Olli Juolevi | #48 | D

[Boudrias]

On 4/3/2020 at 1:47 PM, flickyoursedin said:

I agree Tanev will be hard to replace but his injury history which won’t get better over time makes me scared to commit big money over term. He’ll be 31 next year and will probably get a 5 to 6 year contract at what I think will be 5.25+ mill a year. Not sure I’d sign Tanev from 31-36/37 years of age.

Totally agree. Not only that but how do teams deal with C19 and the drop in revenue? The CAP will be down on a wage structure that already exists. I see another wave of buyouts and reduced salaries for those resigned. Maybe more bridge deals? 

[Fred65]

4 hours ago, Boudrias said:

Totally agree. Not only that but how do teams deal with C19 and the drop in revenue? The CAP will be down on a wage structure that already exists. I see another wave of buyouts and reduced salaries for those resigned. Maybe more bridge deals? 

The shortened season took a lot of money out the Cap calculation for next season and as you stated the capital floating around next September is likely 50% of what it should be. Ticket sales will be  down both corporate and private. The NHL as well as the PA has to address this. My hope is they don't under estimate to impact of the financial down fall. If they under estimate they may be playing in front of half fill arenas and that will further impact the following season. Looks like the gravy train is over

[ruilin96]

On 4/3/2020 at 12:42 PM, Fred65 said:

One thing for sure, and it's a good problem, is the Defensive choices are tightening up in Vcr, we're maybe a year from a major upgrade

I will say we are definitely taken the right steps towards forwards, but Defense is far from complete. Right now, we have a lot of guys who can step in and play the bottom pairing, but I still think we lack another puck mover who can relieve the pressure when Hughes is not on the ice. I will say we lack a true physical and punishing defenseman.

[J.I.A.H.N]

41 minutes ago, ruilin96 said:

I will say we are definitely taken the right steps towards forwards, but Defense is far from complete. Right now, we have a lot of guys who can step in and play the bottom pairing, but I still think we lack another puck mover who can relieve the pressure when Hughes is not on the ice. I will say we lack a true physical and punishing defenseman.

I get your point......but I preach patience here

 

Let us see what Juolevi, Rathbone, Tryamkin and Rafferty can give us, first

 

I honestly think that we may have all that in out own system, one year away, so there is no reason to go out and force the issue, as all our potential answers to your concern are somewhat cost controlled for the first 3 years....

 

Where as, any traded player that you need, will probably be in their 2nd or 3rd contract and costing substantially more......

 

Give Benning one more year.....lets see what he has done, first.

[PuckYa]

On 3/31/2020 at 10:06 AM, BCNate said:

I'd add Brisebois to this list as well.  That is 6 guys with relatively high potential to play up the lineup .  Chatfield and Saunter are good options as 6/7 D while the others develop.  We have a pretty deep talent pool of D, I just don't know if any are top pairing potential.

Rathbone is the real deal.

 

[ruilin96]

39 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I get your point......but I preach patience here

 

Let us see what Juolevi, Rathbone, Tryamkin and Rafferty can give us, first

 

I honestly think that we may have all that in out own system, one year away, so there is no reason to go out and force the issue, as all our potential answers to your concern are somewhat cost controlled for the first 3 years....

 

Where as, any traded player that you need, will probably be in their 2nd or 3rd contract and costing substantially more......

 

Give Benning one more year.....lets see what he has done, first.

I agree. However, next year is the last year that both EP and Hughes will be on the ELC, and next year the Canucks should be an even better team. I think the Canucks should atleast try to give this team a shot to win it all starting next year (not saying we go all in and buy the big names but atleast ice a team that will do some damage in the playoffs). I think signing Joel Edmundson or Brendan Dillon (1 of 2) can improve this team's defense. And we will let the 4 prospects you mention fight it out to push for a roster spot. Ideally, Tryamkin will be that physical punishing defenseman and Rafferty or Rathbone would be the additonal puck mover. If OJ can just remain healthy, he should get some NHL games under his belt as well. Juolevi to me will be the key, if he can remain healthy and be the player the Canucks envision him to be, it will go a long way. Among all of the names you mentioned, I am most excited about Rathbone, I think he has the potential to make immediate impact when he gets inserted in the line up.

[dpn1]

Is Jack close to overtaking Ollie as a left hand Dman prospect?  He could be close by the end of next season or sooner possibly. 

[ruilin96]

1 minute ago, dpn1 said:

Is Jack close to overtaking Ollie as a left hand Dman prospect?  He could be close by the end of next season or sooner possibly. 

He has atleast closed the gaps by a lot. The key for OJ is being healthy, once OJ is healthy, he can be a really smart and effective players who can be depend on the log a lot of minutes. For OJ, I would like to see him become that strong 2-way defenseman we have in Edler today. I would like to see Jack groom into a offensive defenseman who quaterback the 2nd unit PP in his prime.

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

13 hours ago, dpn1 said:

Is Jack close to overtaking Ollie as a left hand Dman prospect?  He could be close by the end of next season or sooner possibly. 

I’d say in general, yes. When you look at the average projections people are putting on Rathbone, versus Juolevi, Jack has probably moved ahead of Olli. Lots of people see Rathbone as a future middle pair D who can run a power play. And at this point, quite a few people think we break even if we can just get a depth NHL player out of Juolevi.

Now personally, I haven’t soured on OJ as much as some, but I do see quite a few people with opinions I respect who say it’s maybe 50/50 at this point that Juolevi ever achieves any kind of career in the NHL. Whereas Rathbone is the prospect that Benning gets asked about the most by other GMs (as far as a trade target), and is generally viewed as a player on the rise who has a legitimate shot of being a very good young NHL player.

 

Of course, a lot can change once a player goes pro and actually gets tested at that level. Prospects are magic beans. It’s easy to get excited about potential.

 

It’s much less exciting to watch a player slowly pay his dues, make incremental progress, while finding his way back from some challenging injuries. Juolevi’s stock has taken a beating over recent years. But we really haven’t had a chance to see him fully healthy as a professional nor see him given the opportunity to really show his best qualities over any period of length in the pros.
 

Hopefully next year, he finally gets a chance to really show his abilities, and can force his way back into the conversation as an exciting young defenseman primed for a major role in this organization. It’s getting to be make or break time for Olli, but I’m still a believer.

 

As for Rathbone, I’m about as high on him as I’ve always been. I really believe he’s gonna be an excellent NHL player (hopefully for the Canucks).

[Kanukfanatic]

Juolevi is gonna be 22 in a couple of weeks.

 

I wonder if there are any comparable D men picked at the top of the 1st round that were touted to be top NHL d men yet never played an NHL game until they were 23.

 

Maybe if I get time later I will into it a bit.

 

Who knows what will happen at this point though.

[KyGuy123]

I’ve come to the realization that he will be a bust or bottom pairing PP specialist and that is very depressing. He hasn’t even looked dominate in any league other than a stacked London Knights and team Finland teams.

[Rollieo Del Fuego]

If we were to trade Oli this year...I guaranty he will come back to bite us in the arse...Oli hasn't had a fully healthy season since junior and the injuries he has had to deal with have hurt his mobility...I think he only needs a good year of being healthy and working on his flexibility to get back on track and another year to be the top 4 guy we drafted....and maybe one more year to be a legit top 2...at the tender age of 24 or 25...which is when most D. men actually mature into a useful player.

 

I expect a useful player at the very least. 

[ruilin96]

9 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said:

If we were to trade Oli this year...I guaranty he will come back to bite us in the arse...Oli hasn't had a fully healthy season since junior and the injuries he has had to deal with have hurt his mobility...I think he only needs a good year of being healthy and working on his flexibility to get back on track and another year to be the top 4 guy we drafted....and maybe one more year to be a legit top 2...at the tender age of 24 or 25...which is when most D. men actually mature into a useful player.

 

I expect a useful player at the very least. 

Even if we were to trade him, it should never be now. His value is very low atm, atleast let him play some games at the NHL level and get some evaluation before making any decisions.

[theo5789]

2 hours ago, KyGuy123 said:

I’ve come to the realization that he will be a bust or bottom pairing PP specialist and that is very depressing. He hasn’t even looked dominate in any league other than a stacked London Knights and team Finland teams.

Meanwhile our team continues pressing forward and improving. Perhaps he will step right end after we have stacked our team and give us that additional boost. Bigger picture is not depressing at all (aside from there being no hockey right now).

[ohmy]

6 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Juolevi is gonna be 22 in a couple of weeks.

 

I wonder if there are any comparable D men picked at the top of the 1st round that were touted to be top NHL d men yet never played an NHL game until they were 23.

 

Maybe if I get time later I will into it a bit.

 

Who knows what will happen at this point though.

Well if your talking top 10 of the draft the only one I find comparable since 2010 is Haydn Fleury 7th overall. He played in his age 21 season but didnt come into his own until this past season at 23. There is also Travis Sanheim 21 debut 22 first full season, Tony Deangelo 21 debut 23 breakout, Ryan Pulock 21 debut 23 breakout, but all of them are mid 1st round picks. I would still say they are comparable and would be happy if Juolevi turned into any of those. Huge year coming up for Juolevi, I would say make or break as far as development goes. I've always been a believer but if he doesn't play in the NHL next year my pessimism would skyrocket.

[Kanukfanatic]

8 hours ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said:

If we were to trade Oli this year...I guaranty he will come back to bite us in the arse...Oli hasn't had a fully healthy season since junior and the injuries he has had to deal with have hurt his mobility...I think he only needs a good year of being healthy and working on his flexibility to get back on track and another year to be the top 4 guy we drafted....and maybe one more year to be a legit top 2...at the tender age of 24 or 25...which is when most D. men actually mature into a useful player.

 

I expect a useful player at the very least. 

Yeah ok...you also said he would be a top 4 D on the Canucks by last year.  

 

So yeah....haha. 

[Kanukfanatic]

6 hours ago, ohmy said:

Well if your talking top 10 of the draft the only one I find comparable since 2010 is Haydn Fleury 7th overall. He played in his age 21 season but didnt come into his own until this past season at 23. There is also Travis Sanheim 21 debut 22 first full season, Tony Deangelo 21 debut 23 breakout, Ryan Pulock 21 debut 23 breakout, but all of them are mid 1st round picks. I would still say they are comparable and would be happy if Juolevi turned into any of those. Huge year coming up for Juolevi, I would say make or break as far as development goes. I've always been a believer but if he doesn't play in the NHL next year my pessimism would skyrocket.

Thanks.  I agree mostly with your last sentence.  But for me, if he does not play in the NHL by Sept then I have little hope for this guy. 

 

We shall see..

 

Very disappointing so far for sure.

 

Edit: kind of funny that juolevi and Petey were both picked 5th overall.  Shows what a crap shoot it is. Thank god for Petey.  If he had been as developmentally delayed as OJ this club would suck right now lol.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Kanukfanatic

[Ray_Cathode]

On 4/7/2020 at 12:40 AM, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

But we really haven’t had a chance to see him fully healthy as a professional nor see him given the opportunity to really show his best qualities over any period of length in the pros.
 

Hopefully next year, he finally gets a chance to really show his abilities, and can force his way back into the conversation as an exciting young defenseman primed for a major role in this organization. It’s getting to be make or break time for Olli, but I’m still a believer.

 

As for Rathbone, I’m about as high on him as I’ve always been. I really believe he’s gonna be an excellent NHL player (hopefully for the Canucks).

The AHL is a professional league and Juolevi has had two seasons to prove himself. So far he has managed to prove that he is hurt a lot. That said, I’d love to see him play healthy - as he did in a solid season in the pro league in Finland, and in a solid world junior cup. But realistically, three or four prospects have moved ahead of him in my mind: Tryamkin, Rafferty, Rathbone, and Brisebois. I call Tryamkin a prospect because he hasn’t played for the Canucks for three years, but he played at a high level of pro comparable favourably with the AHL. Ideally, healthy, I still see Juolevi as a middle tier defender - if he can get fit.

[stawns]

OJ has played very very well in Utica, why so down on him?

[wildcam]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

OJ has played very very well in Utica, why so down on him?

I still feel Juolevi  22, 6'3 will be a #3 D man in the NHL..We must remember he has injuries the last 3 seasons..Last season 2018 -2019 he only played 17 games with knee injury.. This season he missed 15 games and then Covid -19..

I feel Juolevi  will be very close to making lineup this October, for sure call ups..