MoneypuckOverlord Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 On 8/17/2019 at 12:07 AM, theo5789 said: But but Hesikanen and Makar have played NHL games already. Not busts at all! Only bust is OJ!!! Kole Lind is also a bust then!!!@#@ 0 NHL games. He's done, gg, gave over, pack it in, retirement time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 45 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: Less douchey? You say that like it's a good thing. Kind of depends on how we define “douchy”. If a guy is not respected by his teammates, then that’s really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) What makes this interesting now is that you can derive value based on the player and the contract. Now that Tkachuk will be getting around 9mil per year and that Joulevi will get 863k per year, who is the better value? Tkachuk is obviously the better player at this time and since they have been drafted, but adding in the contract we may have Joulevi at the better value (player vs contract) for a longer period of time. Sometimes it all just works out. I also think that Tkachuk has likely peaked and he peaked when he will get a huge payday. Edited August 20, 2019 by Kobayashi Maru 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I think the freaking out over Juolevi not playing an NHL game might be more pertinent had he actually had a legit chance to play in the NHL. He spent almost the entirety of last season injured. The year before that he spent the entire year in Finland. The year before that he was a freshly drafted junior. He really hasn't had a proper shot at making the opening night roster, with the possible exception of training camp last year (a camp in which I think he performed extremely well and actually did deserve a look), and he certainly never had a chance for any sort of a call up. I'm not going to sit here and say that there are't a bunch of guys that I wouldn't take over Juolevi in a redraft. Objectively speaking, and with the gift of hindsight, the pick doesn't look good, especially considering the quality players that ended up going after Juolevi that have already made significant impacts in the NHL. What I am saying is that Juolevi is far from a 'bust'. He's a complete unknown at this point. For all we know he could crack the lineup out of training camp, put of 40 points and end up being a Calder candidate. The point is we just don't know. Let's maybe give him a chance to actually make the NHL before we write him off or use his name as some sort of cautionary tale or as an example of ineptitude from management. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JeremyCuddles Posted August 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2019 On the bright side with so many overlooking Juolevi is he has no real pressure. For the most part people either aren't paying attention to him or just called him a bum and moved on to fawning over some other prospect, specifically Hughes. Gives Juolevi breathing room to just play his game and keep on developing. Just a little silver lining in it all. Lol. A luxury none of our other upper prospects have. It's been 5 years since Jake's draft and people are still holding his feet to the fire. Hughes has the entire hopes of Canuck nation on his shoulders to fix this defense. Pettersson is considered a god and rightfully so given everything he's touched the last couple seasons has turned to gold [enter picture of Petey painted gold]. Podkolzin's stock/expectations has risen super high here, at least in comparison to before the draft when seemingly nobody wanted anything to do with him. Boeser is our purest goal scorer at the moment and the goal prediction/expectation thread had lots of people put him at 40 goals this season. Juolevi is the forgotten middle child. Free to just play hockey. I kinda like that, less eyes to deconstruct every little thing he does. Rooting for the kid. He's got the skills to turn some heads this season. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted August 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2019 45 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: On the bright side with so many overlooking Juolevi is he has no real pressure. For the most part people either aren't paying attention to him or just called him a bum and moved on to fawning over some other prospect, specifically Hughes. Gives Juolevi breathing room to just play his game and keep on developing. Just a little silver lining in it all. Lol. A luxury none of our other upper prospects have. It's been 5 years since Jake's draft and people are still holding his feet to the fire. Hughes has the entire hopes of Canuck nation on his shoulders to fix this defense. Pettersson is considered a god and rightfully so given everything he's touched the last couple seasons has turned to gold [enter picture of Petey painted gold]. Podkolzin's stock/expectations has risen super high here, at least in comparison to before the draft when seemingly nobody wanted anything to do with him. Boeser is our purest goal scorer at the moment and the goal prediction/expectation thread had lots of people put him at 40 goals this season. Juolevi is the forgotten middle child. Free to just play hockey. I kinda like that, less eyes to deconstruct every little thing he does. Rooting for the kid. He's got the skills to turn some heads this season. I think OJ will have a bigger impact on the defense corp than Hughes will. Hughes will add an element that is sorely needed, but I think OJ will be the better overall player when all is said and done 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 5 hours ago, stawns said: I think OJ will have a bigger impact on the defense corp than Hughes will. Hughes will add an element that is sorely needed, but I think OJ will be the better overall player when all is said and done Pressure has definitely moved from Juolevi to Hughes. But that's partly because Juolevi is no longer the only defensive prospect, Hughes is at the top of that list. And I'm glad that is, because all eyes will be on Hughes, but Juolevi is able to just play hockey and kinda go under the radar. That's a good thing for Olli. I'm hoping and expecting strides for him, as he's getting healthy, I'm curious to see what he can bring to training camp. It might be a couple of years since he's been drafted, but this seems to be the first time in a while that he's been healthy. I hope he isn't another Sami Salo. Already injured so often at such a young age, I hope it is not a sign of things to come. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JM_ Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, GoldenAlien said: good to see there's no desire to rush OJ. Let him get back to form and he'll be the 1st call up when the inevitable injuries occur. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, GoldenAlien said: good news and bad news. great news he's healthy and should start. Bad news is it seems like no matter how well he does, hes destined for Uitca. You don't hear names like Hughes saying "he'll start in Utica" quite discouraging for poor Juolevi. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, MoneypuckOverlord said: good news and bad news. great news he's healthy and should start. Bad news is it seems like no matter how well he does, hes destined for Uitca. You don't hear names like Hughes saying "he'll start in Utica" quite discouraging for poor Juolevi. This was very much so expected. While I am slightly surprised that Benning would state flat out that he won't have a shot at making the team out of training camp, this was always the most likely scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: This was very much so expected. While I am slightly surprised that Benning would state flat out that he won't have a shot at making the team out of training camp, this was always the most likely scenario. Sometimes I think he should shut it. He's a former 1st rounder too, and if he impresses right out of the gate he should get some NHL games. But that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: good news and bad news. great news he's healthy and should start. Bad news is it seems like no matter how well he does, hes destined for Uitca. You don't hear names like Hughes saying "he'll start in Utica" quite discouraging for poor Juolevi. He's missed pretty much an entire season. There's nothing wrong for him to continue his progression in development starting in Utica. If he plays lights out, he's the first call up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: good news and bad news. great news he's healthy and should start. Bad news is it seems like no matter how well he does, hes destined for Uitca. You don't hear names like Hughes saying "he'll start in Utica" quite discouraging for poor Juolevi. That's not bad news nor surprising. We finally have organizational depth and that will also mean Gaudette and MacEwen will start in the AHL. That's a good thing and not a slight on those players. It's a luxury that teams with good depth can afford to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanuck94 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 4 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: good news and bad news. great news he's healthy and should start. Bad news is it seems like no matter how well he does, hes destined for Uitca. You don't hear names like Hughes saying "he'll start in Utica" quite discouraging for poor Juolevi. 4 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: Sometimes I think he should shut it. He's a former 1st rounder too, and if he impresses right out of the gate he should get some NHL games. But that's just me. Regardless of what Benning says, if Juolevi comes into camp and knocks everyones socks off, he'll be on the team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Ward Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 I think Benning knows the fanbase wants so much from OJ so he is just lowering expectations to relieve the pressure. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 When he does catch fire with the big club it's going to be like found money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: When he does catch fire with the big club it's going to be like found money. If 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: If Maybe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 12 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: good news and bad news. great news he's healthy and should start. Bad news is it seems like no matter how well he does, hes destined for Uitca. You don't hear names like Hughes saying "he'll start in Utica" quite discouraging for poor Juolevi. Most of us had him pegged for Utica guy missed like 6 months due to injury, but I agree with 48MPHSlapShot. It’s surprising it was outright stated he’s starting in Utica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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