[Edited] Bottom 5 Finish Now in Reach!

[oldnews]

6 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said:

Agree.   Under NO circumstance should any of the OLD contracts be renewed.   We need to rejuvenate the bottom 6 and a couple of D.......not to mention getting rid of Lazy Jake.

disagree.  

Edler remains extremely important / and will not be easy to replace by any stretch of the imagination.  He signed a team friendly deal last time - if he does so again he's a borderline no-brainer imo. 

And if Hamonic is willing to return at comparable terms to what he signed for - he could be important/good depth.

There are a few good bottom six centers expiring - but I also would not rule out re-signing Sutter if he comes at reasonable terms.  There are no real succession plans ready to step into a 3C role - so if it's not Sutter - you need to go to the market regardless.

 

I move on from Pearson.  Move on from Benn - and ideally, would move Roussel.

Edited March 28, 2021 by oldnews

[Provost]

6 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Need to basically take 4 out of 6 in their final games against Edmonton. Do that and they have a chance.

People keep coming up with fancy ways to say we need to play .750 hockey the rest of the season to even be in the mix.

Edmonton is 8 games above .500 and we are 2 games below .500

Catching up 2 games on them doesn't really do much for our chances.  We only have 19 games left to play.... if you take away those 6 games (with us winning 4 in regulation), we have 13 games and would still be 2 wins back of them and they would still have 2 games in hand.

[flickyoursedin]

Also Montreal will be getting Cole Caufield into their lineup. That’s adding another 2-3 line scoring winger into the lineup. Can’t see us catching them at this point. It’s just not realistic to see these teams playing so bad for the last 20 games when up to date their winning percentages are all above 50%.

[lmm]

On 3/26/2021 at 3:34 PM, grandmaster said:

So Eric Staal plus 50% salary retention nets a 3rd and 5th.

 

Ya, good luck to JB trying to get something for expiring contracts by this trade deadline 

Eric Staal

4 years older than Sutter 36-32 years

doesn't PK

2 more points

3 less goals

48% on the dot

this years minus is more than Sutter's career minus (not sure how good that stat is haha)

 

If Jim doesn't "run out of time" he could probably get the same return

 

The Habs are turning into the 67 Leafs, I wonder if they are going to pick up Marleau and try for Chara

Edited March 29, 2021 by lmm

[DeNiro]

1 hour ago, Provost said:

People keep coming up with fancy ways to say we need to play .750 hockey the rest of the season to even be in the mix.

Edmonton is 8 games above .500 and we are 2 games below .500

Catching up 2 games on them doesn't really do much for our chances.  We only have 19 games left to play.... if you take away those 6 games (with us winning 4 in regulation), we have 13 games and would still be 2 wins back of them and they would still have 2 games in hand.

Again that was counting on a loss to the Leafs coming up.

 

Basically take 4 of 6 and then get 5 more points than them in the remaining 13 we have vs 14 they have.

 

So basically like 8-3-2 in those other 13 games and have them go like 6-7-1. Some might consider that a long shot but I’m still holding on to hope.

We’re gonna need a team to go into a slump if we have a chance. Gonna be doing a lot of scoreboard watching down the stretch.

[aGENT]

3 hours ago, oldnews said:

disagree.  

Edler remains extremely important / and will not be easy to replace by any stretch of the imagination.  He signed a team friendly deal last time - if he does so again he's a borderline no-brainer imo. 

And if Hamonic is willing to return at comparable terms to what he signed for - he could be important/good depth.

There are a few good bottom six centers expiring - but I also would not rule out re-signing Sutter if he comes at reasonable terms.  There are no real succession plans ready to step into a 3C role - so if it's not Sutter - you need to go to the market regardless.

 

I move on from Pearson.  Move on from Benn - and ideally, would move Roussel.

[granpappy]

1 hour ago, DeNiro said:

Again that was counting on a loss to the Leafs coming up.

 

Basically take 4 of 6 and then get 5 more points than them in the remaining 13 we have vs 14 they have.

 

So basically like 8-3-2 in those other 13 games and have them go like 6-7-1. Some might consider that a long shot but I’m still holding on to hope.

We’re gonna need a team to go into a slump if we have a chance. Gonna be doing a lot of scoreboard watching down the stretch.

im sure you wont have to watch for long

[wallstreetamigo]

9 hours ago, oldnews said:

disagree.  

Edler remains extremely important / and will not be easy to replace by any stretch of the imagination.  He signed a team friendly deal last time - if he does so again he's a borderline no-brainer imo. 

And if Hamonic is willing to return at comparable terms to what he signed for - he could be important/good depth.

There are a few good bottom six centers expiring - but I also would not rule out re-signing Sutter if he comes at reasonable terms.  There are no real succession plans ready to step into a 3C role - so if it's not Sutter - you need to go to the market regardless.

 

I move on from Pearson.  Move on from Benn - and ideally, would move Roussel.

What do you think the max dollars/term should be to keep Sutter?

[Makaramel MacKhiato]

12 hours ago, lmm said:

Eric Staal

4 years older than Sutter 36-32 years

doesn't PK

2 more points

3 less goals

48% on the dot

this years minus is more than Sutter's career minus (not sure how good that stat is haha)

 

If Jim doesn't "run out of time" he could probably get the same return

 

The Habs are turning into the 67 Leafs, I wonder if they are going to pick up Marleau and try for Chara

Jim often seems to run out of time

[IBatch]

16 hours ago, oldnews said:

disagree.  

Edler remains extremely important / and will not be easy to replace by any stretch of the imagination.  He signed a team friendly deal last time - if he does so again he's a borderline no-brainer imo. 

And if Hamonic is willing to return at comparable terms to what he signed for - he could be important/good depth.

There are a few good bottom six centers expiring - but I also would not rule out re-signing Sutter if he comes at reasonable terms.  There are no real succession plans ready to step into a 3C role - so if it's not Sutter - you need to go to the market regardless.

 

I move on from Pearson.  Move on from Benn - and ideally, would move Roussel.

This pretty much exactly.   It's why at least some of us were excited with the idea of OEL with retention, because he'd replace Edler long term - and also why JB engaged in the first place.    Edler, Myers and Schmidt, like it or not, form the backbone of our D.   OJ looked the best with Myers, and if you paid attention Tyler was often yelling at OJ to take his man or go to certain areas.  

 

Edler reminds me a little of Kronwall in Detroit, a contract that eventually turned into an anchor for them, but for them at least, they had nobody else (Green lol) and needed his veteran leadership.   Edler and Schmidt have become our heavy minute line, not unlike Hamhuis and Bieksa as far as role goes, of course not the same either.    As far as re-signing Edler have mixed feelings, don't think he's going to keep up the 6 million dollar value at his age, he's lost his spot on the PP, but let's face it, it was never his best attribute anyways.

 

  QHs is here now.   Already one of the best PP puck moving specialists in the league.   And he's a key part of our D, but not the same and never will be.   He's something else entirely.   And for our D to be successful, QHs needs to bulk up more, and he also has to be insulated.   I'd bet 2-3 of his minutes are all about trying to tie the game or play catch up.    Most of the time it just ended up worse for the team though.   Hamonic has settled this down quite a bit.   QHs needs to outscore our opposition to be effective, why in very anxious of the idea of adding Rathbone and why I understand Stetcher and all his heart, needed to go.   

 

Back to Edler.   At this point he shouldn't be offered more then two years, ideally one at at time.   5 seems fair.   More then that ... well i suppose it might work.  Either that or a 3.5 x 4 type deal, with the expectation he's going to end up on the third paring eventually, which would be ideal for the club and its aspirations to contend for a cup.   No thanks to the Kronwall special, that contract would kill us. 

 

Edit:  Agree Pearson should go.   Not because he can't play and isn't valuable because he is kind of,  but because again if we are going to contend we need better wingers for Horvat, quite a bit better.   Hogs is awesome.   Probably the best bang for the buck outside of EP and QHs this year,  hopefully Podz has a similar impact.   He's a puck hound like Motte, who's also the best bang for the buck and truly believe, if given the chance, would make our second line one tough hard working one, and that he'd produce more then Pearson too. 

 

Motte or Podz make Pearson expendable, he's skating soon so there still is a chance we can trade him.   We should trade him.    Motte to me is this teams version of Burrows possibly, just a little late getting there, or at least Hamhuis.   Worth a shot to see how it goes, but get he's so valuable in the bottom six he might never get that chance too.   If we are going to contend, Horvat needs better wingers,  and we are missing two blue chip D's.   Hamonic is a decent stop gap.   OJ might be one of them.   Tree might come back (he'd make way way more money here even at 2 million US).... sure worth a tryout.  But not holding my breath either. 

 

 

Edited March 29, 2021 by IBatch

[IBatch]

13 hours ago, aGENT said:

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, IBatch said:

Agree Pearson should go.   Not because he can't play and isn't valuable because he is kind of,  but because again if we are going to contend we need better wingers for Horvat, quite a bit better.   Hogs is awesome.   Probably the best bang for the buck outside of EP and QHs this year,  hopefully Podz has a similar impact.   He's a puck hound like Motte, who's also the best bang for the buck and truly believe, if given the chance, would make our second line one tough hard working one, and that he'd produce more then Pearson too. 

 

I'd entertain bringing Pearson back (at a hit more appropriate to a third line pay scale) so long as we could move Roussel out.

 

I agree Podkolzin is the long term solution there but it would be nice to have the flexibility to swap Podz/Pearson on the 2nd and 3rd lines depending on game situation, injuries, performance etc. 

[JM_]

1 minute ago, aGENT said:

 

I'd entertain bringing Pearson back (at a hit more appropriate to a third line pay scale) so long as we could move Roussel out.

 

I agree Podkolzin is the long term solution there but it would be nice to have the flexibility to swap Podz/Pearson on the 2nd and 3rd lines depending on game situation, injuries, performance etc. 

I'm getting a Baer contract vibe from this one. I think we need to move on for cap, youth and maybe better options being available due to expansion and covid. There's no reason to rush a Pearson deal at all, I really hope we see what else comes up and if he walks oh well, it gives the Benning haters another UFA to fume over. 

[aGENT]

10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I'm getting a Baer contract vibe from this one. I think we need to move on for cap, youth and maybe better options being available due to expansion and covid. There's no reason to rush a Pearson deal at all, I really hope we see what else comes up and if he walks oh well, it gives the Benning haters another UFA to fume over. 

Oh yeah, no rush. Can definitely be handled after the ED etc, if he's back at all. 2-3 years at +/- $2.5'ish.

 

But yeah, I too am hopeful Benning can unearth a 3C and/or RD ahead of expansion from a team set to lose them.

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Oh yeah, no rush. Can definitely be handled after the ED etc, if he's back at all. 2-3 years at +/- $2.5'ish.

 

But yeah, I too am hopeful Benning can unearth a 3C and/or RD ahead of expansion from a team set to lose them.

yup, Pears should be down the list a ways in terms of timing. But I don't want to see a multi-year deal again, we just don't have to. If someone wants to give him term, I say congrats and go take it. 

 

With all the recent freaking out over past and present UFAs, its funny that the idea of waking away as your best option never comes up. Sometimes a simple moving on from a player is the way to go. 

 

By all means, move him for a pick if at all possible, but lets limit the potential for multi-year mistakes now. 

[BPA]

On the radio this morning, guest speaker Drance mentioned that if Canucks can clear up about $5M cap space, and then place Ferland on IR, then the Canucks could pay the bonuses to QH (or something like that).  Mentioned EP probably not getting it since he's unlikely to hit the targets.  Specifically mentioned trading Pearson and Benn (in his example).

 

So JB needs to make some trades to get more cap space for next season.

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

yup, Pears should be down the list a ways in terms of timing. But I don't want to see a multi-year deal again, we just don't have to. If someone wants to give him term, I say congrats and go take it. 

 

With all the recent freaking out over past and present UFAs, its funny that the idea of waking away as your best option never comes up. Sometimes a simple moving on from a player is the way to go. 

 

By all means, move him for a pick if at all possible, but lets limit the potential for multi-year mistakes now. 

At this point, Pearson probably has more bargaining power with a team like OTT or Detroit, or ANA, and think that's probably where he will end up.   Sure JB said the right things and supported him a few weeks ago, he did the same thing with Tanev, Markstrom and TT who wasn't here long too.   Agree his only value at this point is as a third liner or to keep the spot warm until Podz or even Motte can ascend.   Or maybe Lind.   And BTW, there at NINE LWs not including Landeskog who's for sure staying,  Hall, and Ovi ranked higher then Pearson.   Guys above him include Coleman and Hyman.   And Hoffman. And RNH.   No we won't have a bunch of bank to throw at anyone, to me at least Pearson doesn't have a lot of bargaining power, and will be lucky to stay in the league another three years.  Teams would rather go somewhere else or just see what they have in the system.  Including our team.   

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, BPA said:

On the radio this morning, guest speaker Drance mentioned that if Canucks can clear up about $5M cap space, and then place Ferland on IR, then the Canucks could pay the bonuses to QH (or something like that).  Mentioned EP probably not getting it since he's unlikely to hit the targets.  Specifically mentioned trading Pearson and Benn (in his example).

 

So JB needs to make some trades to get more cap space for next season.

Too many variables.   And if Drance is anything like some of the drama queens i've seen on here, maybe he's penciled in both QHs and EP at over 8.... not going to happen.    Drance makes drama where none exists.   Maybe to keep folks clicking on his stuff i don't know, but wouldn't call him a credible source for much other then saying the obvious and trying to make a story where none exists.    Math is math.   If anyone is sad we didn't spend 80 million on the guys we let go, but also wasn't looking at what we had to do this year they aren't seeing the picture very clearly.   JB did.  And won't see me complaining about it either.     Yes maybe next year you will.   But not yet.    Also as an aside,  Hall is going to come at a big discount, so don't be surprised to see us in the running for him.   

[IBatch]

For anyone who's curious.   We should be looking at 2022 UFAs to complete the rebuild.   Or to boost the playoff team we have next year.   Has anyone looked at that?   Just curious.    Next year we have ANA, SJ, LA the central plus maybe or maybe not Seattle to beat on (still get ARI in the central lol).... there is absolutely no way we won't make the show next year with the same roster we have now in that division.   Year after that JB gets to open up his wallet and sign a bunch of guys again.   Who do you see coming!   They are coming.  Parayoko....this year Schwartz is interesting if we can shoe horn him in too...

Edited March 29, 2021 by IBatch

[BPA]

10 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Too many variables.   And if Drance is anything like some of the drama queens i've seen on here, maybe he's penciled in both QHs and EP at over 8.... not going to happen.    Drance makes drama where none exists.   Maybe to keep folks clicking on his stuff i don't know, but wouldn't call him a credible source for much other then saying the obvious and trying to make a story where none exists.    Math is math.   If anyone is sad we didn't spend 80 million on the guys we let go, but also wasn't looking at what we had to do this year they aren't seeing the picture very clearly.   JB did.  And won't see me complaining about it either.     Yes maybe next year you will.   But not yet.    Also as an aside,  Hall is going to come at a big discount, so don't be surprised to see us in the running for him.   

Think this was more about ELC bonuses be can paid for this season by making these moves instead of pushing it out to next season (thereby reducing the overall cap).  Some posters in CDC mentioned about those bonuses in other threads.