aGENT Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Yeah I don't really see the overall benefit. Obviously he could potentially be a fit with Hughes in the ozone. But defensively you're asking to get scored on a lot. And sticking him with OEL is working against Klingberg's skillset. Arguably we are already misusing OEL as a defensive player. Last year's 42% ozone starts was the lowest of his career. We desperately need a Josh Manson or a Chris Tanev (or even better, a do it all RD like Doughty, Pietrangelo, Parayko) so that we can use that top pair more liberally, although it seems like Boudreau was starting to lower Hughes' ozone starts. Would also help to have a defensive minded 3rd pair. Right now OEL is taking a lot of the dzone starts for our blueline. That's not his game. He should be a 50/50 guy. If not more of a ozone guy as he ages. Exactly! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Myers to DAL for Gurianov Garland/Poolman to NJ for Severson Miller to ?? Pearson to ?? Mikheyev - Pettersson - Boeser Kuzmenko - Horvat - Gurianov Hoglander - ?? - Podkolzin ?? - Lazar - Lockwood Dickinson Hughes - Severson OEL - Klingberg Dermott - Schenn Rathbone Burroughs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby James Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Yup agreed about Klingberg being an ill fit for the current D corps. Devils could have potentially gotten Marino to replace Severson (they have their rookie coming up who will likely play bottom pair). Does anyone want Severson or is he not a great fit (I don't know much about him)? To Van: Severson 2nd round pick To NJ: Garland We get an top 4 RD on an expiring contract and a pick (due to him being a UFA in a year). NJ gets a top 6 winger signed to a good deal. Another option I was thinking about recently, what about Larsson out of Seattle? 4 million for 3 more years, defensive RHD. Seattle feels like they are still building, so they may be open to moving him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bobby James said: Yup agreed about Klingberg being an ill fit for the current D corps. Devils could have potentially gotten Marino to replace Severson (they have their rookie coming up who will likely play bottom pair). Does anyone want Severson or is he not a great fit (I don't know much about him)? To Van: Severson 2nd round pick To NJ: Garland We get an top 4 RD on an expiring contract and a pick (due to him being a UFA in a year). NJ gets a top 6 winger signed to a good deal. Another option I was thinking about recently, what about Larsson out of Seattle? 4 million for 3 more years, defensive RHD. Seattle feels like they are still building, so they may be open to moving him. Think Severson is a decent fit. Would likely pair well with one of the 3 on the left hopefully Q. Top end of age range but UFA next summer. No picks. Going to take a while to rebuild the pipeline and the habit of constantly trading seconds has to stop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bobby James said: Yup agreed about Klingberg being an ill fit for the current D corps. Devils could have potentially gotten Marino to replace Severson (they have their rookie coming up who will likely play bottom pair). Does anyone want Severson or is he not a great fit (I don't know much about him)? To Van: Severson 2nd round pick To NJ: Garland We get an top 4 RD on an expiring contract and a pick (due to him being a UFA in a year). NJ gets a top 6 winger signed to a good deal. Another option I was thinking about recently, what about Larsson out of Seattle? 4 million for 3 more years, defensive RHD. Seattle feels like they are still building, so they may be open to moving him. Miller for Severson and McLeod Myers + Hogs for Larsson Get ‘er done JR! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 35 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Yeah I don't really see the overall benefit. Obviously he could potentially be a fit with Hughes in the ozone. But defensively you're asking to get scored on a lot. And sticking him with OEL is working against Klingberg's skillset. Arguably we are already misusing OEL as a defensive player. Last year's 42% ozone starts was the lowest of his career. We desperately need a Josh Manson or a Chris Tanev (or even better, a do it all RD like Doughty, Pietrangelo, Parayko) so that we can use that top pair more liberally, although it seems like Boudreau was starting to lower Hughes' ozone starts. Would also help to have a defensive minded 3rd pair. Right now OEL is taking a lot of the dzone starts for our blueline. That's not his game. He should be a 50/50 guy. If not more of a ozone guy as he ages. By this reasoning though we really need to move on from Rathbone as we need a third pairing shutdown left D since Q isn’t going anywhere and OEL is essentially unmoveable. Not sure Klingberg wouldn’t work. Makar and Toews shouldn’t work because really they are both PMD and neither are overly physical but they do work brilliantly. Ah who knows. I think the GMs are mostly throwing crap against the wall to see if it sticks as much as we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Okay we know this rumour is bogus. Why aren’t we hearing anything about where he my actually sign though. It’s been awfully quiet. Same with Kadri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Okay we know this rumour is bogus. Why aren’t we hearing anything about where he my actually sign though. It’s been awfully quiet. Same with Kadri. Seems like there are a lot of shoes that still need to drop. Kadri and Klinberg signing somewhere, us having too many forwards, NJD having too many RD. This offseason is far from over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Kadri is holding everything up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 28 minutes ago, Bobby James said: Yup agreed about Klingberg being an ill fit for the current D corps. Devils could have potentially gotten Marino to replace Severson (they have their rookie coming up who will likely play bottom pair). Does anyone want Severson or is he not a great fit (I don't know much about him)? To Van: Severson 2nd round pick To NJ: Garland We get an top 4 RD on an expiring contract and a pick (due to him being a UFA in a year). NJ gets a top 6 winger signed to a good deal. Another option I was thinking about recently, what about Larsson out of Seattle? 4 million for 3 more years, defensive RHD. Seattle feels like they are still building, so they may be open to moving him. Severson is gonna get 7m in UFA next year, pretty sure you're exactly right that they picked up Marino to replace him. Marino's cap hit at 4.4 is very reasonable for a top-4 RHD. I like Severson but not sure we want him given the haul it would take to retain him next year through UFA as well as giving up assets to trade. If we really want him, I'd say lets not give up any assets, and wait and see if he tests UFA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: By this reasoning though we really need to move on from Rathbone as we need a third pairing shutdown left D since Q isn’t going anywhere and OEL is essentially unmoveable. Not sure Klingberg wouldn’t work. Makar and Toews shouldn’t work because really they are both PMD and neither are overly physical but they do work brilliantly. Ah who knows. I think the GMs are mostly throwing crap against the wall to see if it sticks as much as we are. Lets not pretend Toews is on par with Klingberg defensively. Toews is a two way defender, not an offensive defender like Klingberg is. Physicality isn't the thing we want necessarily, it's defensive ability with the ability to pass the puck. Toews has both. That's the reason that pair works. Toews is a fantastic two way guy that allows Makar to operate offensively while also being able to chip in defensively. Toews the last 2 seasons has below 50% ozone starts. Klingberg is a 60% ozone guy. Hughes and Makar are comparable, Toews and Klingberg are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Plays a similar 2 way game. Better offensively, less physical. Won't save cap, doesn't represent a skill set we need, doesn't fit core age group. Myers isn’t even physical enough for me but I’d say Klingberg is considerably better than Myers in almost every way. Say he signed a 5-6 year deal one that takes him to 34/35. Lots of dmen play pretty well 29-35 especially when they aren’t a physical bruising dman. Example Letang did. Edler was a horse for us during that time of his career too. I don’t see the age of him or say a Severson being an issue in general or for our team specifically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Lets not pretend Toews is on par with Klingberg defensively. Toews is a two way defender, not an offensive defender like Klingberg is. Physicality isn't the thing we want necessarily, it's defensive ability with the ability to pass the puck. Toews has both. That's the reason that pair works. Toews is a fantastic two way guy that allows Makar to operate offensively while also being able to chip in defensively. Toews the last 2 seasons has below 50% ozone starts. Klingberg is a 60% ozone guy. Hughes and Makar are comparable, Toews and Klingberg are not. That’s a perspective I can agree with. I’m almost curious if it would be easier to acquire a LHD partner for Hughes and put Hughes on the right side and let him loose offensively im pretty sure he played on the right in college at times 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 tbh I could see E Rodrigues waiting for ducks to move cap, he probably really trusts JR. This would be a good fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 23 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Severson is gonna get 7m in UFA next year, pretty sure you're exactly right that they picked up Marino to replace him. Marino's cap hit at 4.4 is very reasonable for a top-4 RHD. I like Severson but not sure we want him given the haul it would take to retain him next year through UFA as well as giving up assets to trade. If we really want him, I'd say lets not give up any assets, and wait and see if he tests UFA. Marino is a bit of a bet for them but they probably think Nemec will over take him anyways in the next few years. So committing long term to Severson and Hamilton would make it tough for Nemec to get into the top four In a few years and make Severson a very expensive third pairing guy for the back half 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, R3aL said: Marino is a bit of a bet for them but they probably think Nemec will over take him anyways in the next few years. So committing long term to Severson and Hamilton would make it tough for Nemec to get into the top four In a few years and make Severson a very expensive third pairing guy for the back half New Jersey has played this perfectly. I'm a little jealous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby James Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 38 minutes ago, R3aL said: Marino is a bit of a bet for them but they probably think Nemec will over take him anyways in the next few years. So committing long term to Severson and Hamilton would make it tough for Nemec to get into the top four In a few years and make Severson a very expensive third pairing guy for the back half Yeah makes sense for NJ. 35 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: New Jersey has played this perfectly. I'm a little jealous. I agree lol. I really thought Marino would be an solid addition and the cost paid was not too bad at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Gawdzukes said: New Jersey has played this perfectly. I'm a little jealous. The crazy thing is the depth of prospects they have on both sides left and right for the pipeline too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, R3aL said: The crazy thing is the depth of prospects they have on both sides left and right for the pipeline too Thats what happens when your on ice product is complete garbage outside of a handful skilled guys 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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