73 Percent Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I kind of hope so, but only if he goes to another division, But I wonder if this is just Green trying to teach Jake a lesson (again for the 100th time) by giving him a time-out. I honestly dont care either way. Hes not hurting the team. Not helping the team. I doubt he'll help or hurt another team, whether its florida or Calgary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: I honestly dont care either way. Hes not hurting the team. Not helping the team. I doubt he'll help or hurt another team, whether its florida or Calgary. True, he's not expensive like some players, and young enough that he might still one day do something. Who knows, could be during the payoffs one of these years when Jake suddenly wakes up and goes on a tear to help us win. That would be sweet and make it all worth while . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 The Hockey Guy did a good comparison this morning between Jake and Sam Bennett .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 That guy said something about Bennett being buried in the Lames lineup, and perhaps breaking out on a new team, similar to Karlsson before he ended up in Vegas. Maybe. But the reality is, and same is true with Jake, they both have had numerous opportunities to earn their spot. And that's the key for any of these players - earning your spot. What's Sam's excuse? What these two guys need to do is study and apply the work ethic of Motte, Hoglander, and guys like Miller, Horvat, Petey, Brock, etc. It's a 'show-me world', and the fact that these guys are blowing it, that's obviously on them. It's theirs for the taking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 1/28/2021 at 3:02 PM, bbllpp said: Noticed Jake about to make two big hits that the camera missed as it followed the puck. A lot of the physical game happens off camera. I like this line, having Big Mack as an effective forechecker gives the line more options Jake may not be filling the net but he’s not hurting the team either I think he can contribute to the team. People on here need to get over the fact that he was drafted in the 1st round, top ten pick. He'll never live up to that draft position, we get it. But I think he can still be a useful player. He doesn't score as much as us fans want him to, but I think he's not hurting the team like he was in years past either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 2 hours ago, BarnBurner said: That guy said something about Bennett being buried in the Lames lineup, and perhaps breaking out on a new team, similar to Karlsson before he ended up in Vegas. Maybe. But the reality is, and same is true with Jake, they both have had numerous opportunities to earn their spot. And that's the key for any of these players - earning your spot. What's Sam's excuse? What these two guys need to do is study and apply the work ethic of Motte, Hoglander, and guys like Miller, Horvat, Petey, Brock, etc. It's a 'show-me world', and the fact that these guys are blowing it, that's obviously on them. It's theirs for the taking. It's true that Virtanen's work ethic isn't very good. If he can put the work in, and put the damn effort in consistently, he would be one hell of a player. Unfortunately, everyone who has predicted that the arrivals of Höglander and Podkolzin may drive Jake further down the line up, and eventually be the odd man out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 minute ago, N4ZZY said: It's true that Virtanen's work ethic isn't very good. If he can put the work in, and put the damn effort in consistently, he would be one hell of a player. Unfortunately, everyone who has predicted that the arrivals of Höglander and Podkolzin may drive Jake further down the line up, and eventually be the odd man out. Fair enough, but my point is/was is, what's true of Jake is also true of Bennett. My point has nothing to do with Hoglander or Podkolzin. It's all on Jake and Bennett. Are they willing to step up to the plate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BarnBurner said: Fair enough, but my point is/was is, what's true of Jake is also true of Bennett. My point has nothing to do with Hoglander or Podkolzin. It's all on Jake and Bennett. Are they willing to step up to the plate? I'm not sure if a change of scenery will help Bennett. I'm not sure it'll help Jake either. Work ethic doesn't change simply because your environment changes. Work ethic really has to do more with character than it does scene. But I suppose some players need a change of scenery to benefit. I think for Virtanen, it may be that he's just distracted with friends, and familiarity, and he's just settled. He's made it to the NHL. What more is there to do? Maybe that's his thought process? like "hey, what more do you want from me. I got drafted in the first round. I've now signed a mult-million dollar deal, and I'm an NHL player." What would Bennett bring that Jake hasn't or doesn't this season so far? EDIT: What's more concerning for me is that Bennett's career high is 36 points, and he has regressed every season since then. Jake has improved, even if it's slight improvements over the years since he's been drafted. The trend for Bennett isn't great. Virtanen is still, it seems to me, progressing, even if the progression is ever so slight, he's moving in the right direction as opposed to Bennett who's moving the other way Edited February 2, 2021 by N4ZZY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: I'm not sure if a change of scenery will help Bennett. I'm not sure it'll help Jake either. Work ethic doesn't change simply because your environment changes. Work ethic really has to do more with character than it does scene. But I suppose some players need a change of scenery to benefit. I think for Virtanen, it may be that he's just distracted with friends, and familiarity, and he's just settled. He's made it to the NHL. What more is there to do? Maybe that's his thought process? like "hey, what more do you want from me. I got drafted in the first round. I've now signed a mult-million dollar deal, and I'm an NHL player." What would Bennett bring that Jake hasn't or doesn't this season so far? EDIT: What's more concerning for me is that Bennett's career high is 36 points, and he has regressed every season since then. Jake has improved, even if it's slight improvements over the years since he's been drafted. The trend for Bennett isn't great. Virtanen is still, it seems to me, progressing, even if the progression is ever so slight, he's moving in the right direction as opposed to Bennett who's moving the other way What are you writing a book about? My point was they both have to take responsibility for who they become as players. Move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post J-P Posted February 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2021 Thought Jake had a strong game, but then again, he'll probably be invisible tomorrow and/or the game after, and that's the problem... 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksForever2 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) Jim stop sleeping and trade this plug already! Even for a 7th round pick. Edited February 2, 2021 by CanucksForever2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Gaudette had a better game last game but wasn't great this game. Virtanen had a better game this game. Both these players struggle with consistency. The spots are there for bottom 6 roles long term. Which ever guys that step up out of Mac/Gaud/Virtanen and eventually Hawryluk will secure them. Once Pod comes room will have to be made. You don't want to be on the outside looking in at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Good game for Jake now isn't 2 goals, it's 2 hits. We need to lower our expectations of him. Gaudette was brutal tonight but fair play to his character for going out in a couple of shifts, taking the puck and just going straight through Montreal to score. I just don't see that level of determination in Jake. Virtanen had some nice cycles and hits but that's about it, that's 4th liner territory he's in now and I don't see him breaking out of it to be honest. He was scoring at a 20 goal pace last season but like most of the team looks like he's regressed. On a team which plays such a high risk offensive style, he should be doing much better. You can bet if the Canucks miss the playoffs JB is going to make lots of changes, starting with JV (and probably ending with the coaches). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law of Goalies Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Good game for Jake now isn't 2 goals, it's 2 hits. We need to lower our expectations of him. Gaudette was brutal tonight but fair play to his character for going out in a couple of shifts, taking the puck and just going straight through Montreal to score. I just don't see that level of determination in Jake. Virtanen had some nice cycles and hits but that's about it, that's 4th liner territory he's in now and I don't see him breaking out of it to be honest. He was scoring at a 20 goal pace last season but like most of the team looks like he's regressed. On a team which plays such a high risk offensive style, he should be doing much better. You can bet if the Canucks miss the playoffs JB is going to make lots of changes, starting with JV (and probably ending with the coaches). To be honest, at least Jake plays better D than Gauds. And for hits and shots, no one said a good game for him is two goals. For him, a good game has always been, hit a ton, shoot a lot, play good d which would eventually lead to goals. He has done that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Law of Goalies said: To be honest, at least Jake plays better D than Gauds. And for hits and shots, no one said a good game for him is two goals. For him, a good game has always been, hit a ton, shoot a lot, play good d which would eventually lead to goals. He has done that. To be fair, Gaud has played in way fewer NHL games than Jake. He hasn't had the opportunities to learn the defensive game (at the NHL level) as Jake has. He was pretty much all offence in his college years. Regardless, I suspect that in the coming years, both these players may be passed by at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I was a very loyal Jake defender up until this season. I'm beyond frustrated with him and wouldn't be upset if we moved him along right now. Even if we lose overall long term value and simply get some help for this season. Hoping Jim can get more of course but I wouldn't be totally bent out of shape over it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PuckYa Posted February 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) On 7/15/2017 at 1:27 PM, CoolCanucklehead said: Again, Virtanen is 20 years old. Kunitz was 27 years old before he played a season in the NHL. Maroon was 26 years old when he made the NHL. Kassian was 23 years old when he played his 1st NHL season. Penner was 25 years old in his 1st NHL season. Along with all the other dozen players I named you that didn't make the NHL until mid 20's. All these players have something in common. They took more time than most of their piers did to make it to the show & once they did most have became as valuable or more than the ones who got there earlier than them. I'm not saying he's a guaranteed NHL player but I'm also not going to say that he has no chance to be a top 6 player or something in the middle YET. Way too much development time still on Jakes side. He could easily be a big part of the puzzle here in years to come whether it's in the top 6 or bottom 6. Jake still has at least 3 more years before you can label him as a failure if we actually go by history of all these players & many many more. ^ This my post from 2017 On 1/15/2021 at 1:47 PM, CoolCanucklehead said: 2 years of coming into camp under coaches standard. Gets called out publicly by the GM after a poor playoffs. After all that he comes in this year without much drive in him again. If anybody needed to come out of the gates flying it was Jake. I've been one to back this guy up waiting patiently for him to mature. Obviously it's just not going to happen in this city. He doesn't fit in the top 6 simply because he's not smart enough. Hogs is already passed him & Podz will undoubtedly do the same. I'm not sure he fits in our bottom 6 either as he's not hungry or gritty enough. He seems to play to not get hurt or scratched or bruised or mess his pretty hair up in anyway. Motter, Macewan, Roussel, Gaudette, even Beagle bring more to the table than Virtanen does. His strengths is in his skating when he has open space and his quick hard shot. Just like in junior where he could use that more regularly with his physicality. Unfortunately that kind of space & one dimensional play doesn't translate to the NHL or even AHL as we've seen & his physicality play has pretty much disappeared. This guy is not willing to put in the work/hustle, throw the big hits drive to the net and in your face hockey that he needs to do to be an impact player he could be. Kind of a pretty boy attitude which isn't working or flying with his team mates, GM, etc. Address change might be the only thing that wakes him up. Just my humble opinion after 9 years of watching him develop. PS. Truly still HOPE Jake can prove me wrong, but I'm starting to lose faith just a bit as you can see. ^ This is my post a few weeks ago. 4 hours ago, Rush17 said: I was a very loyal Jake defender up until this season. I'm beyond frustrated with him and wouldn't be upset if we moved him along right now. Even if we lose overall long term value and simply get some help for this season. Hoping Jim can get more of course but I wouldn't be totally bent out of shape over it. I hear you bro. I've supported this guy since his draft year. He's in his 7th Pro Season. When you've been called out publicly by coaches a few years in a row at training camps, then the GM calls you out for your poor playoff performance. This was the season to come out of the gates flying if ever. Instead he needs another reset just 10 games into his 7th Pro Season... 7 years of dreaming he'll mature when he clearly isn't putting in the effort or getting the hockey IQ part of it either. I'm not seeing it anymore. (No PP or PK skills either). The babying him along was fine if he was showing or is still showing signs of a top 6 player. His 3rd line status is pretty much disappearing. So it's definitely not worthy of a 4th liner to be babied along at this point if he is even worthy of that roll in the future. 7+ years to develop a 4th liner making 2.5 Million still needing a timeout from his coaches like a child. Enough is enough. Edited February 3, 2021 by CoolCanucklehead 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law of Goalies Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 5 hours ago, CoolCanucklehead said: ^ This my post from 2017 ^ This is my post a few weeks ago. I hear you bro. I've supported this guy since his draft year. He's in his 7th Pro Season. When you've been called out publicly by coaches a few years in a row at training camps, then the GM calls you out for your poor playoff performance. This was the season to come out of the gates flying if ever. Instead he needs another reset just 10 games into his 7th Pro Season... 7 years of dreaming he'll mature when he clearly isn't putting in the effort or getting the hockey IQ part of it either. I'm not seeing it anymore. (No PP or PK skills either). The babying him along was fine if he was showing or is still showing signs of a top 6 player. His 3rd line status is pretty much disappearing. So it's definitely not worthy of a 4th liner to be babied along at this point if he is even worthy of that roll in the future. 7+ years to develop a 4th liner making 2.5 Million still needing a timeout from his coaches like a child. Enough is enough. Sure buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 10 hours ago, CoolCanucklehead said: ^ This my post from 2017 ^ This is my post a few weeks ago. I hear you bro. I've supported this guy since his draft year. He's in his 7th Pro Season. When you've been called out publicly by coaches a few years in a row at training camps, then the GM calls you out for your poor playoff performance. This was the season to come out of the gates flying if ever. Instead he needs another reset just 10 games into his 7th Pro Season... 7 years of dreaming he'll mature when he clearly isn't putting in the effort or getting the hockey IQ part of it either. I'm not seeing it anymore. (No PP or PK skills either). The babying him along was fine if he was showing or is still showing signs of a top 6 player. His 3rd line status is pretty much disappearing. So it's definitely not worthy of a 4th liner to be babied along at this point if he is even worthy of that roll in the future. 7+ years to develop a 4th liner making 2.5 Million still needing a timeout from his coaches like a child. Enough is enough. I don't understand Jake. Like, what is it with him? Is it entitlement? He's got all the skills and God given ability to be a top player in the league, at the very least a middling of the pack player in the league, if he can just put some goddamn effort when he's on the ice. Play like you &^@#ing care about your future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Fans for what ever reason have been inclined to listen to the hype and media and that's OK. Too many simply don't believe what their own eyes are telling them and that's OK, we're fans. The greatest problem is management has taken way, way, to long to man up and make the chnages that are needed. Now we have a player worth very little, few other GM's have an apatite for JV. He's not only unable to live up to expectations but we've compounded the problem by management falling into the ostrich syndrome, a wasted asset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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