Warhippy Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Nemec Mercer 2023 or 2024 1st 2023 2nd Ya, I'd do it. I'd hate it. But with rumours of Rutherford deciding he's done trying here. This is 100% something he'd do before walking. I'd also not hate it much myself either, but I'd be not totally sold on those picks. But Mercer an RHC newfy, Nemec an RHD; both under 22 and RFA status and two extra picks for Hughes.... I mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EB43 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, stawns said: did someone force you to come into this topic? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Nemec Mercer 2023 or 2024 1st 2023 2nd Ya, I'd do it. I'd hate it. But with rumours of Rutherford deciding he's done trying here. This is 100% something he'd do before walking. I'd also not hate it much myself either, but I'd be not totally sold on those picks. But Mercer an RHC newfy, Nemec an RHD; both under 22 and RFA status and two extra picks for Hughes.... I mean and both likely to be impact players, Nemec likely an elite dman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoastcanucks777 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Ok The Canucks haven’t won a cup. Why did the Canucks value rise so much during the Sedins years? Are you suggesting that the Canucks trade for more picks to draft any twins they can find? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Westcoastcanucks777 said: Are you suggesting that the Canucks trade for more picks to draft any twins they can find? Only if they can play like Sedins or Hughes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWN. Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Not sure if trading Hughes for anything other than a massive overpayment is smart.. That being said, I'm honestly so far past the point of actually caring.. I don't see any realistic path to being a contender as we sit right now, without moving an asset or two like Hughes, I think that rebuild/retool timeline is just going to drag on forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, MattWN. said: Not sure if trading Hughes for anything other than a massive overpayment is smart.. That being said, I'm honestly so far past the point of actually caring.. I don't see any realistic path to being a contender as we sit right now, without moving an asset or two like Hughes, I think that rebuild/retool timeline is just going to drag on forever. It has been 50 plus years of Canucks hockey. No Cups and I'm resigned to no Cup anytime soon. At least with Hughes we get to see something we've never seen before in a Canucks uniform. He'll be the first 70 point defenseman, the first 80 point defenseman, the first 500 point defenseman and if he sticks around and stays healthy...the first 1000 point Canucks defenseman and a Hall of Famer if he achieves that. That said...I would move him for the right package, but that package would have to be something spectacular. Back in the day Chelios got back a declining Denis Savard, Housley got back a declining Dale Hawerchuk. Chelios was the only one of the four that was a real playoff beast. Paul Coffey brought back Craig Simpson who led the NHL in playoff goals for the 1990 Oilers Cup run. But Coffey went on to win a Cup of his own in Pittsburgh and came pretty close again a few times in Detroit and Philadelphia. The Kings traded a 31 year old but still prime effectiveness Rob Blake for two first round picks and some warm bodies. Anyway...in the meantime the most interesting thing for me is to watch Hughes rewrite the Canucks record book, at least in terms of achievable goals. Obviously the team is pretty far away from achieving anything. Edited February 8, 2023 by Kevin Biestra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 OEL - Nemec Wolanin - Bear Dermott - Schenn/Myers Still not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 38 minutes ago, The Lock said: Give me a rumour thread on CDC where people don't post their proposals. There is literally an armchair gm and proposal board for this stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 27 minutes ago, Warhippy said: But Mercer an RHC newfy, This is the key here. I can only assume that Mercer would literally run through the boards for a loose puck, as it’s the Newfie way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, LegionOfDoom said: There is literally an armchair gm and proposal board for this stuff Again, give me a rumour thread on CDC where people don't post their proposals here anyway. This is normal for here. Are you trying to change the norm that everyone's used to? Is it that big of a deal to you? Edited February 8, 2023 by The Lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWN. Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Just now, Jester13 said: OEL - Nemec Wolanin - Bear Dermott - Schenn/Myers Still not good enough. It's worse. You can argue 4/7 of the guys there are fringe NHL calibre players, and 5/7 on a contender. There is just no solution for the backend when we have to carry OEL's contract. That move f**ked our team completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 34 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Nemec Mercer 2023 or 2024 1st 2023 2nd Ya, I'd do it. I'd hate it. But with rumours of Rutherford deciding he's done trying here. This is 100% something he'd do before walking. I'd also not hate it much myself either, but I'd be not totally sold on those picks. But Mercer an RHC newfy, Nemec an RHD; both under 22 and RFA status and two extra picks for Hughes.... I mean I'd do this, absolutely. It would re-write this franchise. Hughes will be close to the end of his contract by the time this team has turned it around. Why not start the infusion of quality youth now and bring the team up together behind JT and EP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) If it's for Hughes. The 1st round draft picks the next 3 years would be where I start. They don't really have prospects that I like. Maybe Mercer and Bahl? Edited February 8, 2023 by Ghostsof1915 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 47 minutes ago, stawns said: and both likely to be impact players, Nemec likely an elite dman So why would Jersey give up 2 elite pieces and a 1st for a "one dimensional dman?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 3 hours ago, HKSR said: I disagree. Winning Cups is the ultimate marketing tool. If you think having 4 Sutters on one team, or multiple Stromes, or Staals generates more revenue than a Stanley Cup win, you are delusional lol You are making an absolutely false dichotomy. They are better on the ice with Quinn Hughes for the next 2-4 years than they are with any of the pieces people are talking about coming back. They are more likely to win a Cup by adding a guy like Quinn, so it isn’t just a marketing play. It is improving the team AND a great marketing play, that is why it would be a compelling idea. Defence don’t often come in and dominate right away. Nemec and Luke are a ways away from being anywhere near as good as Quinn and they may never be. Contending teams still try to improve to get a leg up on other contending teams, they don’t just say “hey we are pretty good… let’s stand pat” As opposed to an older team like Pittsburgh or Washington trying to add a piece to extend a contending window… Jersey adding a high end veteran right now opens up their contending window sooner and wider. Any of Quinn, Miller, Boeser, or Garland makes them better now compared with prospects, picks, and guys at the bottom of the roster right now. So once you understand that Jersey is better in the short term by a move like this, you can also consider the longer term. They remove some high end prospects/assets that would be useful to manage the salary cap down the road. On the other side, they also have leverage in extension talks with the Hughes brothers. If they want to play together they can’t screw the team for every cent. Jack is already locked up, then you can keep a lid on Quinn and Luke’s next contracts to keep them together. That long term benefit can offset the loss of some ELC contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Timråfan said: Ok The Canucks haven’t won a cup. Why did the Canucks value rise so much during the Sedins years? Because they were winning and therefore selling out the arena. Isn't that pretty obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Provost said: You are making an absolutely false dichotomy. They are better on the ice with Quinn Hughes for the next 2-4 years than they are with any of the pieces people are talking about coming back. They are more likely to win a Cup by adding a guy like Quinn, so it isn’t just a marketing play. It is improving the team AND a great marketing play, that is why it would be a compelling idea. Defence don’t often come in and dominate right away. Nemec and Luke are a ways away from being anywhere near as good as Quinn and they may never be. Contending teams still try to improve to get a leg up on other contending teams, they don’t just say “hey we are pretty good… let’s stand pat” As opposed to an older team like Pittsburgh or Washington trying to add a piece to extend a contending window… Jersey adding a high end veteran right now opens up their contending window sooner and wider. Any of Quinn, Miller, Boeser, or Garland makes them better now compared with prospects, picks, and guys at the bottom of the roster right now. So once you understand that Jersey is better in the short term by a move like this, you can also consider the longer term. They remove some high end prospects/assets that would be useful to manage the salary cap down the road. On the other side, they also have leverage in extension talks with the Hughes brothers. If they want to play together they can’t screw the team for every cent. Jack is already locked up, then you can keep a lid on Quinn and Luke’s next contracts to keep them together. That long term benefit can offset the loss of some ELC contracts. I stopped reading after "They are better on the ice with Quinn Hughes... " Right there is a conclusion drawn by YOU. Nobody knows that the NJD will be better with Hughes while losing a good roster player, a top tier prospect in Nemec, etc. People also thought Selanne and Kariya would put the Avs over the top... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: So why would Jersey give up 2 elite pieces and a 1st for a "one dimensional dman?" because Nemec is a ways off and they're in win now mode and because they want the marketers dream of winning a Cup with three elite American brothers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, stawns said: because Nemec is a ways off and they're in win now mode and because they want the marketers dream of winning a Cup with three elite American brothers I believe you have successfully undervalued Hughes, while over valuing NJ magic beans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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