tas Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 8 hours ago, erkayloomeh said: Im one of those guys who thinks that centerman should play center. Thats to many centers in other words, you're one of those guys that doesn't pay attention to successful teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 23 minutes ago, alfstonker said: Potentially Meanwhile we have lost potentially one of our best defensemen for a crapshoot. I think it is way too early to know what we have in Hutton, what we do know though is he plays with plenty of heart, enthusiasm and has an infectious personality which helps the moral of the team. I agree he's a great locker-room presence and the young kids, especially defencemen, are really bonding (looks like they're having fun on instagram together haha). That being said, I think our future core is still far away from being set and pretty much anyone is expendable so far. Potentially is correct. At this stage so early in their development, I think everything comes down to scouting and probability. The probability that Hutton becomes an elite defenceman is low. The probability he wins a Norris trophy is marginal. The probability of someone like Shea Theodore or Sanheim becoming an elite defenceman is a bit higher. Sure, still more or less unproven in the NHL, but everything up until now in their development says otherwise and only bumps that probability up. Sanheim has a strong year in the AHL, his probability of becoming an elite producer in the NHL goes up. That's the way I think of things. When we're dealing with constructing a young core, I think we need to play these probabilities, because when it's too late and Stecher/Hutton/Juolevi hit their prime, it'll be a lot harder to trade and move pieces. Moreso, it'll be a lot harder to acquire an elite defenceman then. We're not going to be able to pull off one of these big Larsen-for-Hall or Jones-for-Johansen trades because we don't have the elite talent to send the other way unless we're willing to part with a Horvat, Boeser or Demko which we can't afford. Because of that, I think our best chance of acquiring an elite defenceman is to acquire a young guy with a lot of potential who's probability of becoming elite is higher than most. To do that, we have to part with maybe a pick, prospect or young player. Unfortunately Hutton falls in that category. If you have a relatively low chance of becoming elite, I'd try and trade the player packaged with other things for someone with a slightly higher chance of becoming elite. At the end of the day, we're seeing in these playoffs that good players don't cut it anymore - you need top-end talent, and we need to be savvy to try and find ways to acquire it. Benning did pretty well getting us Goldobin and Dahlen but he's going to have to pull more rabbits out of his hat if he wants to get a prized defenceman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 9 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said: What about if we kept the #5 pick AND landed the #1 or #3 pick though? We give up a known good asset that's peaking at the wrong time for the chance of picking up a good asset that will peak at a more timely point in the future. Big downsides are that you don't know what you'll really get and you give up veteran leadership to help the young players. Tough call. Other than Bo, what asset do we have worth the first overall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 7 hours ago, terrible.dee said: Gud?!?! As in Gudbransson?!?!?!?!? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!! When will the fans here clue in? are you sayin they dont want him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarsh Sant Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 17 hours ago, morrissex95 said: I'd rather just pick Glass. He's outscored Ryan Johansen, also a former Portland Winterhawk, in every single category comparing Johansen's draft year to Glass' draft year. We pick him and get a solid 1A centre to complement Horvat, who will be our 1B guy. Very similar to the setup we had him H. Sedin and Kesler when we were a contender. Horvat and Glass don't have ceilings anywhere near what Kes and Henrik were..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backhandsauce Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 uhhhmmmm pretty sure Horvat looks much better than Kesler did at this stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 17 hours ago, Qwags said: Hischier is worth it. Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 8 hours ago, Me_ said: VAN 1st Overall '17 NJ 5th Overall '17 Baertschi Sbisa 8 hours ago, terrible.dee said: Tanev and #5 for Patrick? And GM who wouldn't do that is an idiot would keep his job. Oh, the insanity of chasing magic beans -- there's always a shinier one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 19 hours ago, morrissex95 said: I'd rather just pick Glass. He's outscored Ryan Johansen, also a former Portland Winterhawk, in every single category comparing Johansen's draft year to Glass' draft year. We pick him and get a solid 1A centre to complement Horvat, who will be our 1B guy. Very similar to the setup we had him H. Sedin and Kesler when we were a contender. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanisleryan Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Sucks we never got a 1st or 2nd OA pick but this not the year to be trading up for it....although talented neither of the top 2 are miles above some of the other early picks available. ...this is onenof those years where picks in our range could develop better....who knows. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 11 hours ago, tas said: in other words, you're one of those guys that doesn't pay attention to successful teams. Explain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 26 minutes ago, erkayloomeh said: Explain you can never have too many centers. you could have 12 natural centers up front and you'd be golden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 12 minutes ago, tas said: you can never have too many centers. you could have 12 natural centers up front and you'd be golden. Likely these top players (almost all NHL guys) were put at centre or D by their coaches when young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 23 minutes ago, tas said: you can never have too many centers. you could have 12 natural centers up front and you'd be golden. I guess as long your centers play better wing than any wingers you might have. And if you have a center that can't crack the top two for example is he going to be a good top two winger. If not I suggest having less than six slotted for your lineup. Also, having more than two top two centers some one will always be unhappy with ice time. I think it's good to have depth tho in case of injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 On 5/29/2017 at 1:59 PM, J.R. said: In other news: Water is wet. This, plus 1....it would be news if they weren't receiving calls on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 10 hours ago, Adarsh Sant said: Horvat and Glass don't have ceilings anywhere near what Kes and Henrik were..... Kesler and Henrik weren't supposed to have the ceilings that Kes and Herik had either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 17 hours ago, terrible.dee said: Tanev and #5 for Patrick? And GM who wouldn't do that is an idiot Really depends on how one feels Patrick will develop. It might not even be Patrick at number 1. So to say they would be an idiot... well that's your opinion. Not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 17 hours ago, terrible.dee said: Tanev and #5 for Patrick? And GM who wouldn't do that is an idiot Or, could potentially as per the rumours trade Tanev for another top 10 pick even the 3rd OA 3rd, 7th or 8th overall and 5th overall Or...Patrick Any GM that wouldn't do that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 10 hours ago, Adarsh Sant said: Horvat and Glass don't have ceilings anywhere near what Kes and Henrik were..... Actually, they do. They won't score 113 points in a season but Glass certainly makes up for that with his defensive play. I think Horvat will be better offensively then Kesler very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarsh Sant Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 44 minutes ago, morrissex95 said: Actually, they do. They won't score 113 points in a season but Glass certainly makes up for that with his defensive play. I think Horvat will be better offensively then Kesler very soon. Kes was the best shutdown centerman in the league at one point while Henrik was the best point-producing centerman at one point. Horvat may eclipse Kes offensively but Kes managed to score 41 goals while also winning the Selke. Overall the duo of Hank and Kes were unstoppable (until Kes had to play on one leg in the playoffs lol). Anyways, you don't "make up" for 112 points with defensive play. Glass is gonna be good, but there his ceiling isn't close to vintage Henrik. Bo and Kes are closer, but 40 goals and a Selke is gonna be tough for Bo to match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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