Stelar Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Great Canucks said: It disgusts me how many pathetic losers are on here actually afraid of us trying to get better. It's like some of you want us to be stuck in a perpetual rebuild. Easy man..... tad extreme... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, oldnews said: I'm loving the ironing oozing out of the #proper-rebuild pick talk. the #proper-rebuild just spent a 1st round pick to dump one year of Patrick Marleau contract muahahaha. Benning just spent a future 1st to acquire a principal top 6 need in his prime - big, fast, gritty two way player - and exactly what the forward group needed. Ok carry on with the nancy-show y'all. What an authoritarian intolerant twat. If you can't understand why some people don't like this trade after Benning promising not to trade firsts at this stage in our rebuild, then you're just plain thick. And to pile on with the sexist nonsense at the end. Get stuffed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeback_Kings Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Oh, Free Agency just ended and training camp starts tomorrow now? I don't want the Canucks to overpay in Free Agency for a guy like Myers, you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: Well the only reason they traded him was because they need the space to resign their players, they took 0 salary back. You can argue value, but not if this was a cap dump. Also, according to your own arguments about Toronto. I guess since we've traded our 1st away, rebuild is over and we have to make it to the 2nd round or this is an EPIC fail eh? Let's see how it goes. He's out of draft picks to give away so I doubt he has more trades up his sleeve. Irony: Saying 1st round picked Boeser and 1st round picked Horvat needed 1st round picked Miller to play with. But the 1st round pick we just traded away MAYBE develops into a guy who plays 300 games. lmao indeed Proven asset for an unproven asset that is 3-5 years away 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Someone reading through this thread with no knowledge of the deal specifics would assume we acquired Miller in exchange for our first round picks in 2020, 2021, and 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, stawns said: He's signed for 4 more years at a great cap hit for what he brings. How is that short term thinking? He'll fit right in with the older core guys like Bo and Baer and be an important veteran element for playoffs. I don't like giving up a first, but you have to give to get and this is a hockey trade, not a cap dump. Because when most of our young core is in their prime Miller will be over 30 and probably closer to his mid 30's. Miller has been bad in the Playoffs. He has 3 goals in over 60 playoff games on some good teams. The thing is, we could've just said no to this deal. There was no mystical force saying that the Canucks absolutely had to acquire Miller or else. It's not that hard and Miller is not a good enough piece back to warrant giving up our 1st. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generational.EP40 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldnews said: I love when teams sign average player to big money and term. And I obey anything and everything JB does. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted June 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, NHL97OneTimer said: Yeah, Miller will have to light it up and be a fan favourite for me to like this one. Helping out another team AND giving up a first is tough. I don't know if we helped Tampa that much. They're gonna miss Miller quite a bit. In a perfect world they hold onto him. They had other options to trade players to free up cap space, it didn't have to be Miller. Benning wasn't messing around though. He wanted a guy and went out and got him. He obviously knows the gamble and is willing to live with it to get a player he thinks will be a good fit. I'd rather get a player that helps this team than take another teams cap dump in order to get a pick. We don't need more anchors that don't make us better. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Canucks Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Aladeen said: It disgusts me how many people on here can’t accept that others may have a different opinion than them and have to resort to anyone as a “pathetic loser”. Also those same people that are content in being a middling team that at best squeaks into the playoffs or just misses them rather than building a team that can compete for the Stanley cup for many years in a row. That’s just my opinion though so. Then keep crying. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maketherightmove Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 This will be a trade that is universally hated in 2 years time and looking back on this thread will be hilarious. JT Miller is not a needle moving player. You don’t use a first and third to acquire this. Absolutely bizarre move for a team with many holes still to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickly Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Just now, Maniwaki Canuck said: What an authoritarian intolerant twat. If you can't understand why some people don't like this trade after Benning promising not to trade firsts at this stage in our rebuild, then you're just plain thick. And to pile on with the sexist nonsense at the end. Get stuffed. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, CanadianRugby said: Well the only reason they traded him was because they need the space to resign their players, they took 0 salary back. You can argue value, but not if this was a cap dump. Your weak logic may satisfy your need to mope, but you're outsmarting yourself with this drivel about a cap dump. A cap dump would be Callahan. This is moving cap - it is not moving a dump. Huge difference. There is absolutely no way Tampa would not prefer to move someone else's contract - and carry on with a contending lineup without the likes of Callahan - or even Johnson - limting their flexibility. But it seems you might be distracted and confused on the cap dump front. Spending a 1st round pick to dump one year of Patrick Marleau - that is a prototypical cap dump. I'd love to hear your Leaf-fluffing spin on that one. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Just now, The Great Canucks said: Then keep crying. Yah I cry about anything hockey related you need to check your emotions if people that have a different opinion than you can get you so riled up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, NHL97OneTimer said: Yeah, Miller will have to light it up and be a fan favourite for me to like this one. Helping out another team AND giving up a first is tough. Bo Horvat .33 points per minute JT Miller .30 he will be loved here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generational.EP40 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, oldnews said: Your weak logic may satisfy your need to mope, but you're outsmarting yourself with this drivel about a cap dump. A cap dump would be Callahan. This is moving cap - it is not moving a dump. Huge difference. There is absolutely no way Tampa would not prefer to move someone else's contract - and carry on with a contending lineup without the likes of Callahan - or even Johnson - limting their flexibility. But it seems you might be distracted and confused on the cap dump front. Spending a 1st round pick to dump one year of Patrick Marleau - that is a prototypical cap dump. I'd love to hear your Leaf-fluffing spin on that one. You're so far up JB it’s just sad lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted June 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2019 I’m ok with this trade, so long as I do this when my brain starts thinking about the value side: Purely as a roster acquisition, I like adding JT Miller to our group. The cost? Uh oh, there goes my brain again. Hang on... Ok, yeah... feeling better. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ilduce39 Posted June 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2019 Even if you think this is a bad deal strategically, we won’t be able to know how much it hurts for a few years. Miller is the kind of guy who will add a lot to our team. JB nabbing him and Pearson helps add decent if not overwhelming size and scoring to our top 6. I just hope the fans don’t crap all over JT because of this trade. They can hate on Benning as per usual but leave the guy alone. I think he’s on a decent deal for what he brings. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Maketherightmove said: This will be a trade that is universally hated in 2 years time and looking back on this thread will be hilarious. JT Miller is not a needle moving player. You don’t use a first and third to acquire this. Absolutely bizarre move for a team with many holes still to fill. Says the dude after a hole is filled... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Miller trade is 100 % about JB trying to keep his job on the last year of his contract. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dKs89 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Great Canucks said: It disgusts me how many pathetic losers are on here actually afraid of us trying to get better. It's like some of you want us to be stuck in a perpetual rebuild. I dunno if it disgusts me but I agree. It's especially prevalent on HF. The attitude that the Canucks are in "no position" to trade first round picks. It's such a ridiculous mindset that makes no sense. Any team at any point in their franchise should be looking to improve their team, whether "rebuilding" or competing. Each and every off-season all 31 GMs try to improve their team. But in some peoples mind because we're "rebuilding" it's pointless to add good players, because you know, better to "rebuild" than actually improve the team. The fact is, this off-season we've added a top 4 D in Hughes, and a top 6 player in Miller. He put up 47 this past season in a mostly bottom six role from what I read from Lightning fans. The two years prior he put 56 & 58. The team is going to be better. It's not going to be a lottery pick. If the pick is a lottery pick in 2021 the Canucks have more issues than that pick. But thankfully, we the improvements from the young forward, the fact the team can still improve, teams around us can fall off, it's not going to come down to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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