Trade value of top 3 picks.

[elvis15]

1 hour ago, Camel Toe Drag said:

Technically it was Maloney (not ownership) that stated that  and he just got fired. So even though it seems unlikely, you never know what will happen now.

It was Maloney first, and then after he was fired ownership was asked the same question and they even more emphatically stated they wouldn't consider it.

[Nucker 67]

ARI keeps being brought up as a possible place for Matthews. Forget ARI, they're no fun. Is Matthews wanting to play in ARI? or is he fine playing with any NHL team? Wish I knew more about him and his thoughts on playing in the NHL. If he's dead-set on playing in ARI, that could become a problem, especially if ARI doesn't want to make Benning a hell of an offer.

[J-Dizzle]

4 hours ago, 2011 said:

Trade value of top 3 picks

Interestingly enough if you look at the NHL's history for trading top 3 picks, most trades had less value than what Canuck.comers think they do.  i.e Kessel for 2nd overall.  Click the link below to see the NHL's trade history for yourselves.

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Years/

 

There is no way a team like Phoenix would trade 2 proven assets to move up 14 spots in the draft. 

 

I would trade a top 3 pick for Aaron Ekblad,   I bet Florida wouldn't even do that.  

It would likely cost Horvatt + to get a top 3 pick.
 

That's the kind of Value a top 3 picks worth.  Of course there is some variance, 1 is worth more than 3.

 

The Kessel deal isn't really applicable... I don't think the Leafs management ever thought that first was going to turn into anything close to a second overall.

 

The amount of damage that deal did to the Leafs still makes me smile. 

[N4ZZY]

21 minutes ago, elvis15 said:

It was Maloney first, and then after he was fired ownership was asked the same question and they even more emphatically stated they wouldn't consider it.

yep. and there's nothing else they could say to the media without the media going absolutely bonkers and nuts on the team. I wouldn't be surprised if this was all posturing. no GM wants to give another GM more power than they already have it need. every GM wants to be in a position of power coming into negotiations for a trade which is probably why bigger trades don't happen more often sometimes and the ones that do, don't usually go well for one of the GM's. I don't expect any big moves at the draft to be honest. and I don't expect Benning (if we get a top three pick) to do any major wheeling. if we fall out of the top three. then yes. that's another matter. I could see him try his best to move up. or maybe even move down and gain a few more prospects and perhaps additional picks. 

[lmm]

2 hours ago, kloubek said:

Even if Benning wanted to pull something off like was done with Sedins back in the day, it would require the planets and stars to align just perfectly.

Firstly, obviously, we'd need to get 1st overall.  Only an 11.5% chance of that.

Second, it would require the team where we ship 1st overall to have a need for a star center.  Teams like the Oilers, Buffalo, would instantly be out as trading partners.

Third, we don't have massive talent to add to trades, so it would require a really good return from the team we trade down to in order to then trade up to the 3rd overall. 

 

Fourth, it would require that team that provides us the 3rd overall to be in a rebuilding stage where they need prospects and draft picks as opposed to established star players.

Fifth, for the talent we do have, it would require getting rid of a player or two we really don't want to.  Basically kiss McCann goodbye.  (Which I could live with)

Sixth, while it would be amazing to get both the Finns, I imagine they would begin on the 2nd line and move to the first the following year.  Therefore, we're going to need a star center for them to play with.  If we were able to get say, Stamkos, then we're golden.  Otherwise, we'd have to hope to heck that Horvat becomes that star center or we're really not doing that line justice. 

So I would absolutely love love love 1-6 to occur.  But does anyone think there is a realistic chance of that?  HIGHLY unlikely.

the other things to consider when dreaming of a 99 repeat,

the Finn Twins are not twins any more than Ovi and Malkin or Pedan and Tryamkin.

The Sedins were and are an anomaly that has never been replicated.

Any team looking at picking one of the Finns would not be worrying his ability to play without the other.

 

Also the 99 draft was weak.

after the Sedins, Tim Connolly (431pts) and Taylor Pyatt (859 gms) are 3rd best in the top 15 picks

This draft is supposed to be closer to the 2003 draft which had 2 flops in the top 15 and stars like Kesler and Perry picked in the 20s.

There was a lot less to lose trading picks in 1999.

 

[Gaudette Celly]

12 hours ago, khay said:

I guess you did your homework. The fact that he was ranked #1 among goalies could just have meant that there weren't any good goalies in that draft. I didn't know he was this good. The fact that he was around until the 2nd round... I thought he was more of a high risk high reward type of a guy. Of course, he still has a lot of work left but considering how Schneider (I think also from Boston College) turned out and how some consider Demko as the best goalie to come out of Boston College... I didn't expect him to be this good.

 

Benning has also said that they considered taking Demko at McCann's spot.

[J.I.A.H.N]

10 hours ago, Lonny_Bohonos_14 said:

I think that's a bridge you cross once you get to it. Depending when the expansion occurs, Edler or Tanev could have deteriorated (due to age or injuries) to not warrant protection or maybe Hutton or Tryamkin don't become more than bottom pairing guys.

 

If everyone is worthy of protection, then we're in a good place as a team, since that means everyone has reached or exceeded expectations.

 

 

Good call! Lonny!

[Glory_Days]

If Canucks do end up getting a top 3 pick, or we pick Tkachuck with a pick outside the top 3, I hope Day falls to the 2nd round and we grab him there. I know he's fallen a ton in the last couple years (Was considered a lock to be a top three pick around then) with his potential he could be an absolute steal at that spot.

 

Con to doing this is we take a chance at throwing away a 2nd round pick and he continues to bust, to be fair, lot of 2nd round picks don't even make it to the NHL.

 

Not too familiar with the players who are projected to go around the late 1st to early 2nd round though, I know people have been throwing Tyler Benson's name around.

[JustABandwagoner]

18 minutes ago, Glory_Days said:

If Canucks do end up getting a top 3 pick, or we pick Tkachuck with a pick outside the top 3, I hope Day falls to the 2nd round and we grab him there. I know he's fallen a ton in the last couple years (Was considered a lock to be a top three pick around then) with his potential he could be an absolute steal at that spot.

 

Con to doing this is we take a chance at throwing away a 2nd round pick and he continues to bust, to be fair, lot of 2nd round picks don't even make it to the NHL.

 

Not too familiar with the players who are projected to go around the late 1st to early 2nd round though, I know people have been throwing Tyler Benson's name around.

Day prob wont get pick till 3rd or 4th rd 

[Glory_Days]

33 minutes ago, DontMessMe said:

Day prob wont get pick till 3rd or 4th rd 

Wow, has he fallen that much? Hard to imagine him being picked this low a couple of years ago, being one of the very few players to ever be granted "Exceptional Status" by Canadian junior hockey.

[DinoTambo]

Ideal situation...

Lottery Results:

1st: VAN

2nd: ARZ

3rd: TOR

 

To ARZ: 1st Overall

 

To VAN: 2nd Overall, NYR 1st rd pick (2016), 1st rd (2017) 3rd (2016), Connor Murphy

 

If it's TOR with the 2nd, then the Leafs would have to give up their other 1st from PIT, one of their 2nds in 2016, one of their 3rds in 2016, one of their 2nds in 2017 and Andrew Nielsen.

 

If not, it's Matthews at #1.

If they get #2, they take Laine.

If they get #3, the take JP.

Do NOT trade #2 or #3.

If they get #4 or 5, they can take BPA or trade down a few spots and get more picks and prospects.

If its #4, IMO it's Tkachuk, but I think Dubois fits Benning's mold.

If it's #5, if keeping the pick, which I wouldn't do,...I'd take my chances on a dman. Oulevi, Chychryn or Sergachyov,...again,  I think Benning will take Dubois or Tkachuk here. 

 

BUT,..IMO...At the 5 spot though, I think its best to look into trading down a few spots and picking up more picks. Falling from 5 to say 8, they could still nab a great Dman and grab a couple more picks in the 2nd/3rd rd range or maybe, just maybe, even a second 1st rd pick from teams like WPG or CAR....and grab both local boys Jost and Fabbro!!!!!  Our very own Toews and Keith.

 

I cant wait for the draft lottery so that we can all speculate further...

 

 

 

[AntiAquaman]

On ‎2016‎-‎04‎-‎22 at 1:32 AM, coryberg said:

Here is an interesting  scenario (not likely). If we won #1 and phoenix won #2 would they give us domi and #2 for Matthews?

 

I would do that deal in a heartbeat. We have great center depth and add 2 explosive goal scorers (#2 is lainne). Phoenix would love to add Austin to their roster, the local boy could very well save the franchise.

Hmmmm interesting.  How about adding this if that trade was made....Then trade down to 4? with #2 pick and take Tkachuk.   Imagine a Domi and Tkachuk playing together again? lol

[Tomato Pajamas]

On 4/22/2016 at 5:26 PM, desiboynux4lifee******* said:

you make a good point, but that Shinkurak trade I just can't forgive. anywho lets see what he does. Draft will be interesting

 

Jesus Christ, you're the most obnoxious poster here. Everything that happens is a personal attack against you. 

[cripplereh]

I personally think if a top three pick we get I could see a trade with say Tampa for Druoin and there first plus 3rd or second next year!

[ice orca]

2 hours ago, cripplereh said:

I personally think if a top three pick we get I could see a trade with say Tampa for Druoin and there first plus 3rd or second next year!

Sorry but i don't see that at all.

[canucklehead44]

19 hours ago, J-Dizzle said:

The Kessel deal isn't really applicable... I don't think the Leafs management ever thought that first was going to turn into anything close to a second overall.

 

The amount of damage that deal did to the Leafs still makes me smile. 

Why do you hate the Leafs more than the Bruins?

There is literally no hockey rivalry between the Canucks and Leafs. Does hating the Leafs make Vancouver fans feel important?

Canucks fans have many reasons to hate the Bruins. Not just because they won, but because of how they won. At least as long as puke face Marchand is there.

Leafs fans couldn't care less about the Canucks, but they did cheer for us in the finals that year. 

The only Canadian teams I would have trouble getting behind are the Flames and Oilers because they are true rivals. 

[J-Dizzle]

2 hours ago, canucklehead44 said:

Why do you hate the Leafs more than the Bruins?

There is literally no hockey rivalry between the Canucks and Leafs. Does hating the Leafs make Vancouver fans feel important?

Canucks fans have many reasons to hate the Bruins. Not just because they won, but because of how they won. At least as long as puke face Marchand is there.

Leafs fans couldn't care less about the Canucks, but they did cheer for us in the finals that year. 

The only Canadian teams I would have trouble getting behind are the Flames and Oilers because they are true rivals. 

Why do I hate the Leafs?  That's like asking why I change the channel when Mark Messier commercials are on. 

 

All responsible Canadians dislike the centre of the universe. 

[coryberg]

6 hours ago, AntiAquaman said:

Hmmmm interesting.  How about adding this if that trade was made....Then trade down to 4? with #2 pick and take Tkachuk.   Imagine a Domi and Tkachuk playing together again? lol

Benning is a huge fan of Tkachuk. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we took him at #4 if we drop a spot. He called him the best player in the draft from the face off dots in.

[Boudrias]

3 hours ago, canucklehead44 said:

Why do you hate the Leafs more than the Bruins?

There is literally no hockey rivalry between the Canucks and Leafs. Does hating the Leafs make Vancouver fans feel important?

Canucks fans have many reasons to hate the Bruins. Not just because they won, but because of how they won. At least as long as puke face Marchand is there.

Leafs fans couldn't care less about the Canucks, but they did cheer for us in the finals that year. 

The only Canadian teams I would have trouble getting behind are the Flames and Oilers because they are true rivals. 

If you have to ask why Canuck fans despise the Laffers I can only conclude you must be 10 -12 years old. Review and conclude.

[Kraken70]

I think the value of a top three pick is too valuable to move at all. Benning, being a draft specialist is making the pick, no matter where it is and he knows that this is one of the most important picks in Vancouver Canuck history. This is the pick that may define his tenure in Vancouver and could be the glue player that brings the future generation of Canucks together as a team.