R3aL Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: Thats what happens when your on ice product is complete garbage outside of a handful skilled guys Lol true. With outliers like Colorado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, R3aL said: Lol true. With outliers like Colorado Hey they rebuilt, scrapped it and started fresh a second time. Took em 20 years to get back to a final! Honestly our cycle isn't far off most, 11 years since a final. Problem is when it counted the most we also opted to have a trash management as well as team lol. Big F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Mustard Tiger said: Hey they rebuilt, scrapped it and started fresh a second time. Took em 20 years to get back to a final! Honestly our cycle isn't far off most, 11 years since a final. Problem is when it counted the most we also opted to have a trash management as well as team lol. Big F Yup. Sakic came in and even though the team was decent traded away ROR and Duchene and took a big step back in order to leap ahead. Would Sakic trade both Miller and Bo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nooks Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Yup. Sakic came in and even though the team was decent traded away ROR and Duchene and took a big step back in order to leap ahead. Would Sakic trade both Miller and Bo? Duchess goes and Landeskog stays imo you hang on to the captain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: Yup. Sakic came in and even though the team was decent traded away ROR and Duchene and took a big step back in order to leap ahead. Would Sakic trade both Miller and Bo? We are past that stage anyways by already drafting and developing EP huggy and demko. Can't go full scale rebuild, Be hard pressed to assume you will draft 3 guys like that again with all the assets you get back. Our roster requires minor re tooling to the fwds, Overhauling the entire right side D and building up a pipeline 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 4 hours ago, tas said: drafting for organizational need doesn't make sense when organizational need is constantly changing and the kids you're drafting won't make an impact for 5 years, if at all. Yes. But I like the strategy that the Preds have taken. They continually draft and develop RHD’s, and when they have a surplus, they trade them away and fill other needs on their roster. RHD’s are valuable, and not every organization has high quality right handed defensemen (like your Vancouver Canucks). Seth Jones is probably the best example of a RHD they drafted, developed, and then traded away when they had other needs, but had a surplus of RHD’s coming up the pipeline ready to replace Jones. The Canucks don’t have that. I’d take a surplus of RHD’s than elite forwards, because the former is harder to find than the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: Yes. But I like the strategy that the Preds have taken. They continually draft and develop RHD’s, and when they have a surplus, they trade them away and fill other needs on their roster. RHD’s are valuable, and not every organization has high quality right handed defensemen (like your Vancouver Canucks). Seth Jones is probably the best example of a RHD they drafted, developed, and then traded away when they had other needs, but had a surplus of RHD’s coming up the pipeline ready to replace Jones. The Canucks don’t have that. I’d take a surplus of RHD’s than elite forwards, because the former is harder to find than the latter. This is a good strategy to follow. Unfortunately, for some odd reason no management group in Vancouver Canucks history has ever followed it. Even JR/PA did not draft one single RHD in the most recent draft. Vancouver's best ever RHD draft pick was Kevin Bieksa, who was drafted in the 5th round. That tells you everything you need to know. If you look at these RHD's in today's game that are elite, alot of them were drafted outside the first round. Many were drafted in the second round. Guys like MacKenzie Weegar, Josh Manson and John Marino were drafted in the 6th and 7th rounds. It's amazing that the Canucks simply refuse to take a flyer on someone in the later rounds. Or use their 2nd and 3rd round picks on one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 46 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: Yes. But I like the strategy that the Preds have taken. They continually draft and develop RHD’s, and when they have a surplus, they trade them away and fill other needs on their roster. RHD’s are valuable, and not every organization has high quality right handed defensemen (like your Vancouver Canucks). Seth Jones is probably the best example of a RHD they drafted, developed, and then traded away when they had other needs, but had a surplus of RHD’s coming up the pipeline ready to replace Jones. The Canucks don’t have that. I’d take a surplus of RHD’s than elite forwards, because the former is harder to find than the latter. seth jones was also a no-brainer, basically picked by default. it's a different story when you have to explain to your scouting staff, who pour their hearts and souls into what they do like any other professional does with their career, "sorry, we're going to pass on who you think the better pick is because we want to pump years of development dollars into this other kid and then trade him so he can flourish elsewhere. oh, and by the way, we're going to do the exact same thing with the picks we get for him in the trade." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Yup. Sakic came in and even though the team was decent traded away ROR and Duchene and took a big step back in order to leap ahead. Would Sakic trade both Miller and Bo? People need to re-frame this type of organizational movement (potential Miller trade) from 'taking steps backwards' to 'taking a different path to the same end goal'. I don't think FA, most of the fan-base, nor the media would readily accept 'backwards movement' from a franchise that's been mired in mediocrity for some time, but altering the course to get to the same outcome sounds more reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Me at Allvin and Klingberg: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: Me at Allvin and Klingberg: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, JM_ said: True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, JM_ said: 3 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: True Wait, how does shipping out one top 4 RD for another one fix our blueline? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Wait, how does shipping out one top 4 RD for another one fix our blueline? more Swedes. We need more Swedes. I think for the same $ Klingberg brings more skill. Its not really a deal we need to do tho, I'm OK with trying to move Myers next summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Wait, how does shipping out one top 4 RD for another one fix our blueline? Well it would significantly change the makeup of the top 4. We’d have a much stronger transition game but lack of that tough matchup penalty killing D man. Klingberg is also 2 years younger than Myers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian42 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Wait, how does shipping out one top 4 RD for another one fix our blueline? Especially when he’ll need a much bigger contract? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Well it would significantly change the makeup of the top 4. We’d have a much stronger transition game but lack of that tough matchup penalty killing D man. Klingberg is also 2 years younger than Myers. At the end of the day, depending on who we play Klinberg with, we'd still be short a top 4 to play with either Hughes or OEL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: At the end of the day, depending on who we play Klinberg with, we'd still be short a top 4 to play with either Hughes or OEL. I just don't see any other path but the draft for that, and doing it with our own pick which in all likelihood will be higher than the one we'd get in a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 I knew the haters would turn on Meyers after that Keith hit most started the let’s trade him he’s useless not to long after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Well it would significantly change the makeup of the top 4. We’d have a much stronger transition game but lack of that tough matchup penalty killing D man. Klingberg is also 2 years younger than Myers. I am all for Klingberg, especially if he could be had at a relative bargain as it is shaping up to be. To me though, it would spell the end of Rathbone because, as you say, we would need a pairing for the tough matchups… OEL and Myers isn’t that now (though they did surpringly OK at it last season), OEL and Klingberg wouldn’t fit that well either. If we could get a solid 3rd pairing to take on that role, that could be a crazy good D. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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