48MPHSlapShot Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, PetterssonOrPeterson said: First off IMO, like the consensus at the moment, the problem begins with Benning as he is the one who is hiring these groups of coaches and hasn't really made progress for nearly 8 years now. While I do think we're in desperate need of a new GM, I have to disagree with this statement. The problem starts with a cheap, meddlesome owner that's using Benning as his surrogate to run the team. Edited November 15, 2021 by 48MPHSlapShot 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 Just now, 48MPHSlapShot said: While I do think we're in desperate need of a new GM, I have to disagree with this statement. The problem starts with a cheap, meddlesome owner that's using Benning as his surrogate to run the team. that's fair. All that drama with Linden was also because of Francesco and his differences of opinions. It's no wonder he abruptly left the organization he has loved since he was drafted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 32 minutes ago, #Canucks said: Scotty Bowman. Make it happen Aquaman! Tbh just get rid of Weisbrod. And replace Baum/Green and maybe brown with NHL Caliber coaching. Who's Brown? Newell Brown works for the Ducks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: I was also thinking of MacFarland and the general approach of looking at AGM'S from clubs that had successfully navigated through the different cycles a pro sports team has to undertake. Imo and based on what I had seen in my career in corporate: some assistants are only meant to be an assistant cause being a top dog is very different (ie: JB). In terms of Colorado, Sakic is a very shrewd GM, based on his prospects & trades but his hardest job will be dealing with the cap & keeping the KEY talent together. Moving forward, I wonder how Aquaman will assemble the leadership group - this for me, is the most interesting part. That's why I think we would need an experienced president. MacFarland seems like he would excel in a background/behind the scenes role and the president can be the front man. MacFarland could be a good front guy/leader for all I know but when you have Sakic you'll probably never get that opportunity to show it. MacFarland has taken interviews in recent years for GM roles. He wants the opportunity. He'll probably get one sooner than later. Rutherford wants back in some capacity. It's been reported that he'd prefer a president of hockey ops spot. A combo of Rutherford and MacFarland? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 Just now, Junkyard Dog said: That's why I think we would need an experienced president. MacFarland seems like he would excel in a background/behind the scenes role and the president can be the front man. MacFarland could be a good front guy/leader for all I know but when you have Sakic you'll probably never get that opportunity to show it. MacFarland has taken interviews in recent years for GM roles. He wants the opportunity. He'll probably get one sooner than later. Rutherford wants back in some capacity. It's been reported that he'd prefer a president of hockey ops spot. A combo of Rutherford and MacFarland? I'd be up for this. Rutherford has that wealth of experience and MacFarland imo would be a fresh change from Benning. Good duo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: That's why I think we would need an experienced president. MacFarland seems like he would excel in a background/behind the scenes role and the president can be the front man. MacFarland could be a good front guy/leader for all I know but when you have Sakic you'll probably never get that opportunity to show it. MacFarland has taken interviews in recent years for GM roles. He wants the opportunity. He'll probably get one sooner than later. Rutherford wants back in some capacity. It's been reported that he'd prefer a president of hockey ops spot. A combo of Rutherford and MacFarland? Good take. Imo, Sakic has autonomy from his (non meddling) owner(s); and the biggest question for any incoming hire should be how much autonomy he will have to perform his duties properly. Aquaman, has to take a brunt of the blame and spending to the cap is not enough, if he is cutting cost in other important positions. Edited November 15, 2021 by ShawnAntoski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: That's why I think we would need an experienced president. MacFarland seems like he would excel in a background/behind the scenes role and the president can be the front man. MacFarland could be a good front guy/leader for all I know but when you have Sakic you'll probably never get that opportunity to show it. MacFarland has taken interviews in recent years for GM roles. He wants the opportunity. He'll probably get one sooner than later. Rutherford wants back in some capacity. It's been reported that he'd prefer a president of hockey ops spot. A combo of Rutherford and MacFarland? I like this idea. They would need total autonomy though and I don't know if anyone will get that here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 We might need a change in management after the season--that's fair--but Benning should not be canned in the middle of it. See what this roster can do with new coaching and reevaluate in the offseason. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: I like this idea. They would need total autonomy though and I don't know if anyone will get that here. Yup, how much leash or no leash should be the first question for any worthwhile hire; and if not, a team will (most likely) hire a bunch of clueless nice dressing stiffs to run the hockey team on & off the ice. Clueless stiffs, that will MOSTLY likely, pump the owners ego and backstab him, by repaying him with mediocrity. If I was an owner, I would be insulted with these results; unless ofcourse, the hockey club is just a hobby to show off. Edited November 15, 2021 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Quantum said: Dean Lombardi has continually rejected offers to work for the Canucks for years. They tried poaching him out of LA after they fired Gillis and then tried to get him after Linden was fired. Lombardi has made it very clear that he'll never work for the Aquilini's and I don't blame him. MacFarland would be my pick for GM. He seems next in line for a GM job. I also do like the idea of Gilman returning as GM, we may need his cap wizardry to get out of our d-core problems. If Benning and Weisbrod are fired by the end of the week, I expect Chris Gear will be the interim GM until they hire someone full time later in the season. Why does Lombardi dislike the Aqua’s so much? 2010 defeat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Patel Bure said: Why does Lombardi dislike the Aqua’s so much? 2010 defeat? He probably wants a job where he can actually...you know....do his job without a meddling owner that knows nothing about hockey dictating how he builds the team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Canucks Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: After the whole Hawks fiasco? The whole reason he was forced to resign? I would say an easy no. Stan is not Scotty & Scotty is not Stan Lol Edited November 16, 2021 by #Canucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, Patel Bure said: Why does Lombardi dislike the Aqua’s so much? 2010 defeat? No. I mean Lombardi won two cups after 2010 so it's definitely not that. I think it's a couple of things. Lombardi doesn't want to live/work in Canada. Aquilini has a reputation for being a little too "hands on" when it comes to Canucks personnel decisions (it's one of the reasons the Aquilini's love Benning because he's a yes man first and foremost before anything else) and Lombardi wants the space to do his job and not have ownership interfere with him. I also think Lombardi saw how Gillis was treated at the end and basically went "yeah, this ain't worth it." Besides, Lombardi is pretty locked up with the Flyers and he can't leave them to take a lateral job at another franchise at this point too. If the Canucks are gonna get a former Kings management person it'll likely be Mike Futa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BureBurrito Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Everyone is thinking way too big with this. This is Aqua as owner...they have not spent on their front office properly and cut every corner. Their circle is very small. The shortlist will be: - Sedins - Lombardi (he'll say no) - Geoff Courtnall - Igor Larionov - Mike Gillis (they'll ask, and he'll say autonomy or forget it) - Ryan Johnson - Robert Esche - Jeff Gorton (really slim to nil chance he'll take it) - Jim Rutherford (see above) - A fired GM this season No way Bowman, McFarland or any other bright GM will ever work with Aqua's guidance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 I'm mentally preparing for a reality where Benning finishes his contract with us into 2022-23. I'm not holding my breath on ownership admitting they made a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: While I do think we're in desperate need of a new GM, I have to disagree with this statement. The problem starts with a cheap, meddlesome owner that's using Benning as his surrogate to run the team. Why do people think it is a meddlesome owner? I haven't seen any proof of this If that is the case what does that say about our GM or any other one that would agree to being a GM? In fact Aquaman who use to have a quick reaction firing, has been Very patient with Jim (and trying something different) I recall him saying "Jim has a vision of how to build this team and I want to follow through with that and support him"“ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Just replace Green for now. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 31 minutes ago, BureBurrito said: Everyone is thinking way too big with this. This is Aqua as owner...they have not spent on their front office properly and cut every corner. Their circle is very small. The shortlist will be: - Sedins - Lombardi (he'll say no) - Geoff Courtnall - Igor Larionov - Mike Gillis (they'll ask, and he'll say autonomy or forget it) - Ryan Johnson - Robert Esche - Jeff Gorton (really slim to nil chance he'll take it) - Jim Rutherford (see above) - A fired GM this season No way Bowman, McFarland or any other bright GM will ever work with Aqua's guidance. Are you saying all the other potentials on your list, not named Bowman, or McFarland, aren’t bright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Just now, Hairy Kneel said: Just replace Green for now. Shaw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 I’m sure Garth Snow would take the job, his first move would be acquiring 5 extra goalies and proposing the league change the rules to allow goalies to cross centre ice. But Seriously, Green thinks things will get better so why worry about it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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