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35 minutes ago, JamesB said:

 

Maybe he did not deserve to be a top 5 pick. I know we are all looking for reasons (excuses) for what is going on. But in both the OHL and at the World Juniors Juolevi has looked good but not great -- the kind of guy you might be happy to pick in the middle of the first round, but not a guy you want at #5. I know that Benning was impressed when he saw Juolevi at the World Juniors last year but it is easier to look good playing behind Puljujarvi and Laine (or Tkachuk, Dvorak, and Marner in London).

 

Scouts often talk about picking the guys who drive play rather than the guys who are just complementary players. And I know that is hard. But I think the Benning might have made the same mistake with Virtanen and Juolevi (not to mention Eriksson and Gudbranson). These are all guys who look like good players and have done well with the right linemates/D partners. But to build a contender again we are going to need some guys who can drive play. Horvat is in that category. So is Stecher. But the Canuck pipeline is weak on this dimension.

 

In fairness, there was a lot of discussion on here last year about Tkachuk being that same type of player - that he was a beneficiary of the Marner/Dvorak line. I do wonder if JB would've taken Tkachuk if he knew how good Stecher would be, though. Our prospect depth at D is abysmal but on the big club we're pretty set for the near future... Edler-Tanev/Hutton-Stecher/Tryamkin-Gudbranson (or some other combination of those guys).

Of course, the flip side is that if Juolevi emerges as hoped, it allows you to flip a Edler/Tanev/Gudbranson for a forward anyway. And the Larsson/Hall trade showed us how much good defensemen can be valued in this league now. Time will tell. I don't if I want JB at the helm making those decisions though (or perhaps more accurately, the Aquilinis meddling in JB's decisions).

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1 hour ago, JamesB said:

 

Maybe he did not deserve to be a top 5 pick. I know we are all looking for reasons (excuses) for what is going on. But in both the OHL and at the World Juniors Juolevi has looked good but not great -- the kind of guy you might be happy to pick in the middle of the first round, but not a guy you want at #5. I know that Benning was impressed when he saw Juolevi at the World Juniors last year but it is easier to look good playing behind Puljujarvi and Laine (or Tkachuk, Dvorak, and Marner in London).

 

Scouts often talk about picking the guys who drive play rather than the guys who are just complementary players. And I know that is hard. But I think the Benning might have made the same mistake with Virtanen and Juolevi (not to mention Eriksson and Gudbranson). These are all guys who look like good players and have done well with the right linemates/D partners. But to build a contender again we are going to need some guys who can drive play. Horvat is in that category. So is Stecher. But the Canuck pipeline is weak on this dimension.

I think people have too high of expectations for a 5th overall pick, i think a lot of people are expecting a elite D like Doughty, Keith Karlsson types.  Most 5th overall don't become elite play drivers.  

 

Just look between 2000 -2013

  • Elias Lindholm
  • Morgan Rielly
  • Ryan Strome
  • Nino Niederreiter
  • Brayden Schenn
  • Luke Schenn
  • Karl Alzner
  • Phil Kessel
  • Carey Price
  • Blake Wheeler
  • Thomas Vanek
  • Ryan Whitney
  • Stanislav Chistov
  • Raffi Torres

If Juolevi becomes a top pairing D that can play an all around D game we should be happy with that.  

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Don't see why we are hyper vigilant about Juolevi. From all accounts the Finnish coach is in way over his head.  Seem to remember that Horvat had a poor WJC as well.  

 

He is our pick and only time will tell if he works out.  This board has a really bad habit of hanging on a teenagers every move and if there is any bump in the road, it's all doom and gloom. 

 

Finland is missing a huge amount of talent. With the way that pool party had been playing, Edmonton could have sent him. 

 

Dont see the poor performance of Finland being OJ's fault. OJ is having a great OHL season.  The game he plays does require his teammates to possess skills. Very few defencemen drive the play. They transition, counter, but rarely skate end to end and score. 

 

OJ is not Orr and is not a player that can do it all himself. He is a

key peice to that we need.  

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4 hours ago, Warhippy said:

I'd be perfectly fine with us doing this over the next 2 drafts.  Drafting the BPA D in the top 10 of the next 2 drafts allows us to do nothing but draft high risk high reward offense for the next 2 to 4 years.  Guys that either flame out or end up as superstars.

 

From the net.  Out

 

Juolevi 2016

Liljegren/Hague/Foote 2017

Dahlin/Addison/Bokvist 2018

 

 

Not just that....

 

Columbus isn't just doing it with strong young D.  They have wingers full of pi $$ n vinegar that muck in the corners, all love to take the puck to the net and can rip the puck,  aren't hanging out in the perimeter and will punch you in the face when you cheap shot them. 

On top of that....they have a coach that has the balls to call out ANY player that slacks off and doesn't pull up his socks as exemplified by Torts calling out Saad.

WD can only bench Baertschi coz he doesn't have the stones to bench Sutter or 6 million dollar Eriksson. 

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46 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I wanted Tkatchuk, and would have taken him at five.  

I would have taken Sergachyov at 5 instead of Tkachuk or Juolevi.

His Russian team just put up 9 goals today and he had zero points.  So I guess that makes him a bad pick for Montreal?

Juolevi will be just fine.

He will be more a Hamhuis type defenseman.

While I see Sergachyov as a more offensive type D man.  Despite his stat sheet today.

Tkachuk would have been a great pick too!  Clayton Keller as well.

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3 hours ago, JamesB said:

 

Maybe he did not deserve to be a top 5 pick. I know we are all looking for reasons (excuses) for what is going on. But in both the OHL and at the World Juniors Juolevi has looked good but not great -- the kind of guy you might be happy to pick in the middle of the first round, but not a guy you want at #5. I know that Benning was impressed when he saw Juolevi at the World Juniors last year but it is easier to look good playing behind Puljujarvi and Laine (or Tkachuk, Dvorak, and Marner in London).

 

Scouts often talk about picking the guys who drive play rather than the guys who are just complementary players. And I know that is hard. But I think the Benning might have made the same mistake with Virtanen and Juolevi (not to mention Eriksson and Gudbranson). These are all guys who look like good players and have done well with the right linemates/D partners. But to build a contender again we are going to need some guys who can drive play. Horvat is in that category. So is Stecher. But the Canuck pipeline is weak on this dimension.

well...I have to be honest and say I wasn't impressed with the pick ..so you feel that some of these other Finnish D have overtaken Juolevi..to the tune where he gets the least ice time..doesn't say much.

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I love Juolevi's swagger.  he didn't seem too impressed with his team in the first. you could see it in his face.

 

he looked a little irritated his teammates were celebrating so hard on the last goal.  he looked like he was looking at 5 yr Olds lol. all focused on their own goal. not focusing on collecting yourself for the next important shift. Maybe I'm reading into it wrong but that was my take. 

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4 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

 

You seem to know a lot about hockey.  

 

It's pretty reasonable to be concerned about Olli's ice time, not only in this tournament so far but also back in London.  With that draft pedigree, you would think he was a top guy that any team he plays for would want on the ice as much as humanly possible but I guess not.

Finland's coach is clearly a meathead if they are losing to Denmark, this is NOT Olli's fault, he is clearly one of the top players, on and off the ice to be named captain at 18

Is 21 points, +17 in 26 games in London not good enough for you guys? What does he have to do down there to prove hes good lmao.

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1 minute ago, The 5th Line said:

 

Who said he wasn't good?  We are simply discussing the fact that he has been getting less ice time than we expected and it's disappointing not seeing him be one of the "go to guys" at the end of a game.  Like I said, pretty reasonable considering he was a 5th overall pick.  Let's please not start throwing Junior coaches under the bus this time around..

 

 

Finland's own fans are throwing him under the bus and don't like him, so I think its fair to say...

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Juolevi post game comments (*double translated*, Finish->Swedish->English)

 

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After the upset against Denmark, captain Olli Juolevi was close to tears.

"You get influenced after such a tough start. I don't know... I have never been this angry before. This sucks."

 

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