[Trade] Canucks trade Bo Horvat to Islanders for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty, 2023 1st-round draft pick

[-DLC-]

27 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

Linden didn't fight...but it wasn't because he was afraid or even reluctant...he was just so damn bad at it that it would demoralize the team if he did.  Aside from that he hit guys through the glass.  Now of course he wasn't sending guys flying like Eric Lindros did every game but he played a physical game and he was also a vocal leader.  He would get on Pavel Bure for dogging it in practice.

 

Bo's comment in New York is actually kind of weird.  It almost seems desperate and pathetic like he's trying to score points since he is performing well below expectations in scoring goals.

 

Anyway, I can sympathize.  I was never a huge Horvat supporter - didn't criticize him either, just wasn't that invested in him - but if I had been, I would probably take what he said kind of personal.

It was desperate and pathetic. 

I took it personally. A few years ago I was bleeding from my throat....my boss rushed me to ER as we didn't know what was going on. Neither did they. An ENT camera up the nose/down the throat didn't get it figured out. Many doctor's visits and, well, it's less frequent (and hadn't happened for awhile).

 

My doctors said it likely was attributed to irritation caused by cheering for my team...it seemed to be triggered and coincided with games. Which is why I got my little rinky dink cowbell.

 

Guess what? Last night walking home from the game .... happened. I got a little carried away in OT/the shootout. I literally bleed for this team. Bo can suck it, he's a turd. Our fans are awesome and deserve more respect. It was a dig at people like me/us. Clown. 

[EdgarM]

25 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

Thing is, I never was satisfied with how he turned a blind eye when our guys were being mugged. Casually skated off.

 

I know the comparison was that Linden didn't fight but Linden crawled on his hands and knees with broken ribs for this team. He was all in.

 

It was fairly minor but also hugely revealing. Bo is about Bo and maybe that was more of an issue in the room than we knew. The fact that he chased the $$ and is now throwing us under the bus? To get "likes" from his new fans? Real captains don't need to do that...their play will be enough. I'm pissed...I supported this guy fully/completely. And, as a fan, he's making a point that we're just putting the exclamation mark on.

 

You can be happy to be in a new home without trashing where you have been. A place that really helped you get there.

 

I am SO happy management saw that the right/first choice was Miller. A guy who wants to be here and it shows. A guy happy to set others up and celebrates their goals more than his own. Something to that.

This is bang on. Management know what it takes to win and so does the coach. Big difference then what we have been accustomed to over the years here in Vancouver. These guys have won a Cup and so I trust them fully in the decisions they are making. 

Talent is great, but if you don't play like a "Complete" player and as a "Team", you will go no where.

[HKSR]

1 minute ago, EdgarM said:

This is bang on. Management know what it takes to win and so does the coach. Big difference then what we have been accustomed to over the years here in Vancouver. These guys have won a Cup and so I trust them fully in the decisions they are making. 

Talent is great, but if you don't play like a "Complete" player and as a "Team", you will go no where.

Yeah you can see how this team is starting to stick up for one another.  It starts from the top down.  Bo didn't do it, so why would any of the other guys.  

[-DLC-]

I'm so pissed (more than I should be). He really didn't have to do that to be popular...let your play do the talking.

 

Thing is, he was held in pretty high regard here and has now tarnished his own image. Which, apparently, is everything to him. The bs presser that someone wrote for him is garbage now if his true feelings are that he's happy to be out of dodge. We're happy too. Fitting that he plays in the U BS arena now.

 

I wanted to be able to cheer him on in the playoffs. Now I hope they nosedive. Not bitter, just see a different side of a guy who always hinted that he was sort of that way. Above everything here.

 

Borevat. Who even is she again?

[Ghostsof1915]

27 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

Linden didn't fight...but it wasn't because he was afraid or even reluctant...he was just so damn bad at it that it would demoralize the team if he did.  Aside from that he hit guys through the glass.  Now of course he wasn't sending guys flying like Eric Lindros did every game but he played a physical game and he was also a vocal leader.  He would get on Pavel Bure for dogging it in practice.

 

Bo's comment in New York is actually kind of weird.  It almost seems desperate and pathetic like he's trying to score points since he is performing well below expectations in scoring goals.

 

Anyway, I can sympathize.  I was never a huge Horvat supporter - didn't criticize him either, just wasn't that invested in him - but if I had been, I would probably take what he said kind of personal.

Linden answered the bell in other ways.

 

[HKSR]

4 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Linden answered the bell in other ways.

 

Oh man, after these comments, nobody should use Linden and Horvat's names in the same sentence.  Linden bleeds Canucks colours for life... ironically even when he was an Islander.

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Linden answered the bell in other ways.

 

Farmer strong. Fabulous player. Hated that trade but it sure set us up down the road. 
The Horvat trade will do the same. And BoHo wasn’t close to Trevor as a complete player. We got amazing value for BoHo considering he was a coming UFA and his limitations as a player. 

[Fred65]

He had no needs to add the comments he did, showed his class right there. I've heard a couple of players saying how it's a pleasure once again to come to the rink and now we know why. It's also clear why JR/PA decided to keep Miller and get rid of Horvat, fans it's a new era, better to have  a Miller and Kuzmenko that a disgruntled Horvat 

 

Well I'm sure many fans will be waiting for his return next season to give him a warm Vcr welcome ...yeah right. I know I'll be there enjoying every moment

Edited April 9, 2023 by Fred65

[Fanuck]

It's unfortunate Bo had to stoop to that level.   He absolutely knew exactly what he was saying and knew it would get back to all of us here in BC - He knows the local media all too well to not realize that. 

 

He had hundreds of thousands of loyal fans here and destroyed the connection that was built over many,  many hard years with one ill advised comment,  which sadly he'll likely regret down the road when the resentment of the trade finally wears off.  

 

If he didn't already and I missed it, I'm sure his agent is formulating some kind of social media statement explaining how his statements were misunderstood  -  I'm not buying it, it was a cold, calculated resentful statement that shows a real classless side of this person I've not seen before sadly. 

[GhostsOf1994]

Said it after the trade, Bo didn't want to be here. sounds like he's also hurt that the team is doing better without him.( because he's not as good as he thinks he is)

 

since the trade

 

Miller 29gp 34pts

Beauvillier 30gp 19pts

 

 

Horvat 28 gp 15 pts(ouch)

 

lets so some simple math and multiply those totals by 3 for a rough guesstimate for next year.

 

28x3=84 gp

15x 3= 45pts

 

gross! even worse for NYI fans

 

[BPA]

 

 

 

 

[Curmudgeon]

Too many hypersensitive people around here. The guy just had a great game. The interviewer set him up find out a) what it felt like to be going to the playoffs and b) how having the NYI fans behind the team was so helpful going into the playoffs. She was asking for an opinion about going to the playoffs with the Islanders in front of a rabid crowd. In terms of his experience in Vancouver, he NEVER experienced that fan excitement in Vancouver, because the one year they actually played in the playoffs, it was 17 games in front of empty stands in Edmonton. Nine and a half years is a really long time to go without experiencing the excitement that comes with making the playoffs. In Bo's opinion, his current situation is way better than Vancouver's, so why wouldn't he be eager to finally get that opportunity?

 

Besides, even if he did mean to take a shot at Vancouver, who cares? He owes us nothing and we don't owe him. But remember this: For nine and a half years Bo dedicated himself completely to the Vancouver Canucks with loyalty and character. He worked hard to be a good player and gave us a lot of great moments. It is stupid to ignore all that just because he correctly said his current situation was better than Vancouver. It IS better, and Bo is showing the Islanders the same loyalty he showed the Canucks. In other words, he was being what he has always been: a guy who puts the team first.

 

Now all of this might seem like I am a Horvat apologist. I am not. I never felt he was assertive enough as a captain and he was a less than committed forechecker. I was also frequently annoyed that he didn't stick up for his teammates in scrums. The absolute last straw for me was when Max Domi laid a vicious crosscheck on Dakota Joshua after Joshua had scored. Horvat was standing right there and didn't so much as look at Domi, much less let him know that he'd crossed a line. Then I remembered that he and Domi are old buddies and Domi was best man at Horvat's wedding. Oh. 

 

I am now completely ambivalent about Horvat, as I am about most Canucks who have moved on. I am just relieved that management apparently decided that he was not the captain they were looking for and did not commit to $68M over eight more years.

[Hogs & Podz]

1 hour ago, Kevin Biestra said:

Anyway, I can sympathize.  I was never a huge Horvat supporter - didn't criticize him either, just wasn't that invested in him - but if I had been, I would probably take what he said kind of personal.

Either was I.  Liked his solid game and faceoffs... But felt like when he got the captaincy, I wasn't sold.  But there was no one else more qualified than him at the time (tells us a lot about the leadership void after sedins retired). 

 

The only time I saw Bo through his actions, that he was captain material, was him taking the team on his back against the Blues in the bubble.  If you recall at the time, his wife was about give birth to their son Gunner (such a bad name lol!) and Bo was ornery and driven... Way different then his somewhat aloof chill self.  That was the only time where I said "that's captain material".  

 

I will put his ranking as canucks captains near dead last... Wasn't much of a fan of Luongo or Naslund as captains either.  Lu because well he was a goalie and put into an awkward position.  Nazzy because it seemed to be a burden on him.... With that being said, I don't want to see Petey as captain for the same reason as nazzy.  

Our next captain should be Hughes... Hands down!

Edited April 9, 2023 by Hogs & Podz

[4petesake]

It’s weird watching Islander fans dunking all over Canuck fans for turning on Bo after his comments. The very fans that boo their former captain so lustfully after  becoming a Leaf.

 

Nice to see a little emotion and frank-speak from him but too bad he waited until he was gone, we could have used a little of that from him as a Canuck.

[Hogs & Podz]

2 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

Nice to see a little emotion and frank-speak from him but too bad he waited until he was gone, we could have used a little of that from him as a Canuck.

+1

[Iron Man]

I didn't interpret it as a shot at us fans, but rather that the playoff push in NYI is better than Vancouver's. In which case, he isn't wrong. It was a loaded question by the interviewer and Bo only answered a part of it.

 

In any event, Miller during his entire time here has been more productive than Bo despite being 2 years older. Beauvillier has also been more productive than Bo since the trade and he's 2 years younger. We made the right choice.

Edited April 9, 2023 by Iron Man

[-DLC-]

40 minutes ago, Iron Man said:

I didn't interpret it as a shot at us fans, but rather that the playoff push in NYI is better than Vancouver's. In which case, he isn't wrong. It was a loaded question by the interviewer and Bo only answered a part of it.

 

In any event, Miller during his entire time here has been more productive than Bo despite being 2 years older. Beauvillier has also been more productive than Bo since the trade and he's 2 years younger. We made the right choice.

The question clearly stated: "the excitement of the building and the fan's involvement".

 

And we're awesome. So there's that.

 

Even IF he was talking playoff push...there's that old if you're not part of the solution you're part the problem. But I guess it was everyone else's fault, not his. Not very respectful to his former teammates.

 

Captain Country Club is no longer relevant to me. Always thought Miller was the right choice and this just really confirms it. Well, along with a comparison of what they do. Funny how the culture seems to be changing. Hmm.

[DrJockitch]

His comments were fair. The Canucks are finishing another miserable season. Would be a lot more fun playing on a team in a playoff race.  People shouldn’t read it as a dig at the city, maybe the organization but with the year we had both on and off the ice that is again fair. 
‘He was also somewhat done dirty by the current group of management. It is a big boy game so that shouldn’t bother him too much but he is human. 
 

Also people are making the same mistake with Beau that they are with the club. Only looking at the hot streak and saying this is what we have. He is a small, speedy middle six 18-22 goal scoring winger that provides some forecheck. That is it. Tocchet has been quite critical of his game and he makes too much for what he brings. He should be on the trade block if we bumped up his value along with Garland and Brock. 

Edited April 9, 2023 by DrJockitch

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, Iron Man said:

I didn't interpret it as a shot at us fans, but rather that the playoff push in NYI is better than Vancouver's. In which case, he isn't wrong. It was a loaded question by the interviewer and Bo only answered a part of it.

 

In any event, Miller during his entire time here has been more productive than Bo despite being 2 years older. Beauvillier has also been more productive than Bo since the trade and he's 2 years younger. We made the right choice.

Our fans were literally cheering for the coach last year…

 

Dont give me that it’s so much better there. When it’s good here it’s as good as anywhere in the league. 
 

If we got a little more out of Bo in a non contract year maybe we would have made it. 

[steviewonder20]

13 hours ago, McBackup said:

What’s the big deal with fans comments? Bo is allowed to take shots but fans can’t fire back?

Fans have been firing back since he listed his house for sale. What’s the big deal that fans are more lively there?