[Trade] Red Wings trade Filip Hronek, 2023 4th-round pick to Canucks for conditional 2023 1st-round pick (NYI), 2023 2nd-round pick

[CanuckinEdm]

People are actually hilarious if we are rebuilding you keep players like Miller and Boeser and you trade players like Demko, Pettersson, and Hughes because by the time this team would be ready to compete Hughes Pettersson and Demko will be ufas and will not want to sign with us. 

[sxqhfeh]

this management thought they saw the light at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel was just a painting at the side of a cliff

[KoreanHockeyFan]

Just now, Provost said:

It is really annoying how JR keeps repeating that he understands the impatience of Canucks fans and wanting to win a Cup.

 

He doesn’t get it at all.  You can just see the responses to this trade as showing where the market is.

 

Most people are upset about acquiring an excellent young RHD because it cost us high picks.  An impatient fan base loves this deal.

 

Most of us know Hronek doesn’t turn us into a contender, and likely not even a playoff team.  Good player, bad timing.  Keep the picks and build a pipeline so you have a chance to actually compete in a few years and not just fight for a wildcard spot at best.

I think the more important question is, how patient do you think Petey and Hughes are? How long before 2023 draft class prospects become formidable NHLers? 

 

If you don't think Petey and Hughes will want to stick around then, might as well lean harder into the idea of a rebuild and sell Petey and Hughes now while their values are sky high. 

[Petterson649]

Annndd management has decided we are not going for a full rebuild. Good luck to another 20 years of mediocrity!

[*Buzzsaw*]

I just read the trade for Chychrun... WTF!!!!

 

The cost for Chychrun is barely more than for Hronek.

 

And Chychrun is by far the better player.

 

Hronek is not the optimal partner for Hughes... we needed someone like Schenn, who was 7 years younger and with more mobility.

 

Hughes needs a protector on the ice... not another small D partner.

 

Maybe Chychrun couldn't play with Hughes, but he could have formed his own pairing to complement the Hughes pairing.

 

Really feel management dropped the ball on this one.

[McBackup]

1 minute ago, Provost said:

It is really annoying how JR keeps repeating that he understands the impatience of Canucks fans and wanting to win a Cup.

 

He doesn’t get it at all.  You can just see the responses to this trade as showing where the market is.

 

Most people are upset about acquiring an excellent young RHD because it cost us high picks.  An impatient fan base loves this deal.

 

Most of us know Hronek doesn’t turn us into a contender, and likely not even a playoff team.  Good player, bad timing.  Keep the picks and build a pipeline so you have a chance to actually compete in a few years and not just fight for a wildcard spot at best.

It’s pretty clear JR is impatient for a cup because he knows at 74 this is his last stop and he’s projecting that on to fans who want nothing more than a proper rebuild instead of this never-ending “retool on the fly”.

[NHL97OneTimer]

This is terrible.  Yesterday I was cheering the fact that the day had finally arrived where we start a proper rebuild.  Well, it was enjoyable while it lasted.  

 

Fair or unfair, we just traded away a first and a high second round pick.  We traded away potentially 2 players that would have played at lower contracts for years to come.......possibly 2 higher-end players.  If we were a playoff team already, I wouldn't have minded this.  But we're not. 

 

Let's not forget that if Hronek plays well (and with Demko playing well), we also drop in the draft order.

 

A trade like this in 3 years would have made good sense to me.  Not this year though.  UGH!

[MystifyNCrucify]

3 minutes ago, stawns said:

And that really isn't a thing.  You use high picks to draft your core, which van has done.

Wrong. So wrong. 

 

Vancouver has a few players that might be good, but together they suck ball saxophones. They traded their goddamned captain to “make it work”.

 

Demko is always injured. Hughes is overworked. Petersson is sheltered. 

 

Is that the kinda core you want for a contender? Or are you saying boeser, ekman-etc and garland are part of the core. 

[Mustard Tiger]

 

[Canuck Surfer]

4 hours ago, Nuckin Kingsly said:

Really?? Isn’t Hronek not so good at the defence part of Defence? I’m not too familiar. I know Detroit isn’t the best team, but didn’t we need more size? Was really excited about the fact we had 2 firsts this year… and a second?!? What in the actual F. This really caught me off guard 

Defense is not bad. He's much better than his ''prospect profiles.' And he is not a prospect. Plays nearly 22 minutes a night, in all situations.

 

Starts 55% of his shifts in the defensive end. Scoring at a 55 to 60 point pace. Goals against per 60 is better than any existing Canuck D. Also reflects well on Detroit's team. He kills penalties, #'s also very good on the PK.  He is used and is absolutely effective in o=his own end. A bit high on turnovers, but not high % chances against.

 

Is he physical? He shows up. What he does not do is block a lot of shots with 54; about the same as Quinn Hughes. Registers well in the hits department with 97.  Which would be behind only Schenn on the Canuck D!  Now our leader? Not the puts people on stretchers or fights. He is not big; but not small either at 6' 190 lbs. I guess he will have to be better at blocking shots on our team?

 

There is not anyone on our D with his results defending.  Not OEL, certainly not Myers, also better than Bear, Schenn, Burroughs. Is he Tanev? No. 

 

 

 

I think this trade would have looked great in summer. When it did not impact Bedard sweepstakes.

[MaxVerstappen33]

17 minutes ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

Well, we have had them for a while now and have stunk so there goes that theory.

top 5 offensive team in the league. Just bad structure. 

 

 

[fanofvan]

5 minutes ago, RolexSub said:

Bro I think you are the only one here that is happy about this trade!!! 

Ask yourself, wouldn't it make more sense to conduct this trade during the off season when you have these picks for high depth draft since 2015!!! 

Add me to the list, I don't mind the trade at all.  The Canucks biggest need was a RHD who can move the puck, help with zone exits, and fits the age range of the core.  Hronek fits that bill and is a known commodity, not a mid round draft pick which may or may not pan out.  He is the 10th highest scoring right shot defenceman in the league this season and had the 2nd best +/- on the Red Wings.

[Nicklas Bo Hunter]

Come on guys... Romanov got the 13th overall. Hronek is soon much better than him. We needed a young RHD badly to play with Hughes. They are expensive to get. This pick could turn out to be a jordan Schroeder ffs. 

[Provost]

Just now, KoreanHockeyFan said:

I think the more important question is, how patient do you think Petey and Hughes are? How long before 2023 draft class prospects become formidable NHLers? 

 

If you don't think Petey and Hughes will want to stick around then, might as well lean harder into the idea of a rebuild and sell Petey and Hughes now while their values are sky high. 

I agree and have said as much repeatedly.  Once we missed the boat on trading Miller last deadline for assets and cap space that could have turned us into a fringe playoff team this year with actual NHL calibre prospects in the pipeline… I think we missed the boat on Petterson and Hughes in their club controlled years.

 

Why would Petterson want to sign here is there isn’t a light at the end of the tunnel or unless we way overpay him?  We could be faced with moving him as a rental next deadline.  Hughes isn’t much longer than that, nor is Demko.

 

If we traded them all for picks and prospects, we then have a critical mass of cheap ELC players coming in for 2-5 years and producing beyond their cap hits.  That is how you build a contender.

 

Perversely, whatever castoffs and bad contracts we take back in deals like this probably end up performing better in the standings than this capped out squad.

[Pure961089]

2 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said:

 

The fault lies with neither of them.  No matter who we have as GM they will all do what they’re told by ownership.  

[MaxVerstappen33]

1 minute ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Defense is not bad. He's much better than his ''prospect profiles.' And he is not a prospect. Plays nearly 22 minutes a night, in all situations.

 

Starts 55% of his shifts in the defensive end. Scoring at a 55 to 60 point pace. Goals against per 60 is better than any existing Canuck D. Also reflects well on Detroit's team. He kills penalties, #'s also very good on the PK.  He is used and is absolutely effective in o=his own end. A bit high on turnovers, but not high % chances against.

 

Is he physical? He shows up. What he does not do is block a lot of shots with 54; about the same as Quinn Hughes. Registers well in the hits department with 97.  Which would be behind only Schenn on the Canuck D!  Now our leader? Not the puts people on stretchers or fights. He is not big; but not small either at 6' 190 lbs. I guess he will have to be better at blocking shots on our team?

 

There is not anyone on our D with his results defending.  Not OEL, certainly not Myers, also better than Bear, Schenn, Burroughs. Is he Tanev? No. 

 

 

 

I think this trade would have looked great in summer. When it did not impact Bedard sweepstakes.

He might settle back down to last year. Or maybe he's an elite defensman just breaking out. We went long, Yzerman went short. I like his chances playing with Hughs

[Chickenspear]

1 minute ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said:

Come on guys... Romanov got the 13th overall. Hronek is soon much better than him. We needed a young RHD badly to play with Hughes. They are expensive to get. This pick could turn out to be a jordan Schroeder ffs. 

Or a Nicklas Jensen, or a Hunter Shinkaruk... 

 

 

[ilduce39]

On the bright side, Hronek apparently ranks right there with Hughes in the fancy “WAR” stats or whatever. He’s a righty.  Same age. Elite on the PK this year.

 

We have 2 legit D men in their prime. 

 

Petey is ascending to superstardom.  A boat load of quality wingers to choose from.  

 

Demko is back.  Silovs looks good.  Tocchet has the team playing a lot better. 
 

Hopefully we don’t turn it around *too soon* but hey could be fun to watch next year.

 

Really need a LD who can PK.  aaaaand a 3C. 

[stawns]

5 minutes ago, MystifyNCrucify said:

Wrong. So wrong. 

 

Vancouver has a few players that might be good, but together they suck ball saxophones. They traded their goddamned captain to “make it work”.

 

Demko is always injured. Hughes is overworked. Petersson is sheltered. 

 

Is that the kinda core you want for a contender? Or are you saying boeser, ekman-etc and garland are part of the core. 

I'm with you on horvat, believe me.  They made a huge mistake picking miller.

 

That said, they've done what all teams do......use their high picks to draft their core players and they'll get another core piece this year.

 

This was a good deal, just done at the wrong time.

[Elias Pettersson]

41 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

No. I've been following for all 52 seasons. I'm tired of being content with just making the playoffs. I want the team to be a true contender once again. IMO, you don't get there by trading away draft picks just to make yourself a playoff  bubble team....

 

Anyway. This is getting redundant. I've made several posts about why I don't like this deal and why I want a rebuild. I can't explain myself any more clearly and if some folks still can't see why, then I can't help you.

 

I honestly hope that I'm wrong and all of you who like this trade are right.....but I don't think that's the case.

JR is 74 years old.  He was never brought in to do a rebuild.  It was always going to be a retool on the fly.  Some people got hope of a rebuild when we traded BO for Raty and that 1st round pick, and then the Miller rumours.  But I knew all along JR was going to trade the NYI pick for a RHD.  I said it many times and I might even look for those posts.

 

Petey and Hughes are gonna be 25 and 24 this year.  Demko is gonna be 28.  Hronek is gonna be 26.  Miller is gonna be 30.  They are all in the timeline to win now, or 2-3 years from now.  Teams that are rebuilding don't already have their superstar talent.  That is why they are rebuilding.  If Petey and Hughes weren't around then I would say let's tear this whole thing down.  But when you have possibly the greatest Canuck ever just entering his prime and possibly the greatest Canuck defenceman of all time also in that timeline, both playing together at the same time, and you also have a goalie who has shown to be Vezina calibre, you just need to go for it.  You can't wait it out and hope and pray that your 25 draft picks pan out.  I mean, what happens if they don't?  Then you effectively wasted the prime years of two of the greatest players in Canucks history.  We can't afford to take that risk.  We need to go for it now...