[Report] Benn Wants out of Dallas

[Salacious Crumb]

44 minutes ago, Tomatoes11 said:

Take out the 1st and that’s no worse than gudbranson for Pearson,

 

In fact Gudbransin for Pearson was probably worse. We effectively gave up McCann , 2nd, and a 3rd for gudbranson.

 

if they take that for benn minus the first. You take that and run lol

So two wrongs make a right? 

[Provost]

3 hours ago, VIC_CITY said:

Over Benn's last 3 seasons, he's averaged 67 points. The 3 seasons before that, he averaged 85 points. That's a pretty steep decline, bottoming out at 53 points last year. Also, for every Giordano, there's 20+ Lucic, Eriksson etc. That free agent class alone had 5 or 6 guys that were great players that basically fell off a cliff. 

That is making math lie.

 

One year ago he was coming off a 36 goal, 79 point season, one of the best years of his entire career.

 

The year before he got 69 points in 77 games... 73 points if you take into account his PPG to compare against his two prior years.

 

This season he had a bad year, he also played two minutes less per games than those highest years and the drop is accounted for by playing time and fewer power play points.

 

In his past three “declining” years he has more goals than Panarin... in addition to having a physical element which most top scorers don’t have.

 

For the period of 2013-14 to the end of last season, he was 3rd in the entire NHL in points.  Other guys had better single seasons, but almost no one was consistently as good as he was.  The talk of “obvious decline” is honestly just silly.  He had one subpar offensive season that happened under a new coach who put in a system with much more focus on defence (Benn was playing PK as well as PP).

 

There are few players with a lower risk of falling off and it is vastly more likely that he will continue to be the consistent solid producers that he has always been.

 

If we could get him for something that didn’t cost one of our core guys, we have to look at it.

 

Edited May 13, 2019 by Provost

[Gollumpus]

9 hours ago, D-Money said:

When I said "top-5 winger" that included RW-ers too. Benn was a top-5 player (all positions) the two seasons prior to signing the contract. He hasn't been close to that since.

 

Regards,

D.

So just to be clear, when you say "a top-5 player (all positions)" you weren't including goalies, or were you?

 

Benn would be an upgrade over a lot of players on this team, particularly among the left side forwards. Outside of his contract being kind of too rich for some folks, he would (probably) be a good addition.

 

Otherwise, I don't see this trade happening. Folks should go for a walk, or take a nap in the sunshine (but not for too long a period of time). And remember your sunscreen.

 

                                                    regards,  G.

Edited May 13, 2019 by Gollumpus

[khay]

11 hours ago, ilduce39 said:

If we’re looking to take on a huge contract I’d rather we just take a big run at signing Karlsson or Panarin.

 

At least they wouldn’t cost any assets.

I agree. We should definitely go for Panarin or Karlsson first, if we fail to sing one, then we can consider other options.

 

We definitely need a top line winger moving forward and Benn may be a fit especially in the playoffs.

 

[apollo]

On 5/11/2019 at 12:50 PM, Pears said:

Benn - Pettersson - Boeser would be absolutely unreal. I’d do Juolevi, Virtanen, 2020 top 10 protected 1st. 

You have 2 "confused" reactions... Not sure what they are confused about... Dallas would be asking for that at the very least. They might not even consider if it's top 10 protected. 

 

I think the price is going to be too high for Benn. We might be better off building from within. 

 

Unless he really handcuffs Dallas and forces their hand... But if it got to that, I bet galiardi would tell him to sit in the press box for the year or give another team as an option. 

[khay]

2 hours ago, apollo said:

You have 2 "confused" reactions... Not sure what they are confused about... Dallas would be asking for that at the very least. They might not even consider if it's top 10 protected. 

 

I think the price is going to be too high for Benn. We might be better off building from within. 

 

Unless he really handcuffs Dallas and forces their hand... But if it got to that, I bet galiardi would tell him to sit in the press box for the year or give another team as an option. 

I guess the thought process here is that we are giving up 3 roster players for the service of Benn who probably has about 3 years of 60-80 production remaining. 

 

- Juolevi is projected as top 3/4D 

- Virtanen is a 2nd/3rd line big body player that can skate with the best of the NHL

- 1st round pick: under JB, all our 1st rounders, except Juolevi thus far, has made the NHL.

 

And these 3 players that we are giving up will give us 10 more years of service as opposed to Benn's 6 years, half of which may not even be great.

 

[Sweathog]

5 hours ago, khay said:

I guess the thought process here is that we are giving up 3 roster players for the service of Benn who probably has about 3 years of 60-80 production remaining. 

 

- Juolevi is projected as top 3/4D 

- Virtanen is a 2nd/3rd line big body player that can skate with the best of the NHL

- 1st round pick: under JB, all our 1st rounders, except Juolevi thus far, has made the NHL.

 

And these 3 players that we are giving up will give us 10 more years of service as opposed to Benn's 6 years, half of which may not even be great.

 

These are good points, agree with them all. The Canucks are not at the point yet where should be committing significant capspace and valuable assets for a player of Benn's caliber.

 

Why should the Canucks sacrifice so much, when we're still building a playoff team? The priorities should be improving our defense and depth at the moment.

 

When the Canucks reach contender status, or at least are a solid playoff team, then it makes sense to make this deal. Until that happens, it makes more sense for Benning to keep doing what he's been doing, slowly and steadily building a winning team.

Edited May 13, 2019 by Sweathog

[PhillipBlunt]

Horvat going to Dallas? F' that.

[Jester13]

Benning is not going to build a farm just to sell it for an aging player. 

[Tomatoes11]

13 hours ago, Salacious Crumb said:

So two wrongs make a right? 

No.

 

Trading Mcaan, 2nd, and 3rd is wrong because we are a rebuilding team that needs to refill our cupboards through the draft and the farm.

 

Trading junk like Sutter, Baertschit, Granlund, Erikkson or unnecessary aging parts like the rights to Edler and Tanev for Benn would be oh so right. Provided our 2020 first is removed from that pitch and never mentioned as a trade piece ever again.

[canuck73_3]

12 minutes ago, Tomatoes11 said:

No.

 

Trading Mcaan, 2nd, and 3rd is wrong because we are a rebuilding team that needs to refill our cupboards through the draft and the farm.

 

Trading junk like Sutter, Baertschit, Granlund, Erikkson or unnecessary aging parts like the rights to Edler and Tanev for Benn would be oh so right. Provided our 2020 first is removed from that pitch and never mentioned as a trade piece ever again.

McCann wasn't liked on the team. Even Matt Bartkowski’s mom didn't like him. Get over it. 

[oldnews]

I find it ironic how many posters there are in here these days,  with 'plans' like teenagers that just got their allowance and are itching to rush out and spend the entirety of it on 30+ year olds (with way too much term remaining)....looking to build a house with no windows.

 

Let's strip mine the prospect pool!

 

So premature.  So ill-conceived.

Edited May 13, 2019 by oldnews

[oldnews]

1 hour ago, Tomatoes11 said:

No.

 

Trading Mcaan, 2nd, and 3rd is wrong because we are a rebuilding team that needs to refill our cupboards through the draft and the farm.

 

Trading junk like Sutter, Baertschit, Granlund, Erikkson or unnecessary aging parts like the rights to Edler and Tanev for Benn would be oh so right. Provided our 2020 first is removed from that pitch and never mentioned as a trade piece ever again.

First, what a dumb analogy, attempting to compare the acquisition of a 24 year old RHD - one that provided backbone to a team that sorely needed it - to blowing your wad on a 30+ yr old winger - whose term takes him to 2025 with 9.5 million of cap hit.

 

Second, you call players like Sutter et al 'junk' and then delude yourself into thinking there's a possibility that 'junk' would be viable principal and secondary pieces in a Benn deal.

 

It seems you're having difficulty being remotely realistic.

Edited May 13, 2019 by oldnews

[Where'd Luongo?]

I will say if they retain salary to make him a $6.5M/year player, I'd be much more inclined to have him but it would cost 2019 1st rounder and a good player.

Edited May 13, 2019 by Where'd Luongo?

[HughMungus]

On 5/11/2019 at 12:25 PM, Nigerian said:

Erikkson + 2019 2nd and Juolevi. 

If hes asking to be moved this is all id offer.

 

LE has history.  Pick is 40. Julevi is atleast a good prospect.

 

Nothing more. Benn could be a Lucic if he struggles again.

[coastal.view]

On 5/12/2019 at 8:57 AM, Provost said:

His play hasn’t dropped off since signing that contract.  He had one of his best goal totals the year after he signed it and has had just ONE single subpar season. The whole Dallas roster was a mess in the first half of the year.  Players have off years all the time, Benn is one of the most consistent point producers in the league over a long period.

 

There is absolutely nothing to suggest he is in the midst of a decline. There is no trendline down.  In his worst year he is still one of our best forwards. 

 

He literally checks every box we are looking for.  Top line LW, size, play driver, toughness in the top 6, goal scorer.

 

He is a couple years older than we would like and his contract isn’t a deal, and is basically what he would get on the UFA market if he were available today.

 

 

that is likely true

but then he would also not cost the acquiring team any assets

 

so not sure how the bolded statement helps your argument

it suggests salary retention is reasonable demand if assets are something dallas seeks in moving him

[Provost]

6 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

that is likely true

but then he would also not cost the acquiring team any assets

 

so not sure how the bolded statement helps your argument

it suggests salary retention is reasonable demand if assets are something dallas seeks in moving him

... because the likelihood of getting a top UFA to come here unless we dramatically overpay him is pretty low?  There aren't that many of them and there are many suitors.  If he was on the market this summer he would be right up there with Panarin, Brobovsky, and Karlsson in terms of interested teams.

How many top UFAs have chosen to come here in our entire history... yet every year we figure we are probably going to get one.

[coastal.view]

2 minutes ago, Provost said:

... because the likelihood of getting a top UFA to come here unless we dramatically overpay him is pretty low?  There aren't that many of them and there are many suitors.  If he was on the market this summer he would be right up there with Panarin, Brobovsky, and Karlsson in terms of interested teams.

How many top UFAs have chosen to come here in our entire history... yet every year we figure we are probably going to get one.

your crush on benn is awesome

he does not do as much for me though

[Pickly]

The prospect of getting him is intriguing but the Canucks can’t afford nor don’t have the assets at the moment to make that trade. They can’t afford draft picks or young players and unfortunately I can assure you that’s what Dallas would want in return. 

[Provost]

5 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

your crush on benn is awesome

he does not do as much for me though

It isn't really a crush.  As per my OP, if the guy wants to come home and put Dallas in a position where we don't have to give close to market value for him... we would be dumb not to.

It is hard to get top end talent, you can't do it by drafting alone as you get at best one player per year... probably one every 2nd or 3rd year that ends up in the top half of your lineup.