coryberg Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, T.Demko said: Sure. However it is mitigating that risk factor as much as possible when trading from a position with the proven commodity. We should inquire and have a complete visibility of Byram's medical record, and also ensure we are getting the concussion risk discount on his price. We could take a chance on Byram, but for Miller, they can't use Byram as the centerpiece alone. They would at least need to add equal value, even if that means a lesser pick is coming back to us, or we're adding on our end. I liked fanucks idea of a conditional pick... 4 hours ago, Fanuck said: If that's the way Allvin goes, and I'm not saying he is, there are ways to mitigate the risk somewhat. A pick could be included that would be contingent on how many games Byram plays the following season - and there could also be picks contingent on the performance of Miller or how any team that acquires him does in the PO. But yeah, there's not doubt there'd be a high level of risk/reward with a trade like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 I wouldn't move Miller for Bryam. Don't get me wrong, Bryam could end up one hell of a player. Maybe even a legit Norris candidate, but the concussion issues do scare me, not to mention he's a LD, which is the side we're stronger on. Unlessbwe were to play someone on their off side or play one of Hughes, OEL or Bryam as a third pairing guy, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to use our best trade chip on him imho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Miller and Poolman (cap retained?) for Byram + 1st or 2nd? Risky considering his youth and concussion history, I wouldn't touch it (would rather Schneider) if we're trading Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 I would argue that Miller is one of the premier (modern) power forwards in the game today. If Canucks brass does decide to move him, it needs to be for a king's ransom! Leadership, intensity, passion, finish. He has all the attributes of a champion and drives play on a mediocre team. On a contender, he could help push said team over the top. So those interetsed teams better be ready to pony up. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.Demko Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 1 hour ago, coryberg said: I liked fanucks idea of a conditional pick... I dont mind this idea but it scares me to think our insurance pick is only based on a year assessment. I almost rather get full concussion discount plus another great young player or prospect like Newhook and we give them a pick if Byram reaches certain amount of games with us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, T.Demko said: I dont mind this idea but it scares me to think our insurance pick is only based on a year assessment. I almost rather get full concussion discount plus another great young player or prospect like Newhook and we give them a pick if Byram reaches certain amount of games with us. F the Avs. It's either Newhook and Byram and their first or they can take a flying *****. They can again lose early in the playoffs because they are soft. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.Demko Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Just now, Alflives said: F the Avs. It's either Newhook and Byram and their first or they can take a flying *****. They can again lose early in the playoffs because they are soft. Love your enthusiasm Alf. I pray it comes true as it would be a hellofa day for Nucks Nation! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 48 minutes ago, KirkSave said: I would argue that Miller is one of the premier (modern) power forwards in the game today. If Canucks brass does decide to move him, it needs to be for a king's ransom! Leadership, intensity, passion, finish. He has all the attributes of a champion and drives play on a mediocre team. On a contender, he could help push said team over the top. So those interetsed teams better be ready to pony up. The problem is that none of the teams, it seems, are willing to give up a king’s ransom. So even if Miller is worth a king’s ransom, if teams aren’t giving that amount up, then I think Miller remains a Canuck. Would be the most Canuckian thing to happen, is for Miller to just walk into UFA, because management can’t get what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 19 minutes ago, Alflives said: F the Avs. It's either Newhook and Byram and their first or they can take a flying *****. They can again lose early in the playoffs because they are soft. I think it would be hard for the Avs to part from Newhook. He’s probably in line to replace Kadri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 I'd prefer Newhook + Barron vs Byram but I'd not be opposed to Byram (with due dilligience). 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 23 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: I think it would be hard for the Avs to part from Newhook. He’s probably in line to replace Kadri. Depends on how bad they want to win I guess....... their window isn't getting any shorter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: I wouldn't move Miller for Bryam. Don't get me wrong, Bryam could end up one hell of a player. Maybe even a legit Norris candidate, but the concussion issues do scare me, not to mention he's a LD, which is the side we're stronger on. Unlessbwe were to play someone on their off side or play one of Hughes, OEL or Bryam as a third pairing guy, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to use our best trade chip on him imho. Colorado would be dumb to trade Bryam legit a elc like that is gold during these years for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 1 hour ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Miller and Poolman (cap retained?) for Byram + 1st or 2nd? Risky considering his youth and concussion history, I wouldn't touch it (would rather Schneider) if we're trading Miller. No to retaining salary on Poolman for any reason. Let's not repeat the mistakes of Gillis and Benning and create long-term dead cap. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 57 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: I think it would be hard for the Avs to part from Newhook. He’s probably in line to replace Kadri. Is he going to be ready to replace Kadri as a HIGH level 2C as soon as next year though? Miller could do that. Not so sure Newhook can. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 After all our concussion issues I have no idea why anyone would be considering Byram, at least as a major piece. His next contracts probably can’t even be insured due to his history, just like Ferland. If he ends up on LTIR you can’t trade away that dap hit to a bottom feeder as it costs them full salary still. Byram for Garland maybe… that valances risk and reward a little 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 1 hour ago, N4ZZY said: The problem is that none of the teams, it seems, are willing to give up a king’s ransom. So even if Miller is worth a king’s ransom, if teams aren’t giving that amount up, then I think Miller remains a Canuck. Would be the most Canuckian thing to happen, is for Miller to just walk into UFA, because management can’t get what they want. I am hopeful if we decide to hang onto Miller that he re-signs with us and that if we can't get that high price to move him, we move other roster players to ship out cap and make some room (ie. Boeser, Myers, Dickinson, Poolman). I like the fact there are lots of smart people in Canucks MGMT to mull over the options and build a team that will be a solid cup contender from top to bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 4 hours ago, DeNiro said: Everyone thought Crosby’s career was over 10 years back and look at him now. Won a couple cups since then. Concussions are tough but this guy is young and could still turn it around here. A risk for sure but isn’t every young player or prospect we’d be acquiring?Schneider is definitely not a sure thing either. Big risk but even bigger reward. Be nice if there was another key piece there though. Like a Newhook or a Jost and/or a 1st. Have him room with Juulson next year as he will be pushing for spot. Both have serious injury histories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsbutcher Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 3 hours ago, T.Demko said: Sure. However it is mitigating that risk factor as much as possible when trading from a position with the proven commodity. We should inquire and have a complete visibility of Byram's medical record, and also ensure we are getting the concussion risk discount on his price. We could take a chance on Byram, but for Miller, they can't use Byram as the centerpiece alone. They would at least need to add equal value, even if that means a lesser pick is coming back to us, or we're adding on our end. Need to add Newhook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoastcanucks777 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 36 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Have him room with Juulson next year as he will be pushing for spot. Both have serious injury histories. I hope Keeper is a Keeper! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Anyone who wants to trade Miller for Byram should have their head examined, no pun intended... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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