wildcam Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, Boudrias said: In memory 2 top d-men drafted are Dale Tallon and Quinn Hughes. Tallon was the beginning of poor player development which has continued for decades. Hughes is a talent that has risen above the BS of Canuckland. Like any player management has to value Quinn and decide if moving him is a net benefit to the organization. If they misjudge then the Canucks will suffer their decision for a decade or longer. My biggest fear is that he wants to move on like his friends did in Calgary. PA has some time to figure that out. This is not a panic situation. There are more important players to trade right now. I agree Tallon playing on poor expansion team .. Devils trade will heat up over next 6 to 10 months when youngest Hughes brother Luke joins the NJ Devils team..I imagine Luke will sign with Devils when his college season is over this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 This trade will not happen, the Canucks aren't dealing Hughes, and the Devils are paying the cost to get Hughes. But for fun.... Mercer- Young C who is already producing, looks like a very solid #2C Nemec- Big young RD, #2 pick last year Bahl- Giant young LD, playing well in limited minutes Holtz- High upside winger with good size, who is struggling to find his NHL game in his d+3 season I would do this trade, I think we would be a far better team. I doubt the Devils would do Nemec straight across though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 hours ago, GB5 said: For the Canucks to trade Hughes who is a player unlike any other to have ever played in Vancouver then jersey would need to offer a ridiculous lopsided offer. to VAN marino mercer nemec shakir 2023 1st and 2nd + 2024 1st to NJD hughes schenn rsthbone Not happening you say? exactly.... Jersey can either make it really worth it or buzz the hell off. But that isn’t to overpay. To have the triplets splahing records around them for fiftern years is an insane marketing tool for the Devils that is worth probably three times the players you think is overpayment. PA just have to convince the Devils of that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 17 hours ago, stawns said: Well that would be your wet dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 You won't get some crazy haul for Hughes. Quinn is an excellent defenceman, but a team is not giving up 5 or 6 assets for him. I think any package starts with Nemec and a 1st. Then you add in a roster player, and MAYBE a smaller add-on (B prospect or 2nd round pick) So... Nemec Wood 1st 2nd or to make room on the LHD... Nemec Siegenthaler 1st These proposals of Nemec + another top tier prospect + 1st + good roster player would never happen. Nemec is worth so much that I don't even think NJ would move him for Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, wildcam said: Thats ridiculous NJ doesn't make that trade..Your key players Nemec RD 18 - Mercer 21 W-- 1st rounder 2023 -- 2nd rounder 2024 Bahl 22 LD I meant it to be. My point being that if anyone want Hughes they need to give a ridiculous offer over and above the standard player + pick + prospect that has been bumped around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 16 hours ago, J.I.A.H.N said: Well, first of all, they are in like 4th or 5th place, so they are doing nothing like that this year, why mess with something that is not broken............ But since I deal in fantasy I think, It would be Severson for cap, Nemec, and a 1st Add another prospect and I would definitely be looking favourable at it. We gotta give to get... its that simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, HKSR said: You won't get some crazy haul for Hughes. Quinn is an excellent defenceman, but a team is not giving up 5 or 6 assets for him. I think any package starts with Nemec and a 1st. Then you add in a roster player, and MAYBE a smaller add-on (B prospect or 2nd round pick) So... Nemec Wood 1st 2nd or to make room on the LHD... Nemec Siegenthaler 1st These proposals of Nemec + another top tier prospect + 1st + good roster player would never happen. Nemec is worth so much that I don't even think NJ would move him for Hughes. Please explain how Nemec will raise the Devils value? He is nothing compared to Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Timråfan said: Please explain how Nemec will raise the Devils value? He is nothing compared to Hughes. By developing into a top pair RHD that will help them potentially win playoff rounds. I think he'll be better than Hamilton. When you have: RHD - Nemec, Hamilton, Marino LHD - Hughes, Sieganthaler, Graves 7D - Bahl That's a Stanley Cup winner in my mind. Win Cup = WAY, WAY more revenue than having 3 brothers with the same last name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, spook007 said: Add another prospect and I would definitely be looking favourable at it. We gotta give to get... its that simple. Yes, and and this scenario I would be moving Severson at the TDL too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, HKSR said: By developing into a top pair RHD that will help them potentially win playoff rounds. I think he'll be better than Hamilton. When you have: RHD - Nemec, Hamilton, Marino LHD - Hughes, Sieganthaler, Graves 7D - Bahl That's a Stanley Cup winner in my mind. Win Cup = WAY, WAY more revenue than having 3 brothers with the same last name. They can fix that after they got all the brothers collected. And no, the cup isn’t more revenue than the brothers as a marketing tool unless they win five in a row or something ridiculus like that. Edited February 8, 2023 by Timråfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Timråfan said: They can fix that after they got all the brothers collected. And no, the cup isn’t more revenue than the brothers as a marketing tool unless they win five in a row or something ridiculus like that. I disagree. Winning Cups is the ultimate marketing tool. If you think having 4 Sutters on one team, or multiple Stromes, or Staals generates more revenue than a Stanley Cup win, you are delusional lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 minute ago, HKSR said: I disagree. Winning Cups is the ultimate marketing tool. If you think having 4 Sutters on one team, or multiple Stromes, or Staals generates more revenue than a Stanley Cup win, you are delusional lol I gotta disagree HKSR If you win a cup and then a losing season right after, they will still tar and feather the coach, and GM...........fans have a short memory span, IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Boudrias said: In memory 2 top d-men drafted are Dale Tallon and Quinn Hughes. Tallon was the beginning of poor player development which has continued for decades. Hughes is a talent that has risen above the BS of Canuckland. Like any player management has to value Quinn and decide if moving him is a net benefit to the organization. If they misjudge then the Canucks will suffer their decision for a decade or longer. My biggest fear is that he wants to move on like his friends did in Calgary. PA has some time to figure that out. This is not a panic situation. There are more important players to trade right now. Yes Tallon is largely overlooked. He set the NHL record for points by a rookie defenseman that year (beating Bobby Orr's record, the first rookie defenseman to ever score 50 I think) and then we didn't develop him. And very shortly after we had Jocelyn Guevremont, who himself would have set that record if not for Tallon...and then we didn't develop him. Guevremont was very good...made the 1972 Canada vs. Russia team. We actually had two potentially near-franchise level defensemen to start things off 50 years ago, arguably in some ways the two best rookie defensemen of all time, on the same team...and waited another 50 with no Cups for Hughes to arrive. Guevremont was -28, -42 and -37 for the Canucks in his three seasons, then went to Buffalo and was immediately +33, +47, +26 and +25. Edited February 8, 2023 by Kevin Biestra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, HKSR said: I disagree. Winning Cups is the ultimate marketing tool. If you think having 4 Sutters on one team, or multiple Stromes, or Staals generates more revenue than a Stanley Cup win, you are delusional lol Maybe. But this is big business. Simulators are run, consultants are talked to. If the Devils think having all three Hughes, Americans will drive up revenues, they will pay up. If they offer up a deal you can't refuse, you need to seriously consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knucklehd Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 If a great deal is to be made, im all for it. I would think Quinn should be able to get better than what Horvat got. So 2 grade A+ young players, and a 1st to start. And probably a cap dump of some sort. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, LTC123 said: I too think that we over value QH: I'd argue the exact opposite. The guy is unreal as is, but when he had an actual top 4 guy who matched his playing style on his pair he was absolutely dominant. His value to this team is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, HKSR said: You won't get some crazy haul for Hughes. Quinn is an excellent defenceman, but a team is not giving up 5 or 6 assets for him. I think any package starts with Nemec and a 1st. Then you add in a roster player, and MAYBE a smaller add-on (B prospect or 2nd round pick) So... Nemec Wood 1st 2nd or to make room on the LHD... Nemec Siegenthaler 1st These proposals of Nemec + another top tier prospect + 1st + good roster player would never happen. Nemec is worth so much that I don't even think NJ would move him for Hughes. I think most people here understand that the actual offer New Jersey would make in this hypothetical is likely different than what Quinn’s worth. It’s hard to imagine a player of his age, position, and caliber being traded while locked up longer term on a very efficient AAV. Considering those factors, if I were GMPA it’s going to take Nemec, Mercer, Holtz, and an unprotected first rounder before I consider the trade. I still think it’s arguably not enough for Quinn and I’m fairly confident New Jersey wouldn’t want to pay this much. They can both be true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 With rumors that there have been leaks to me I would sit everyone down and if a trade like this happen and gets leaked fire everyone involved if leaked.But you have to take a trade that makes you better. 2 young guys and a replacement D plus first I would be all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Eklund is no more of a source than you or I he’s a goof 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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