Hirsch: "...the problem isn't on the bench, the problem is in the locker room..."

[ABNucksfan]

4 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Juice doesn't seem to buy in to what Hirsch is saying.  I think he knows more about what has gone on in Vancouver than Hirsch.

Is Bieska currently travelling with the team? No he’s in the studio. I like him but Hirsch may have some inkling of whats going on. 

[Elias Pettersson]

2 minutes ago, canuckleheads fan said:

I would suggest the opposite is true. He doesn't cover the team closely, doesn't travel with them, probably doesn't talk to anyone from the franchise regularly. The only player who is still there from Bieksa's last season is Bo, and that was his rookie season. So it is highly doubtful that Juice would have better insight into the room and the daily temperature of the team than Hirsch.  IF Bo is the Alpha Dog that Hirsch is alluding to, do you think Bo would give him a neutral assessment of what's going on?

Hirsch is old enough to be most player’s father.  I highly doubt they are communicating with him like he is their buddy and giving him inside info.  He is seeing and hearing things like anyone else.  He’s not the only guy on the plane or in the restaurant or hotel.  

 

Juice has perspective from actually being in the Canucks dressing room for a decade.  He is also close to the Sedins who still know many of the players.  I’m pretty sure Petey, Höglander and OEL communicate more with the Sedins than they do with Hirsch.  

 

Some of the stuff Hirsch said was absolute bat$&!# crazy.  Sending big contracts to the minors and trading guys for pennies on the dollar just to get rid of them.  No GM is going to do that.  Not even a bat$&!# crazy one.  And he wants to keep Green over the Alpha Dog.  That alone discredits everything he actually said.  

[Elias Pettersson]

2 minutes ago, ABNucksfan said:

Is Bieska currently travelling with the team? No he’s in the studio. I like him but Hirsch may have some inkling of whats going on. 

I hear what you are saying.  Hirsch said a lot of crazy things though which kind of invalidates what he was saying. Hirsch likes to talk.  We all know that.  I think he may have talked too much in this situation. 

[Patel Bure]

19 minutes ago, Got the Babych said:

Husbandry is all about making horses dink.

True, but a journey to the well is not required to the best of my knowledge.  

[Patel Bure]

11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Hirsch is old enough to be most player’s father.  I highly doubt they are communicating with him like he is their buddy and giving him inside info.  He is seeing and hearing things like anyone else.  He’s not the only guy on the plane or in the restaurant or hotel.  

 

Juice has perspective from actually being in the Canucks dressing room for a decade.  He is also close to the Sedins who still know many of the players.  I’m pretty sure Petey, Höglander and OEL communicate more with the Sedins than they do with Hirsch.  

 

Some of the stuff Hirsch said was absolute bat$&!# crazy.  Sending big contracts to the minors and trading guys for pennies on the dollar just to get rid of them.  No GM is going to do that.  Not even a bat$&!# crazy one.  And he wants to keep Green over the Alpha Dog.  That alone discredits everything he actually said.  

Hirsch is trending towards Kosmo Kramer levels of bat $&!# insanity.  #GiddyUp

[CanadianRugby]

7 hours ago, Alflives said:

Hirsch sure sounds like a loser.  I liked Tomlinson.  He wasn’t a loser, like Hirsch.  

Trash comment. 

[CanadianRugby]

7 hours ago, Patel Bure said:

This x 100.   
 

For example - look at how both Nate Schmidt and OEL produced points outside of Vancouver, and how they “produced” in Vancouver.  Same as Holtby.  Why has Dickinson fallen off a Cliff?   While I give Green the lions share of the blame here, I also give Benning blame in not realizing the damage that Green is causing.  You can take a horse to the well but you can’t make him dink.

Except both Holtby and OEL were straight up bad for 2 seasons before they got to Van.

[Primal Optimist]

7 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Hirsch: "The problem isn't on the bench, the problem is in the locker room.  

These guys don't buy into the system... one of the biggest alpha dogs in the room doesn't buy into it, and when he doesn't, nobody else does and that's leadership.  "

 

Very interesting comments from Hirsch, I recommend listening from the 2 minute mark to about the 4 minute mark.  Goes into Marky and Tanev leaving as well.  

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/650/canucks-central-at-noon/ 

 

 

I appreciate Hirshey and his two cents, thanks for posting, I hadn't heard this yet. 

 

Notwithstanding the 2nd period results of today's game, I am still prepared to give them 20 games before I yell for heads to roll  BUT I generally agree with the guys points.

[EddieVedder]

25 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said:

Trash comment. 

Hirsh mustve slept wish his wife.

 

How can someone not like hirshy.

[R3aL]

1 hour ago, -DLC- said:

But he also says it's not the coach or gm.

Very true. That’s why I said some truth haha 

[Patel Bure]

Corey Hirsch is the Paris Hilton of 650 Sportsnet.  @Alflives

[CanuckGAME]

Corey Hirsch is a bum. That guy is an pimple on this markets ass.

[Kurgom]

One thing Benning doesn't get is it's hard to build a winning team without building a healthy locker room. When you look at teams that make runs or win like the 2011 team, the players driving the team emotionally have been there for years and sometimes over a decade. Benning ripped the lockeroom apart.

Tanev, for example, could absolutely be a 3rd pair defenseman on a cup winning team. PK specialist. Tanev was loved and liked it in Vancouver. Instead of building around what we had, management threw it all out again. It's like if Ohlund and Salo were traded in 07.

Edited November 15, 2021 by Kurgom

[EddieVedder]

2 minutes ago, Kurgom said:

One thing Benning doesn't get is it's hard to build a winning team without building a healthy locker room. When you look at teams that make runs or win like the 2011 team, the players driving the team emotionally have been there for years and sometimes over a decade. Benning ripped the lockeroom apart.

Tanev, for example, could absolutely be a 3rd pair defenseman on a cup winning team. PK specialist. Tanev was loved and liked it in Vancouver. Instead of building around what we had, management threw it all out again. It's like if Ohlund and Salo were traded in 07.

This is what ive been saying. You need players to grow together through the system.  That's the only way to build s team that will go through a wall for one another.   Seriously.. tanev, edler, stetcher constantly game in and game out gave 100 percent every single shift.  Even Mackewan gave his all every game and would have gone toe to toe with anyone for his teammates.  It completely dumbfounds me that management discounts character so much.

[#Canucks]

What if Miller want the problem? I think I heard something about him in TB. He’s great on ice but maybe some guys are fed up with him and not performing? 
 

I don’t know, I like Miller but I feel like that is was Corey was getting at.

[Eddie]

This is complete idiocy. 

 

No sure why all the media refuse to turn on Green - its strange. 

 

Hirschs point is completely invalid - A good coach is one that can attain buy in and alignment with all personalities in the locker room.

 

Look at Carolina with Tony DeAngelo, a player so outspoken and toxic he got into a fistfight with his own team mates in New York. Yet a well coached team in Carolina has replaced Dougie Hamilton and his 9M dollars with him, not missed a beat and have a winning product on the ice. Whereas NYR are having similar problems to us with their rookies and leadership. 

 

Miller maybe an Alpha Dog and a passionate guy - but no way he is DeAngelo bad, in fact he probably isn't even Kessler bad.  He has come for a winning club and is probably rightfully pointing out how terrible some of the coaching is after wasting a few years of his career with this BS. Funny he is one of the few players still giving it his all every shift, as maybe he knows that what winners do. 

[c00kies]

9 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

It looks like coach Green is too much of a players' coach.  

 

We clearly don't have strong leadership that makes everyone fall in line.  So then we can't have a pushover coach.  

Not sure if you listened to the post-game show, but Hirsch suggests that trading out the bad apple is the way forward. 

AV was a player's coach too, but was able to adapt playing styles as the team developed from a team dependent on their goaltender to one with elite skill. 

 

I feel like Green had a similar situation with our bubble team; inferior and dependent on goaltending, but did what he could with the current roster. 

 

Green has not made the next step with the newest roster, and now it seems we have no system at all. 

 

Even when we missed the playoffs in 07-08, it didn't feel like the wheels were coming off, but rather that we'd make a couple moves to complement the core and be back in the playoffs. The Sedins took off, and then Kesler became a dominant two-way center and that's when we flipped the switch from a decent contender to a real Cup favourite. 

 

Our elite players are not better than other teams top players, so we won't be winning a cup soon. 

[D.B Cooper]

2 hours ago, EddieVedder said:

Hirsh mustve slept wish his wife.

 

How can someone not like hirshy.

He is super annoying. 
Not close to as funny as he thinks he is, and his commentary is amateurish.  
Garrett isn’t horrible, but his homerism can get annoying.  

[MeanSeanBean]

4 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Hirsch is old enough to be most player’s father.  I highly doubt they are communicating with him like he is their buddy and giving him inside info.  He is seeing and hearing things like anyone else.  He’s not the only guy on the plane or in the restaurant or hotel.  

 

Juice has perspective from actually being in the Canucks dressing room for a decade.  He is also close to the Sedins who still know many of the players.  I’m pretty sure Petey, Höglander and OEL communicate more with the Sedins than they do with Hirsch.  

 

Some of the stuff Hirsch said was absolute bat$&!# crazy.  Sending big contracts to the minors and trading guys for pennies on the dollar just to get rid of them.  No GM is going to do that.  Not even a bat$&!# crazy one.  And he wants to keep Green over the Alpha Dog.  That alone discredits everything he actually said.  

What makes you think the twins are communicating more with those players then a guy who travels with them? Just because they are Swedish? Am I missing reports saying the twins are vocal in the organization? Because I have been hearing they have been mostly learning the business side so far.

[Dekey Pete]

I'm inclined to think he's talking about Bo.  His solutions for fixing the problems are way off though, Green just has to go, it's obviously time.

 

If we can fire AV 1 season after winning the presidents trophy when his style was no longer working, I think we can move on from Green.