temporary hospital in the capital of Hubei province on Tuesday afternoon to cheers," according to the Xinhua news agency.

 

14. Australian researchers are in the midst of testing two drugs as cures to the virus
Scientists in Australia claim to have identified how the body's immune system fights the novel coronavirus. Published in Nature Medicine journal on Tuesday, the research shows people are recovering from the virus like they would from the flu. "This [discovery] is important because it is the first time where we are really understanding how our immune system fights novel coronavirus," study co-author Prof Katherine Kedzierska told BBC News.

 

15. Numerous businesses have stepped up to solve the crisis
Restaurants, sports, and businesses are all stepping up to combat the community effects of the novel coronavirus. The sports world is raising money for stadium employees, Uber Eats is divvying out free delivery to help independent restaurants, professional soccer players are entertaining viewers with a FIFA tournament, restaurants are doling out free food to those in need, and Bill Gates is funneling out millions of dollars to speed up development of a coronavirus treatment, to name just a few out of dozens.

 

16. Apple, Starbucks reopening all stores in China
While stores and restaurants across the U.S. have closed up shop, both Apple and Starbucks have reopened all of their stores in China as the novel coronavirus spread slows across the country.

 

17. MetroHealthMedical Center has developed a coronavirus test that gives results in hours, not days
"MetroHealth Medical Center becomes the first hospital in the state that can now test COVID-19 samples at its laboratory with results available after just two hours," released News 5 Cleveland. While supplies are limited, it notes a significant step toward expansive testing of the novel coronavirus.

 

18. Scientists in Israel have also noted the potential to annouce development of a coronavirus vaccine within weeks
Israeli scientists are nearing development of the first vaccine to combat the novel coronavirus, according to Science and Technology Minister Ofir Akunis. The vaccine could be ready within a few weeks and available in 90 days, according to a release.

 

19. A San Diego biotech company is developing a coronavirus vaccine in collaboration with Duke University and National University of Singapore
As the race to develop a vaccine for the novel coronavirus continues globally, the San Diego-based biotech company, Arcturus Therapeutics, is working on creating one at its lab. The company is working alongside Duke NUS-Medical School, a partnership between Duke University and the National University of Singapore. While developing a vaccine that works hasn't yet proven impossible, "The major challenge with vaccines is the size of the dose and the feasibility of manufacturing," President and CEO, Joseph Payne, told CBS8.

 

20. A Japanese flu drug has proven effective in treating the novel coronavirus
Zhang Xinmin, an official at China’s science and technology ministry, said favipiravir, developed by a subsidiary of Fujifilm, had produced encouraging outcomes in clinical trials in Wuhan and Shenzhen involving 340 patients, according to The Guardian. “It has a high degree of safety and is clearly effective in treatment,” Zhang told reporters on Tuesday.

 

21. China has reported just one new domestic coronavirus infection for a second day in a row.
"For the second consecutive day there was only one more fresh infection in Wuhan, the central city where the virus first emerged late last year," said the National Health Commission. New cases in surrounding Hubei province have now been in the single digits for the past seven days, down from a peak of several thousand per day in early February, said Daily Mail.

 

22. Communities are coming together to help their neighbors
Neighbors across the country are stepping up to make grocery runs for those who can't leave their homes. Local services have also reached out to the Seattle community to encourage those in need of help, to utilize the opportunities available to them.

 

23. A 103-year-old Chinese grandmother has made a full recovery from COVID-19
After being treated for less than a week, this grandma is going for the gold as the oldest coronavirus patient to recover in China, and motivating elderly across the globe to retain hope.

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@nuckin_futz

Great list!