wildcam Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 hour ago, BCNate said: EP Miller Bo Garland BB Kuzmenko Mikheyev Podkolzin Pearson Assuming this is our top 9 in some combo, I don't see a role for Hoglander here. I don't see him as better than these guys, nor do I see him as a 4th liner. If we can move him and fill a whole, now or down the road, on D, he is our most tradable/least impact guy that can be dealt. To me it is managing assets moreso than giving up on him. 12 minutes ago, Timråfan said: The only thing I could loose Hogs for is a good RhD. So Miller ,Hogs, Garland... for Theodore maybe... Yes equal trade for young RD man under 23 that has played over 50 NHL games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, erkayloomeh said: Its not BB job to like or dislike its his job to get a player like NH to overcome his shortcoming that's coaching He seems like a player with a good attitude I'm just not sure he'll get the opportunity under Bruce. Boudreau doesn't have the same issue with blatant nepotism as Green did, but all coaches have their favorites along with a doghouse. When you see useless trash like Petan playing instead of Hoglander, dots get connected. Edited July 15, 2022 by King Heffy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, King Heffy said: I'm just not sure he'll get the opportunity under Bruce. Boudreau doesn't have the same issue with blatant nepotism as Green did, but all coaches have their favorites along with a doghouse. If a player isn't listening or is a matured player then sure. But a young player needs to be developed still and that falls on the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undrafted Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, King Heffy said: I'm just not sure he'll get the opportunity under Bruce. Boudreau doesn't have the same issue with blatant nepotism as Green did, but all coaches have their favorites along with a doghouse. When you see useless trash like Petan playing instead of Hoglander, dots get connected. What? I thought Petan only drew into the lineup because Hogs was on IR. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Wasn't it Green that put together the Kid line .... Podz-Petey-Hoagie .... in an attempt to break Petey's slump, and they had insane possession stats? Then Bruce arrived and never tried that line. Or is my memory faulty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Provost said: No one has given up on him. He is still on the roster and hasn't been traded away for scraps. He has a lot to prove as a player though. Hockey people who know a lot more than us say that he still needs to learn to be more complete of a player and he doesn't provide enough offence to cheat on the defensive side. He will be in a big battle with our other wingers for ice time though and that is a good thing. We have guys like Pearson and Mikheyev who are also really good penalty killers and can provide the same level of offence as Hoglander on top of that. Garland is a beast 5v5. I can see Hoglander being in the press box if he just can't beat out those guys and find himself a niche. He isn't a lot cause, but he is by no means a legit top 6 winger in the NHL yet. If no moves happen before the season (which I still don't expect) I could see lines being like. Miller-Petterson-Boeser Mikheyev-Horvat-Garland Kuzmenko-Dickenson-Hoglander Joshua-Lazar-Pearson In that sort of configuration, Hoglander gets amongst the lowest ice time of all the forwards as Mikheyev, Lazar, and Dickenson would be primary penalty killers. over in the proposal thread, he is traded for nothing (cap space) Edited July 15, 2022 by lmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Everybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Loui Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 I agree, we haven't gotten a good look at him at all, he's basically still a rookie and we need to develop him properly. AHL would be ideal but we're past that point already. I like Hoggers skill set and moxy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 I think he was the player that Green loved but Boudreau just didn’t like as much and the injury. ‘Kind of feel Garland and Hoglander are a bit redundant. I got room for a spark plug player like either of them but am not sure room for two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCammer Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) Every year the "fans" of this team seem to pick a new whipping boy. Years ago it was Raymond (EP falls about 8 times more often than Raymond ever did) and Ballard, two years and into last year it was Boeser, now its' Hoglander. It's just noise to drown out. Edited July 15, 2022 by TheCammer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Ward Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 hour ago, BCNate said: EP Miller Bo Garland BB Kuzmenko Mikheyev Podkolzin Pearson Assuming this is our top 9 in some combo, I don't see a role for Hoglander here. I don't see him as better than these guys, nor do I see him as a 4th liner. If we can move him and fill a whole, now or down the road, on D, he is our most tradable/least impact guy that can be dealt. To me it is managing assets moreso than giving up on him. I would move Kuzmenko to the bottom of that list and below Hoglander. The rest have all proven they can perform in by far the best league in the world. Kuz has yet to prove that. Hoglander did it as a 20 year old. Kuz is 25 and hasn't played 1 game. Remember Linden Vey, Nigel Dawes, Goldobin, etc.. they all scored a lot in the KHL too. I really like Hogz and think he is much more valuable than cdc gives him credit for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 44 minutes ago, Googlie said: Wasn't it Green that put together the Kid line .... Podz-Petey-Hoagie .... in an attempt to break Petey's slump, and they had insane possession stats? Then Bruce arrived and never tried that line. Or is my memory faulty? I think Boudreau put that line together, but maybe im mistaken. They were unreal when together. And Podz and Petey have real chemistry- the type you need a 1st line to have. Anyone looking to dump Hogz doesnt understand this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinky-Winky Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 HOGLANDER who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacious Crumb Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Hoglander, do we really need him? In all seriousness he may just be a victim of numbers. He doesn’t provide size, toughness, offence or PK. I like the player a lot but it doesn’t seem that Bruce does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I'm a Hogz-Lover. The man's got jam. Super-skilled and hard-nosed. He may have to work his way back up the lineup. But he's always busted through any challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 It costs us next to nothing to keep him. And we'll get next to nothing right now to trade him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Top 9, potential top 6 player on an entry level contract. We shouldn't be moving him unless for an overpayment or to address a dire need. You need to have potential impact players on entry level deals in this day and age if you want to be successful. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Locke Lamora said: Actually quite dislike how Boudreau handled Hogz. How so, Locke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Hogs is the kind of player I love to watch. I'll always have a soft spot for undersized players full of piss and vinegar. The problem is, I think having Garland on the team makes him redundant, as Garland is essentially peaked Hoglander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 35 minutes ago, Salacious Crumb said: Hoglander, do we really need him? In all seriousness he may just be a victim of numbers. He doesn’t provide size, toughness, offence or PK. I like the player a lot but it doesn’t seem that Bruce does. I doubt Bruce has issues with Hogs. Bruce was dealing with an injured young player, so had to adjust his toi and role to his level of play. Hogs' had good offensive awareness/skills and he is a speedy skater, with creative moves. At the moment, he doesn't fit in the tip 6 and needs to work on his defensive skill to play on the bottom 6. It would be a mistake to trade him at a low point in his game and seeing as he's waiver exempt, it would be a perfect time for him to work on his defensive game in Abby. Best case scenario is that he returns to the Canucks as a more complete and versatile player; maybe even before the season ends. It would be great for him to gets some NHL time before the team heads into the playoffs. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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