*Buzzsaw* Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 The reason Hughes has such a poor +/- is because of Green's system. Green has no offensive system for his forwards other than dump and chase.... there is no system to get the puck into the enemy zone in possession.... that is his biggest failure. Every other team in the league has systems to gain of the O-zone, not Green. To compensate, Green encourages his designated defensemen to carry the puck into the zone... which is why you regularly see occasionally Tyler Myers and more often Hughes carry the puck into the zone. The problem is, obviously, that leads to a deficit on the back end unless you have a really well coached set of forwards who know how to replace the rushing D. Since nothing about Green's system is well coached, the result is Hughes gets caught without a back up and the other team scores... hence the really poor +/-. Hughes ranking is all about Green's system, not so much about his own failures. Sure he is a young defenseman and therefore mistakes are to be expected, but most of his plus/minuses come from his designated role as puck carrier... one given to him by Green. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznmonk Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Quinn Hughes is our next Phil Housley Housley Vs Hughes Housley drafted in the first round 6th pick Quinn Hughes drafted first round 7th pick? 5'10 5'10 185 lbs 180 LBS plus-/+ -53 -35 so we are getting a Housley type of player with more upside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznmonk Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 hour ago, *Buzzsaw* said: The reason Hughes has such a poor +/- is because of Green's system. Green has no offensive system for his forwards other than dump and chase.... there is no system to get the puck into the enemy zone in possession.... that is his biggest failure. Every other team in the league has systems to gain of the O-zone, not Green. To compensate, Green encourages his designated defensemen to carry the puck into the zone... which is why you regularly see occasionally Tyler Myers and more often Hughes carry the puck into the zone. The problem is, obviously, that leads to a deficit on the back end unless you have a really well coached set of forwards who know how to replace the rushing D. Since nothing about Green's system is well coached, the result is Hughes gets caught without a back up and the other team scores... hence the really poor +/-. Hughes ranking is all about Green's system, not so much about his own failures. Sure he is a young defenseman and therefore mistakes are to be expected, but most of his plus/minuses come from his designated role as puck carrier... one given to him by Green. right green cant coach.!!!!!!!! Ex... Erik Gudbranson... -48 in his career with the canucks.!!! with other teams.. +/- 0 shows our teacher only teaches kindergartens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, aznmonk said: Quinn Hughes is our next Phil Housley Housley Vs Hughes Housley drafted in the first round 6th pick Quinn Hughes drafted first round 7th pick? 5'10 5'10 185 lbs 180 LBS plus-/+ -53 -35 so we are getting a Housley type of player with more upside? with Green pulling the goalie with 7 minutes left in a game that the Canucks are not generating any offense, I am starting to wonder if there should be anasterix for empty net minus'? Bo Horvat is -6 and Brock is -8 I think those could be wiped if those players were not always on the ice when the 4th or 5th goals are scored with the goalie pulled in 4-1 or 5-1 games it there a fancy stat for this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 Quinn finishes the season with a "Whopping" Minus -24 making him the 3rd worst defenceman and 7th worst +/- player in the entire National Hockey League out of 913 players. Hopefully our upcoming brand new Coaching staff can teach him how to play defense next year so those 41 points actually mean something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 41 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said: Quinn finishes the season with a "Whopping" Minus -24 making him the 3rd worst defenceman and 7th worst +/- player in the entire National Hockey League out of 913 players. Hopefully our upcoming brand new Coaching staff can teach him how to play defense next year so those 41 points actually mean something. Or balance the team better, use Eriksson with Hughes more now when Tanevs gone. So find the defence minded forward that can keep defence intact when Hughes go for a walk. We must have someone that can fill the role of Eriksson/Tanev since Eriksson is almost out of the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Meh. Those kind of numbers happen when you spend half the season hot dogging for points and playing zero defence. Hughes didn’t even attempt back checking until about 20 games in. I really like Quinn and think he can be an amazing all around dman, but that kids game has A LOT of growing up to do. Too many games he reminded me of a super skilled Jordan Subban. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 hours ago, drummerboy said: Meh. Those kind of numbers happen when you spend half the season hot dogging for points and playing zero defence. Hughes didn’t even attempt back checking until about 20 games in. I really like Quinn and think he can be an amazing all around dman, but that kids game has A LOT of growing up to do. Too many games he reminded me of a super skilled Jordan Subban. He did play it like it was a contract year. Get points at any cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 With the gift of hindsight, it really isn't all that surprising that he had a bad +/- this year. He's always going to be the type of player that makes himself a defensive liability from time to time. It's the nature of his game. Sure, he can stand to improve things on the defensive side of things, but we don't want him changing his entire game in order to compensate either. Last year we had Tanev and (to a lesser extent) Stetch to help insulate him. We're going to have to find someone that can play that role long term. In order for Quinn to do his thing, he has to be able to rely on someone to cover his ass when things don't work out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Quin Hughes needs a Big mean defensive type as his partner . Problem is when you have small forwards combined with small D men you tend to loose a lot of puck battles . Bigger teams win, small teams do well in the regular season but fade in the playoffs . Your players that can make a difference in the playoffs play in the corners.. As much as I like our team we are not built for the playoffs. A change is needed in the back end. Schmidt is not the type of D we need. Edler is too old . the type of D we need is, looking at Tampa, Cernak , Rutta , Sergachev, By the way all three JB could have had in free agency drafted or traded for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Timråfan said: Or balance the team better, use Eriksson with Hughes more now when Tanevs gone. So find the defence minded forward that can keep defence intact when Hughes go for a walk. We must have someone that can fill the role of Eriksson/Tanev since Eriksson is almost out of the equation. Hughes is fine as he gets older and more mature he will get better . Better defensive partner would help Hamonic is ok but Cernak would be a better fit. Tampa needs cap space so there is a window of opportunity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 On 5/5/2021 at 3:54 PM, *Buzzsaw* said: The reason Hughes has such a poor +/- is because of Green's system. No, sorry not gonna blame his poor positioning and constant Edler shin shots on Coaching. the odd man rushes are on his line his side and his poor positioning. The kid needs to read the ice. And having Edler has your only Mentor...that sux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Hughes is great offensively, nobody will argue that. He must improve defensively, he was awful this year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Quinn is 21 years old. Get your heads out of your asses 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyLow_ Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 hours ago, vannuck59 said: Hughes is fine as he gets older and more mature he will get better . Better defensive partner would help Hamonic is ok but Cernak would be a better fit. Tampa needs cap space so there is a window of opportunity. Cernak isn't a top pairing defender. Savard is and they won't be able to sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 On 5/5/2021 at 3:54 PM, *Buzzsaw* said: The reason Hughes has such a poor +/- is because of Green's system. Green has no offensive system for his forwards other than dump and chase.... there is no system to get the puck into the enemy zone in possession.... that is his biggest failure. Every other team in the league has systems to gain of the O-zone, not Green. To compensate, Green encourages his designated defensemen to carry the puck into the zone... which is why you regularly see occasionally Tyler Myers and more often Hughes carry the puck into the zone. The problem is, obviously, that leads to a deficit on the back end unless you have a really well coached set of forwards who know how to replace the rushing D. Since nothing about Green's system is well coached, the result is Hughes gets caught without a back up and the other team scores... hence the really poor +/-. Hughes ranking is all about Green's system, not so much about his own failures. Sure he is a young defenseman and therefore mistakes are to be expected, but most of his plus/minuses come from his designated role as puck carrier... one given to him by Green. QH is a poor defensemen because he can't play defense. Be cool to see him try a forward position though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 While playing on one of the worst teams in the nhl why is anyone surprised. The defensive structure of this team is terrible. he’s a young offensive DMan that’s what he was and why we drafted him. until there’s actually a system, more forward support and he gets more experience. isn’t he one of the assets leaders? so what’s worse a young dman that’s still doing what got him drafted (racking up points) or a guy that can no longer score but looks ok defensively. we wanted a gifted play making dman we got it he’ll get better on the d side geez isn’t this his second season and he lost his stable parent net in tanev . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 9 hours ago, vannuck59 said: Cernak , Rutta , Sergachev, By the way all three JB could have had in free agency drafted or traded for. Cernak was passed over 42 times in the 2015 draft. Benning should've dropped Boeser and drafted Cernak. Same goes for Andrew Mangiapane that went 166th overall... can't believe that Benning passed on him too, what a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Strap Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Yes! Hughes is #1 at something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Strap Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 On 5/20/2021 at 12:57 PM, Devron44 said: Quinn is 21 years old. Get your heads out of your asses Ah damn! You guys need to tone down the criticism cause daddy Hughes is in da house and his baby is nursing in the other room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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