“New World Order”

[erkayloomeh]

1 hour ago, DrJockitch said:

1.  The ultimate truth about the two mRNA vaccines is that they are generally safe and certainly much safer than living in a pandemic as nasty as the Delta pandemic without being vaccinated.  There are a fairly high number of minor side effects, mostly fever, sore arm and headache.  The serious side effect profile is actually excellent with very rare serious cases.  It seems like more cases and more frequently than other vaccines because a number of factors including a massive vaccine roll-out that is immunizing hundreds of millions of people over a few months in an environment where there is a well organized very aggressive anti-vaxx movement that has been honing their online bullying skills.  Add to that massive disinformation campaigns out of China, Russia and Republicana.  These add up to people being worried about something they are in more danger driving too than getting.

As a general comment though mRNA vaccines have 15 years of study, this is just the first commercial use.  Was there an urgency to release yes, that urgency is called a pandemic.

2.  The effectiveness of these vaccines is striking, it truly is amazing how effective it has been.  Yes you can test positive after getting vaccine sometimes even get an active infection though this is exceedingly rare and almost all those cases are in the immunocompromised, morbidly obese or frail category.  Breakthrough infections are actually quite rare and there is lots of easily accessible data on that.  But the simple answer as to why so many cases are coming out is that they are in the unvaccinated and Delta is a nasty piece of work.

3.  Is it over-reach to protect your citizens?  I don't trust the government either but protecting citizens seems to be their core role.

 

I want to be very careful about commenting on your mom as none of this is meant with any pejorative intent but vaccines don't mess the immune system up they boost it.  The immune system has the capacity to handle 10,000 vaccines at once but man you would be uncomfortable.  Now some auto-immune issues can result from this but that is a different story.  I would be careful about making blanket health decisions based on the suspicions of your sister, especially ones that put you and yours at significant risk of illness and passing illness to others.  Regardless, comparing a flu shot to an mRNA vaccine is like comparing an apples to a red Ferrari.  One obvious similarity but nothing else is the same.

Thank you

what happened to my mom was that she had a flu shot and got sick from it and didnt recover. she then was diagnosed with an auto immune disease called dermatomyositis which is an auto immune disease.  They told us that no one lived longer than 5 yrs from this. she lived 6 yrs but it was a horrible six.  near the end the nurses had been given instructions to cut her pain killers in half but it was doubled by mistake and she went out. the doctor told us this was her disease taking over and she was near the end, but she was actually severely dehydrated. ( my sister asked an internal specialist friend to come check her out)   he got her into emerge and hooked up to IV to get fluids into her and she came to. we were encouraged.  That specialist explained to us there were two forms of this disease and she had the lesser one and if she had of been treated properly she would have a normal life . we were encouraged again. but she was never the same. wouldnt talk or laugh or anything   was cold no matter what i did to warm her.  she wouldnt eat and just kept saying she wants to go home (heaven). i think it was about two weeks after coming to that she died.  

So I'm not solely blaming this instance on my reservation to get the vaccine, but its a factor.

I am trying to do the right thing i am just having a hard time knowing what to believe anymore and while I appreciate your explanation and trust your sincerity there is also alot to the contrary. Are you a doctor? 

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, erkayloomeh said:

Thank you

what happened to my mom was that she had a flu shot and got sick from it and didnt recover. she then was diagnosed with an auto immune disease called dermatomyositis which is an auto immune disease.  They told us that no one lived longer than 5 yrs from this. she lived 6 yrs but it was a horrible six.  near the end the nurses had been given instructions to cut her pain killers in half but it was doubled by mistake and she went out. the doctor told us this was her disease taking over and she was near the end, but she was actually severely dehydrated. ( my sister asked an internal specialist friend to come check her out)   he got her into emerge and hooked up to IV to get fluids into her and she came to. we were encouraged.  That specialist explained to us there were two forms of this disease and she had the lesser one and if she had of been treated properly she would have a normal life . we were encouraged again. but she was never the same. wouldnt talk or laugh or anything   was cold no matter what i did to warm her.  she wouldnt eat and just kept saying she wants to go home (heaven). i think it was about two weeks after coming to that she died.  

So I'm not solely blaming this instance on my reservation to get the vaccine, but its a factor.

I am trying to do the right thing i am just having a hard time knowing what to believe anymore and while I appreciate your explanation and trust your sincerity there is also alot to the contrary. Are you a doctor? 

Maybe a trip to your personal physician is the best place to get guidance on this matter?  

[erkayloomeh]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Maybe a trip to your personal physician is the best place to get guidance on this matter?  

I trust him. I'm not sure I want to take up an appointment with him though as he's so busy and hard to get into. Maybe ill meet you guys at the home opener and wear my "I love Jesus" tshirt and you guys can take me outside and beat the crap out of me then ill have an excuse to go see him. 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, erkayloomeh said:

I trust him. I'm not sure I want to take up an appointment with him though as he's so busy and hard to get into. Maybe ill meet you guys at the home opener and wear my "I love Jesus" tshirt and you guys can take me outside and beat the crap out of me then ill have an excuse to go see him. 

I'll be on my scooter.  You can hop on the back, and we can speed (8kph is fast!) to your escape.  

[erkayloomeh]

Just now, Alflives said:

I'll be on my scooter.  You can hop on the back, and we can speed (8kph is fast!) to your escape.  

I would not put you in harms way Alf. You would be seen as a co conspirator and beaten also. 

[DrJockitch]

14 minutes ago, erkayloomeh said:

Thank you

what happened to my mom was that she had a flu shot and got sick from it and didnt recover. she then was diagnosed with an auto immune disease called dermatomyositis which is an auto immune disease.  They told us that no one lived longer than 5 yrs from this. she lived 6 yrs but it was a horrible six.  near the end the nurses had been given instructions to cut her pain killers in half but it was doubled by mistake and she went out. the doctor told us this was her disease taking over and she was near the end, but she was actually severely dehydrated. ( my sister asked an internal specialist friend to come check her out)   he got her into emerge and hooked up to IV to get fluids into her and she came to. we were encouraged.  That specialist explained to us there were two forms of this disease and she had the lesser one and if she had of been treated properly she would have a normal life . we were encouraged again. but she was never the same. wouldnt talk or laugh or anything   was cold no matter what i did to warm her.  she wouldnt eat and just kept saying she wants to go home (heaven). i think it was about two weeks after coming to that she died.  

So I'm not solely blaming this instance on my reservation to get the vaccine, but its a factor.

I am trying to do the right thing i am just having a hard time knowing what to believe anymore and while I appreciate your explanation and trust your sincerity there is also alot to the contrary. Are you a doctor? 

Sorry to hear about your mom. That sounds horrible.

Was a bench scientist, doing a lot of research in a similar field to the mRNA development.  Even studied a similar system for developing monoclonal antibodies.  Have been doctor for last 15 years.

That being said, any comments made are not meant as direct medical advice but more personal and scientific (CYA statement).

[JM_]

2 hours ago, erkayloomeh said:

I trust him. I'm not sure I want to take up an appointment with him though as he's so busy and hard to get into. Maybe ill meet you guys at the home opener and wear my "I love Jesus" tshirt and you guys can take me outside and beat the crap out of me then ill have an excuse to go see him. 

I suspect he'd be very happy to talk to you about this. There's a lot of information about the vaccine risks, and the risks of not taking it, that I'm sure he can help you with. You could even try using the Telus Health app on your phone and talk to a doctor that way first, and then talk to your GP. If you get the same advice, maybe that will help you trust the advice a bit more. Just a thought.

 

I would never want to harm you for your beliefs. Only if you tried to force it on me or my family would I have an issue. 

[erkayloomeh]

1 hour ago, JM_ said:

I suspect he'd be very happy to talk to you about this. There's a lot of information about the vaccine risks, and the risks of not taking it, that I'm sure he can help you with. You could even try using the Telus Health app on your phone and talk to a doctor that way first, and then talk to your GP. If you get the same advice, maybe that will help you trust the advice a bit more. Just a thought.

 

I would never want to harm you for your beliefs. Only if you tried to force it on me or my family would I have an issue. 

Since I was posting earlier I've been watching YouTube doctors     I'm going to be more open to the idea. It's funny how controversial this is. I've been anti vaccine so far but don't hold it against anyone who gets it.  

Thanks for the advise   I will call my doctor but the last few times I've seen him it's been a minimum of 6 weeks. 

Is that telus app the one that was called Babylon and then they changed the name?

[Ilunga]

16 hours ago, erkayloomeh said:

I'm curious about something.  What made you come to that conclusion about the Bible.? 

What is the time frame over which it was written? How many authors are there and how did it manage to survive that whole time frame which it was put together. And given the last book was written over 1900 years ago why is it still in print and believed as the word of God by millions today. 

If it is fiction as you say then that is truly amazing . 

So which Bible are we talking about ?

The first testament or the second ?

 

We will start with the second as you have stated a book that was written 1900 years ago.

 

That book consists of four stories/ gospels as the faithful call them,about a person called Jesus's life by four of the people who supposedly knew him.

 

How where those 4 stories chosen ?

And why where others left out ?

Let's just say the  machinations of the council of Nicaea would make Machiavelli blush.

 

And if such a person as Jesus existed and had the impact that he did why is there no other mentions of him apart from a minor one by Josephus and another by Tacitus close to a 100 years after his supposed death.

 

Now humans can find anyway to rationalise their beliefs and far be it from me to disillusion you.

However I like facts and the facts don't stack up. 

 

People need things to believe in however people believing what you believe have and are still persecuting others in the name of those beliefs.

 

And that pisses me off.

 

[Ilunga]

15 hours ago, erkayloomeh said:

If I were not a Christian I think my approach to the vaccine would be the same. 

My sister's an RN and claims my mom died from her flu shot. It screwed up her immune system apparently.  Also have lost faith/trust in our governments.  

I'm glad you used the term "some" .  That's my point in not wanting us all painted with the same brush. 

If there was something definitive that unquestionably proved the bible was God inspired that would eliminate the term faith.

 

What's your perception on why some Christians are against the vaccine based on biblical beliefs.?

Hey Brother sorry to hear about your mother.

 

My mother was a devout Christian and a highly intelligent,kind compassionate person.

 

There are good ,bad and everything in-between in every group of people.

 

At a congregational  level I can see some of the benefits of those sharing religious beliefs.

As long as those beliefs do not impact others in a negative manner.

Edited September 14, 2021 by Ilunga

[erkayloomeh]

7 hours ago, Ilunga said:

Hey Brother sorry to hear about your mother.

 

My mother was a devout Christian and a highly intelligent,kind compassionate person.

 

There are good ,bad and everything in-between in every group of people.

 

At a congregational  level I can see some of the benefits of those sharing religious beliefs.

As long as those beliefs do not impact others in a negative manner.

It seems by some of the things said on this site that Christians have a bad name and dont treat others to good.  To me, the term Christian means your a follower of Christ. So you act and treat others the way he would have you do that. If you read about the life of Christ in the new testament you will notice the individuals he mainly had a problem with were the religious. In fact it was the church that were demanding his crucifiction and Pilot (government)didnt want to do it because he was innocent. My point is that to me there is a difference between someone who is actually living there life to try to reflect Christ and a religious person.  A good verse to look at is "they will know us by our love". 

Like I said before, sitting in a church doesnt make you a Christian anymore than sitting in a garage makes you a car. Unfortunately the ones who are out there doing alot of good things dont get the attention of the public like the loud mouths and people like the prosperity gospel likes and such who are in it for the money. Just like the people Jesus chased out of the temple with a whip. 

Cheers. And thank you for the comment about my mom. 

[Ilunga]

3 minutes ago, erkayloomeh said:

It seems by some of the things said on this site that Christians have a bad name and dont treat others to good.  To me, the term Christian means your a follower of Christ. So you act and treat others the way he would have you do that. If you read about the life of Christ in the new testament you will notice the individuals he mainly had a problem with were the religious. In fact it was the church that were demanding his crucifiction and Pilot (government)didnt want to do it because he was innocent. My point is that to me there is a difference between someone who is actually living there life to try to reflect Christ and a religious person.  A good verse to look at is "they will know us by our love". 

Like I said before, sitting in a church doesnt make you a Christian anymore than sitting in a garage makes you a car. Unfortunately the ones who are out there doing alot of good things dont get the attention of the public like the loud mouths and people like the prosperity gospel likes and such who are in it for the money. Just like the people Jesus chased out of the temple with a whip. 

Cheers. And thank you for the comment about my mom. 

I was force fed Christs life story for over a decade.

I have made it a point to study all religions.

As I have pointed out earlier in this thread all these religions can be traced back to the Horus,Isis Osiris allegory.

They all contain the same key themes.

 

The Egyptians were smart enough to know their allegories were just that,a story that can reveal a hidden meaning.

Unfortunately Christians think their allegories are historical fact.

 

[JM_]

16 hours ago, erkayloomeh said:

Since I was posting earlier I've been watching YouTube doctors     I'm going to be more open to the idea. It's funny how controversial this is. I've been anti vaccine so far but don't hold it against anyone who gets it.  

Thanks for the advise   I will call my doctor but the last few times I've seen him it's been a minimum of 6 weeks. 

Is that telus app the one that was called Babylon and then they changed the name?

thats the app. Its really good, we've used it a few times over the last year, its really easy to set something up quickly. 

 

You may be able to set up a call with your GP easier than in-person as well. I just did that with mine for a regular blood work request, didn't have to go in. 

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by JM_

[drummer4now]

6 hours ago, erkayloomeh said:

It seems by some of the things said on this site that Christians have a bad name and dont treat others to good.  To me, the term Christian means your a follower of Christ. So you act and treat others the way he would have you do that. If you read about the life of Christ in the new testament you will notice the individuals he mainly had a problem with were the religious. In fact it was the church that were demanding his crucifiction and Pilot (government)didnt want to do it because he was innocent. My point is that to me there is a difference between someone who is actually living there life to try to reflect Christ and a religious person.  A good verse to look at is "they will know us by our love". 

Like I said before, sitting in a church doesnt make you a Christian anymore than sitting in a garage makes you a car. Unfortunately the ones who are out there doing alot of good things dont get the attention of the public like the loud mouths and people like the prosperity gospel likes and such who are in it for the money. Just like the people Jesus chased out of the temple with a whip. 

Cheers. And thank you for the comment about my mom. 

You're smart man for believing in God and Christ..

 

I never understood why anti-religious people think it is their business to tell other people who or what they should worship.

They mostly want people to not worship anyone and just believe in man made science....  

 

Do you honestly expect people to believe in Neil Degresse Tyson or a book that has survived through tests of time. 

IF there is an afterlife I hope you find peace and prosperity there. 

[bishopshodan]

5 minutes ago, drummer4now said:

Do you honestly expect people to believe in Neil Degresse Tyson or a book that has survived through tests of time.

I believe Neil exists. 

[JM_]

20 minutes ago, drummer4now said:

You're smart man for believing in God and Christ..

 

I never understood why anti-religious people think it is their business to tell other people who or what they should worship.

They mostly want people to not worship anyone and just believe in man made science....  

 

Do you honestly expect people to believe in Neil Degresse Tyson or a book that has survived through tests of time. 

IF there is an afterlife I hope you find peace and prosperity there. 

yeah... people don't care what you choose to believe, just don't make your personal beliefs the cornerstone of my daughters healthcare rights. e.g. 

 

There is no conflict between religion and science. They seek very different answers. 

[stawns]

 

[stawns]

8 hours ago, erkayloomeh said:

It seems by some of the things said on this site that Christians have a bad name and dont treat others to good.  To me, the term Christian means your a follower of Christ. So you act and treat others the way he would have you do that. If you read about the life of Christ in the new testament you will notice the individuals he mainly had a problem with were the religious. In fact it was the church that were demanding his crucifiction and Pilot (government)didnt want to do it because he was innocent. My point is that to me there is a difference between someone who is actually living there life to try to reflect Christ and a religious person.  A good verse to look at is "they will know us by our love". 

Like I said before, sitting in a church doesnt make you a Christian anymore than sitting in a garage makes you a car. Unfortunately the ones who are out there doing alot of good things dont get the attention of the public like the loud mouths and people like the prosperity gospel likes and such who are in it for the money. Just like the people Jesus chased out of the temple with a whip. 

Cheers. And thank you for the comment about my mom. 

I am a hard line aetheist and I think I live a more christian life than most christians I know

[MikeBossy]

On 9/13/2021 at 12:52 PM, erkayloomeh said:

I trust him. I'm not sure I want to take up an appointment with him though as he's so busy and hard to get into. Maybe ill meet you guys at the home opener and wear my "I love Jesus" tshirt and you guys can take me outside and beat the crap out of me then ill have an excuse to go see him. 

haha my brother - never gonna happen - I have the utmost respects for others beliefs when it comes to religion (not just Christianity) even though I consider myself an Atheist. I have witnessed the comfort Religion has brought many in their time of need and although it's not my cup of tea does not give me the right to run down those who follow/practice it.

[erkayloomeh]

39 minutes ago, stawns said:

I am a hard line aetheist and I think I live a more christian life than most christians I know

I don't believe in atheists   

But I believe you