RUPERTKBD Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 11 hours ago, stawns said: That was my D #, though I played fwd too. 11 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Weird. Not all that weird.... FTR, I wore 19 like Big Bird and although I was mainly a forward, I also spent a fair amount of time on defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 hours ago, iinatcc said: There's one solution to fix all this then. Tear it all down including Pettersson and Hughes. What you say is true but it just means we are stuck in this vicious cycle of being bad or mediocre because Canucks try to patch a team to support Pettersson and Hughes. Maybe it would be best to do a full rebuild w/o any pressure of doing it during their primes. This is just it.... With Petey, QH and Demko we would not be able to do a full rebuild, as they wouldn't wanna hang around for that. However if this doesn't work over the next 3-4 years, a whole sale should happen (a total tear down and start from scratch)... Should probably have happened 5-6 years ago, but Benning cut corners and brought in Miller (great trade but bad timing) and later the OEL trade, to halt the influx of prospects. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I wonder if we will make the playoffs before he becomes another buyout candidate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Not all that weird.... FTR, I wore 19 like Big Bird and although I was mainly a forward, I also spent a fair amount of time on defense. Damn I miss the Bird! No one could rush and cut to the net like he could. I watched a Habs-Bryins playoff game from '78 over the Xmas holiday and he was such a joy to watch 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, canucklehead44 said: I wonder if we will make the playoffs before he becomes another buyout candidate Why would he be a buyout candidate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, stawns said: Why would he be a buyout candidate? Because this is a Canucks forum and most people here focus on what could go wrong constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 At the very least, I'm excited to see a rightshot Dman with a clapper from the point. It's been way too damn long since we've seen that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, stawns said: Why would he be a buyout candidate? Ballard, Gudbranson, OEL. Sunk cost fallacy. No matter how bad he is we will pay him big money in the next offseason. Given he is in his prime now, we are a bottom feeding team, and there are a tonne of red flags with the player I can’t see this not ending terribly. Same feeling I had when we made those other three trades Not really seeing much if anything to refute that this isn’t an absolutely horrific trade Edited March 2, 2023 by canucklehead44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamTurmoil Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 15 hours ago, TheQuietQuitter said: Your constant attention to his +/- rating would indicate that this metric holds a lot of value in your assessment of players. I used Larkin as an example of how +/- means nothing when it come to the value of a player. I'm just curious as to why you hold so much value in a player's +/- rating? For Dmen it sure does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamTurmoil Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 16 hours ago, Doxm said: Uh huh... go away troll. Name calling, when all else fails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 19 minutes ago, spook007 said: This is just it.... With Petey, QH and Demko we would not be able to do a full rebuild, as they wouldn't wanna hang around for that. However if this doesn't work over the next 3-4 years, a whole sale should happen (a total tear down and start from scratch)... Should probably have happened 5-6 years ago, but Benning cut corners and brought in Miller (great trade but bad timing) and later the OEL trade, to halt the influx of prospects. I was having that thought this morning as well. About 5 years ago is when we should have sold on Marky and Tanev despite being in the playoff race. Not traded for Toffoli. Oh well. but right now? Now, it kind of makes sense to try and aggressively build around Petey and Hughes. They aren’t 19/20 anymore. They’re either worth building around or not at this point - and darn is is hard to say they aren’t worth it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Face Doom Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 16 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said: Ballard, Gudbranson, OEL. Sunk cost fallacy. No matter how bad he is we will pay him big money in the next offseason. Given he is in his prime now, we are a bottom feeding team, and there are a tonne of red flags with the player I can’t see this not ending terribly. Same feeling I had when we made those other three trades Not really seeing much if anything to refute that this isn’t an absolutely horrific trade Reality check, it isn't a horrible trade at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 41 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: Everybody wants to rebuild and keep Pettersson and Hughes. They are mutually exclusive plans. Pettersson is the best center we've ever had and Hughes the best Dman. We can't give that up. Getting Hronek is a solid start to a re-tool, and many chips are yet to fall. We address our biggest need, while building around Pettersson Hughes and Demko. This is an extremely good move. The price was interesting, but draft picks aren't gonna do shit for Pettersson Hughes and Demko. Exactly. It's time we actually accept what management has said all along. They are NOT rebuilding. They are RETOOLING. Which means do not expect them to stockpile draft picks. Expect them to find players with the following characteristics: 1. 20 to 25 years old 2. Established that they can play and contribute effectively in the NHL Y'know who I'd love to see the Canucks acquire? Noah Hanifin. Hanifin next to Hronek would be incredible. Could probably be our top pair, and so imagine letting Hughes loose on the 2nd pair to just focus on offensive damage. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxNaslundxX Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I have preached to trade everyone for 1st round picks for like 6 months now. We need a rebuild. We traded our captain for a first round pick. I thought we were finally rebuilding. We had a direction. Now we are expending huge draft capital to retool defense. so like, now what's the plan? Were probably in the exact same middle of the pack meddling place in another 6 months. Not much better and not good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, HKSR said: Exactly. It's time we actually accept what management has said all along. They are NOT rebuilding. They are RETOOLING. Which means do not expect them to stockpile draft picks. Expect them to find players with the following characteristics: 1. 20 to 25 years old 2. Established that they can play and contribute effectively in the NHL Y'know who I'd love to see the Canucks acquire? Noah Hanifin. Hanifin next to Hronek would be incredible. Could probably be our top pair, and so imagine letting Hughes loose on the 2nd pair to just focus on offensive damage. And at least they are acquiring good players relative to what they are giving up...Hronek is top end for a high price, Bear is a solid D for a low price, etc. They are receiving comparable value, unlike the last re-tool where JB's group really struggled with targeting useful NHL players and/or overpaying for sub-par NHL players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, XxNaslundxX said: I have preached to trade everyone for 1st round picks for like 6 months now. We need a rebuild. We traded our captain for a first round pick. I thought we were finally rebuilding. We had a direction. Now we are expending huge draft capital to retool defense. so like, now what's the plan? Were probably in the exact same middle of the pack meddling place in another 6 months. Not much better and not good enough. Heres a little hopium for you though We have a very potent top-6 and an elite offensive defenseman that supports it We have a potential top-10 league wide netminder One of our biggest issues last year in lopsided possession metrics was the fact that we had one single defenseman that was capable of controlled zone exits (Hughes). Now we have 2 that are not only capable, but among the best in the league at it. Add to the Salo-esque shot from the point. What we really need now is a couple defenseman that can effectively kill penalties, and a center who can kill penalties (Bo wasnt very good at it, other than winning faceoffs). If this management team can address those 2 needs, we actually have a really good team. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, XxNaslundxX said: I have preached to trade everyone for 1st round picks for like 6 months now. We need a rebuild. We traded our captain for a first round pick. I thought we were finally rebuilding. We had a direction. Now we are expending huge draft capital to retool defense. so like, now what's the plan? Were probably in the exact same middle of the pack meddling place in another 6 months. Not much better and not good enough. Thanks! You must be the only person in this world with this knowledge! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, 5nothincanucksohno said: And at least they are acquiring good players relative to what they are giving up...Hronek is top end for a high price, Bear is a solid D for a low price, etc. They are receiving comparable value, unlike the last re-tool where JB's group really struggled with targeting useful NHL players and/or overpaying for sub-par NHL players. Yeah, if we're gonna pay through the nose in terms of picks or prospects, then make sure it's for a really well established player. Hronek is on pace for over 50 points this season. That would put him among the top 15 best seasons by a Canuck defenceman in the history of the franchise! Put that into perspective! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jester13 Posted March 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2023 Well, I've slept on it, and I've come to the following conclusion: I wish we didn’t trade our two best picks in the deepest draft in decades, but management disagrees with building a long-term contender and will push the rebuild down the road some more, so they're going to make a go of it with our core of Petey and Hughes (two future greatest Canucks of all time), so LFGoooooo!!! I'm in, because I have to be. Accept the things you cannot change and have the wisdom to know the difference, as they say. I just hope Hronek stays healthy and works out and we don't crash and burn right away but actually do make a go of it. The alternative is continued mediocrity, and I'm tired of that. 2 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) What happened to the "Major Surgery" JR?????? This has Aqualini impatience & JB "Re-Tool" written all over it ! Edited March 2, 2023 by RU SERIOUS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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