[Trade] Canucks trade Bo Horvat to Islanders for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty, 2023 1st-round draft pick

[MeanSeanBean]

8 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

 

what moves were to savage which contention window??

 

We are in this position because Demko couldnt make a save for the first 20 games the last 2 seasons. Anyone denying that is a Gillass Nuthugger.

 

We missed by how many points last year??? Our PK was how bad last season and this season??? 
 

0-5-2 to start the season thanks to poor goaltending. Had we started on time the past 2 seasons this team would be in a playoff spot. Deny it all you want but a -6.09GSAA to start the first 6 games and then a -28GSAA overall for Martin is what cost this season. 
 

get your head out or your a$$

 

Who was scoring all our goals?? Who was leading our team the last few seasons?? Benning guys. Gillass left Horvat behind and well, we moved on from him. 
Right now we signed Kuzmenko who keeps winding up stapled to the bench for bad habits. Is he going to learn?? Or keep getting stapled to the bench by Tocchet?? 
 

 

Petey

Hughes

Demko

Boeser

Podkolzin

Hoglander

Miller

Rathbone

Woo

McDonough

Karlsson

Klimovich

Jurmo

Silovs

 

yep definitely damaged the future.

 

 

8 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

You want to sh*t on Benning who was put in the worst position ever to succeed. Blame him for “reinvesting” in this “window of contention” you speak of and then completely ignore that PA in his first offseason has gone and done the exact same thing you accuse Benning of. LOOOOOOOL

 

Garland, Boeser, Miller or Horvat should have been moved last offseason. Instead we didn’t capitalize on their value last offseason and their stock dropped. Brilliant PA, absolutely Brilliant. Cant wait til JR starts whispering in his ear to just go all in and sell the farm like they did in PIT and MG did here. 

 

8 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

You make excuses for the cap situation, blame Benning and ignore the pieces that PA had to work with to clear cap space, guys that HAD VALUE and could have been sold off.

Boeser at last years TDL to a contender going all in???????? Easy 1st round pick right there.

Garland?????? 
come on man, quit kidding yourself.

 

8 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

Funny enough Bennings 2021-22 team did waaaaaay better than PA and JRs 2022-23 team.

4 quotes in a row... Is that a new all-time low?

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, MeanSeanBean said:

 

 

 

4 quotes in a row... Is that a new all-time low?

Benning is our worst GM ever, especially considering he followed our most successful- Gillis. Two Presidents’ trophies, a Cup Final, and voted by his peers as the best GM. 

[PhillipBlunt]

On 1/30/2023 at 2:54 PM, naslund.is.king said:

I look forward to the upcoming 3 topics you create to yell at us

YOU DO?

[Jester13]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

Benning is our worst GM ever, especially considering he followed our most successful- Gillis. Two Presidents’ trophies, a Cup Final, and voted by his peers as the best GM. 

Benning is like Obama: he inherited a mess from the previous guy who didn't do much except enter one war. He did okay in rebuilding the mess he was given but ran out of time, everyone panicked, and then he turned into Trump. Now we're left with a bald Biden and waiting to see what good will come of things. 

 

Happy Frieday!

 

[.Naslund]

12 hours ago, MeanSeanBean said:

Not even mentioning that Bennings mishandling of the cap was partly to blame why we were unable so sign Petey long term which would have been far better off long term for the team then a bridge which see's him getting a even bigger payday now. Boeser was also kicked down the can with a massive qualifier that left him with next to no trade value and the only logical step to be resigning him with hopes of recouping his value.

If he signed long term back then he’d be a UFA in his late twenties which would mean we’d be resigning him until his late thirties. Resigning Petey now means we will sign him for fair value through his prime years. 

[Sell.the.team]

11 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

I strongly believe this team would have made playoffs the last 3 seasons. 
COVID completely decimated us in 2020-21 and we fought an uphill battle. We lost Petey for 30 games and that hurt big time. Plus the 19 games in 30 days to finish the season right after COVID… okay whatever that was just bad luck.

 

2021-22 Demko AND Petey had really slow starts, which cost us a lot of games early on. We narrowly missed playoffs… okay that was a learning lesson, Petey took his time coming back to NA and waited til almost the last minute, he had a really crappy 1st half of the season. 
 

2022-23 Petey was here early and working hard all Summer, he was by far the best player on the team. Demko was not dialled in and then his injury plus Martin and Delia being unable to win games in any manner really threw the season out the window. This team was fully capable of playoffs had it not been for the goaltending issue. We had plenty of injuries, but losing Demko and entrusting Martin with the net for an extended period of time was hopeless for us.

 

 

all in all, I can handle this, because these are not our contending years. These are years of gaining experience, facing adversity and developing. We are drafting in the top 15 which those players will likely require a few years and that is when our window will really open up, when the 2019-2025 guys begin to make the jump and make impacts on cheap deals. Podz and Hogs are still finding their way but they are coming along. We really arent far away from contending imo.

You look at all the games we played against top teams. We won quite a bit or we lost by 1-2 goals. We hardly were blown out by anyone. Less than 10 games against top teams were losses by more than 2 goals.

I strongly believe you are a Homer.

 

We got lucky in 2020 that COVID happened and we got a play in.

 

We were trending down heading into the last stretch of the season and I don't believe we would have made it.  Yes we looked great in the bubble by knocking off two teams but to say we have been unlucky the last few years (as opposed to incompetent) is just plain wrong.

[iinatcc]

13 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

I strongly believe this team would have made playoffs the last 3 seasons. 
COVID completely decimated us in 2020-21 and we fought an uphill battle. We lost Petey for 30 games and that hurt big time. Plus the 19 games in 30 days to finish the season right after COVID… okay whatever that was just bad luck.

 

2021-22 Demko AND Petey had really slow starts, which cost us a lot of games early on. We narrowly missed playoffs… okay that was a learning lesson, Petey took his time coming back to NA and waited til almost the last minute, he had a really crappy 1st half of the season. 
 

2022-23 Petey was here early and working hard all Summer, he was by far the best player on the team. Demko was not dialled in and then his injury plus Martin and Delia being unable to win games in any manner really threw the season out the window. This team was fully capable of playoffs had it not been for the goaltending issue. We had plenty of injuries, but losing Demko and entrusting Martin with the net for an extended period of time was hopeless for us.

 

 

all in all, I can handle this, because these are not our contending years. These are years of gaining experience, facing adversity and developing. We are drafting in the top 15 which those players will likely require a few years and that is when our window will really open up, when the 2019-2025 guys begin to make the jump and make impacts on cheap deals. Podz and Hogs are still finding their way but they are coming along. We really arent far away from contending imo.

You look at all the games we played against top teams. We won quite a bit or we lost by 1-2 goals. We hardly were blown out by anyone. Less than 10 games against top teams were losses by more than 2 goals.

Most teams actually benefited from Covid since it allowed them to sign certain players for less. If anything Canucks were more the exception than then norm in how covid negatively impacted an organization. And all this had to do with making moves w/o giving any flexibility should any situation occur (like a pandemic)

 

[Canucks Curse]

UFA 3Cs - descending level of ability

 

 

Compher

ROR

Monahan

E Rod

Barbashev

Domi

E Haula

Kampf

Acciari

Blueger (more like a good 4C)

Sundqvist

 

 

[MeanSeanBean]

7 hours ago, .Naslund said:

If he signed long term back then he’d be a UFA in his late twenties which would mean we’d be resigning him until his late thirties. Resigning Petey now means we will sign him for fair value through his prime years. 

The poster I was speaking to used both Quinn and Petey as examples of a job well done. Won't Quinn be in the position you just described?

[Diamonds]

2 hours ago, Canucks Curse said:

UFA 3Cs - descending level of ability

 

 

Compher

ROR

Monahan

E Rod

Barbashev

Domi

E Haula

Kampf

Acciari

Blueger (more like a good 4C)

Sundqvist

 

 

No Lars Eller on your list?

[Alflives]

2 hours ago, Canucks Curse said:

UFA 3Cs - descending level of ability

 

 

Compher

ROR

Monahan

E Rod

Barbashev

Domi

E Haula

Kampf

Acciari

Blueger (more like a good 4C)

Sundqvist

 

 

What about a trade with the Habs for Dvorak? He’s a right shot 3C, or would fill that role for us. Garland for Dvorak. Salaries pretty much saw off. They are about the same age too. Garland produces more, but Dvorak is a centre. 

[CanucksFan8353]

Never mind. 

Edited May 14, 2023 by CanucksFan8353

[Slegr]

This trade was so important for the Canucks last season. If we kept Bo, and signed him for what the Islanders did, we’d be kicking ourselves so hard for a 60-point player. His leadership seems it may have been very overrated and his impact on the team seems quite negligible. 

[Citizen Erased]

5 minutes ago, Slegr said:

This trade was so important for the Canucks last season. If we kept Bo, and signed him for what the Islanders did, we’d be kicking ourselves so hard for a 60-point player. His leadership seems it may have been very overrated and his impact on the team seems quite negligible. 

While you are right for the most part, I think he would have scored more points than that here, because he was playing with Miller, which padded his stats. 
 

He doesn’t have that linemate in Long Island. 

[coryberg]

17 minutes ago, Citizen Erased said:

While you are right for the most part, I think he would have scored more points than that here, because he was playing with Miller, which padded his stats. 
 

He doesn’t have that linemate in Long Island. 

 

Miller  .75PPG 

Barzal .86PPG 

 

He has that linemate... he will still be a 60 point player.

[HKSR]

1 minute ago, coryberg said:

 

Miller  .75PPG 

Barzal .86PPG 

 

He has that linemate... he will still be a 60 point player.

Miller was 1.01PPG last season.

Barzal was 0.88PPG.

 

That's a pretty significant difference, no?

 

Although in fairness, I felt like he was fading back to the 60 point player by the time we traded him away anyways.

[HorvatToBaertschi]

6 minutes ago, coryberg said:

 

Miller  .75PPG 

Barzal .86PPG 

 

He has that linemate... he will still be a 60 point player.

A bit too convenient to use a PWF's career stats, when Miller has averaged 90 points the last 2 seasons. Skewing stats to favor your argument. 

[Gawdzukes]

On 5/13/2023 at 3:03 AM, iinatcc said:

Most teams actually benefited from Covid since it allowed them to sign certain players for less. If anything Canucks were more the exception than then norm in how covid negatively impacted an organization. And all this had to do with making moves w/o giving any flexibility should any situation occur (like a pandemic)

 

They have been absolutely stupid since the Canadian division. That wasn't even real hockey without any fans. We should have been laying back this whole time like other bad teams collecting assets and prospects and setting the table for the future. Instead we just wasted the last 3 years giving up all of our capital and making bad deals.

 

We were a very poor team the last two years. We didn't deserve anything more than we got. I really hope the iteration is better this year being we're going for broke again. Any team could have made the playoffs if this that and the other, the reality is ours did not and stank it up in the process.

[coryberg]

54 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Miller was 1.01PPG last season.

Barzal was 0.88PPG.

 

That's a pretty significant difference, no?

 

Although in fairness, I felt like he was fading back to the 60 point player by the time we traded him away anyways.

 

Barzal is 4 years younger and put up near a point per game with a defensive minded islander system. If anything horvat has a better long term linemate in Barzal than Miller. 

 

Won't know how it plays out until it does but I'm willing to bet that the first half of last season was an anomaly and he will continue on his 25-30 goal 55-60 point production for the next 3-4 seasons before regression. Point is having Miller or barzal on his wing is negligible.

 

[coryberg]

1 hour ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

A bit too convenient to use a PWF's career stats, when Miller has averaged 90 points the last 2 seasons. Skewing stats to favor your argument. 

Career points per game is taking everything into account. That would be the opposite of skewing.