Warhippy Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 23 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: Tanev isn't a 1D in this league. Jones is a 1D. You can't get 1C for 3D Jones is not a 1D. he was a decent top 4 on a stacked defensive team. He WILL be a top flight D man in his time though no question. Too young and buried behind Josi Weber etc to break out in Nashville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 54 minutes ago, oldnews said: No, not really. Werenski is a teenager and Paliotta is just nearing NHL readiness - what it does is give them a solid top four presently, with depth, a succession plan and the ability to deal with an injury or two (Murray's health has been off thus far in his career). I agree. I don't see CBJ in a rush to trade for a Johansen replacement and they would probably have to sell a bit low on Murray ATM. Nor should they give up on their good young D. They spent a good while accumulating these guys. Not to mention dismissing Snow on a (reported) offer of all their draft picks one year for the pick that became Murray. They are currently tracking to get a 1C in the next draft anyhow. 25 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Seriously shocked Poille did this knowing that RyJo has some health and work ethic issues and could walk away at contracts end Does he? Last year he came out of the gate like a Tasmanian Devil after signing his bridge contract. Appears all the various stresses on the relationship started compounding and he tuned out. In any case, last year showed he has at least HAD the work ethic and capacity. Just my opinion; but I believe Seth Jones is absolutely solid. But I don't see his upside becoming a Chris Pronger. I do believe Johansen has more upside. So I think Nashville will win this trade when we look back in a few years. But we'll see. I've been wrong before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 30 minutes ago, KKnight said: Unless I've been puffing the magic dragon. I believe Forsberg is playing LW. But I get what you're saying. I think their lines shape up like Forsberg-Johansen-Neal Wilson-Ribeiro-Smith Fisher on the third and so on and so on Correct. Forsberg has never played centre in Milwaukee or Nashville. The NHL should change the positions for Forsberg, Wilson and Smith - they are all marked as Cs but all three are wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 The more I think about it, the more I like the Jackets end of the deal. Its hard to compare a 1d to a 1c but IMO Jones has a better chance of winning a Norris than Ryjo does winning a scoring title down the road. I think Seth has a much higher ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 4 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Jones is not a 1D. he was a decent top 4 on a stacked defensive team. He WILL be a top flight D man in his time though no question. Too young and buried behind Josi Weber etc to break out in Nashville Yes not yet. He will be. Hes only 21 not many 21 Yr Olds are 1D but I think u got what I was trying to get across. Tanev plays on top pair but he's not a top pair D. Hes 2nd pair D and he won't get u a 1C in trade like Jones did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: I agree. I don't see CBJ in a rush to trade for a Johansen replacement and they would probably have to sell a bit low on Murray ATM. Nor should they give up on their good young D. They spent a good while accumulating these guys. Not to mention dismissing Snow on a (reported) offer of all their draft picks one year for the pick that became Murray. They are currently tracking to get a 1C in the next draft anyhow. Does he? Last year he came out of the gate like a Tasmanian Devil after signing his bridge contract. Appears all the various stresses on the relationship started compounding and he tuned out. In any case, last year showed he has at least HAD the work ethic and capacity. Just my opinion; but I believe Seth Jones is absolutely solid. But I don't see his upside becoming a Chris Pronger. I do believe Johansen has more upside. So I think Nashville will win this trade when we look back in a few years. But we'll see. I've been wrong before. Torts is a lot of things, but not a liar. he questioned RyJos work ethic and ability to stay healthy/competitive. Where there's smoke there's fire. Plus doesn't RyJo have a heart issue? That is more the issue I am speaking of as after watching Peverly, Dupuis etc leaving the league I am shocked Poille would take that risk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 7 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Did you read my proposal today? Nothing tops it. So much coffee Just had a look at it. As far as crazy outlandish proposals go thats mild. I must admit it was very creative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 jackets already of Murray and Werenski now with Jones and up front foligno and wennberg plus they will prob land Matthews, thats a future SC contending core Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Tortorella will destroy Seth Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Just now, Mackcanuck said: Tortorella will destroy Seth Jones Yup, Jones is very soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said: Tortorella will destroy Seth Jones Surprised if Torts survives through the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Looks like Lowe is still calling the shots in Edmonton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 29 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Torts is a lot of things, but not a liar. he questioned RyJos work ethic and ability to stay healthy/competitive. Where there's smoke there's fire. Plus doesn't RyJo have a heart issue? That is more the issue I am speaking of as after watching Peverly, Dupuis etc leaving the league I am shocked Poille would take that risk Liar, perhaps not. Manic at any given moment with a distorted / warped sense of reality? And prone to saying (misguided) things in the heat of the moment??? I don't trust Torts as far as I could spit him, regardless of whether he has a point or not. If Johansen was out of shape at the start of this year; the logical thing to do would be bring him in for a private fitness test. And an action plan behind closed doors. Bring forward the tests from training camp and have a discussion. Publically calling out his best player in the first week or so of arriving was nothing short of stupid. The same accountability can be attained without the scrutiny of camera's and recorders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Liar, perhaps not. Manic at any given moment with a distorted / warped sense of reality? And prone to saying (misguided) things in the heat of the moment??? I don't trust Torts as far as I could spit him, regardless of whether he has a point or not. If Johansen was out of shape at the start of this year; the logical thing to do would be bring him in for a private fitness test. And an action plan behind closed doors. Bring forward the tests from training camp and have a discussion. Publically calling out his best player in the first week or so of arriving was nothing short of stupid. The same accountability can be attained without the scrutiny of camera's and recorders. Aren't you a bit surprised RJ returned Jones? I know I am kind of stunned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 57 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Well lucky for CBJ they still received a very good return. Drew Doughty among others had bad negotiations leading to a minor hold out. He seems just fine. In the end of that negotiation Doughty signed an 8 year deal in excess of $50 mill. The following summer, was credited with being in very good shape and maturing his game. They have won a couple of cups since. There is something to be said for patching things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Columbus now have 3 former top 5 draft picks on their blueline.... We wish we could have just one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 10 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: In the end of that negotiation Doughty signed an 8 year deal in excess of $50 mill. The following summer, was credited with being in very good shape and maturing his game. They have won a couple of cups since. There is something to be said for patching things up. You helped make my point. Cheers!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Finally the Shea Weber trade dreams will stop (for now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 There was no way Jones was going to last in Nashville. They already had Weber and they decided to commit to him. Once that was settled, so was Jones' fate. They knew they had Jones' entry-level contract to get a trade done. Nashville is great at developing defensemen though and Columbus will be grateful for that for years to come. Columbus mishandled RyJo this season, lowering his value, and they never thought he was going to be 'the guy', but it's a business and they signed him to that short-term deal regardless. They had no other top line center getting in the way, so it looked good for the time being. Now the question is, who is 'the guy' for them up front? The result is a hockey trade that further balances the league, players-wise, cap-wise, opportunity-wise and entertainment-wise. Everyone wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 6 minutes ago, BanTSN said: There was no way Jones was going to last in Nashville. They already had Weber and they decided to commit to him. Once that was settled, so was Jones' fate. They knew they had Jones' entry-level contract to get a trade done. Nashville is great at developing defensemen though and Columbus will be grateful for that for years to come. Columbus mishandled RyJo this season, lowering his value, and they never thought he was going to be 'the guy', but it's a business and they signed him to that short-term deal regardless. They had no other top line center getting in the way, so it looked good for the time being. Now the question is, who is 'the guy' for them up front? The result is a hockey trade that further balances the league, players-wise, cap-wise, opportunity-wise and entertainment-wise. Everyone wins. Uhh webers extension/offer sheer was completed a year before Jones was even drafted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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