189lb enforcers? Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 No Jovo. No Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 1 hour ago, khay said: For me, that line didn't make any sense at all. Completely opposite style of play. Bure will die of impatience waiting for the cycle. Bure with EP would be insane, let alone a prime Sundin, hell even a Messier and Neely, but I get the criteria. Imagine no Mogilny on any all-time list and you get the idea here, it’s as useful of a list as this post is, but it will get the clicks; it got mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Pretty good, but I'd have Jovo and Mogilny in for Bieksa and Tanti: Sedin Sedin Mogilny Naslund Linden Bure Burrows Kesler Bertuzzi Courtnall Gradin Smyl Edler Jovo Ohlund Salo Lumme Lidster Luongo McLean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Happy to see Salo make this lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Not Gillis. Terrible drafting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 The irony of Edler / Bieksa being the shutdown pair, they were not good when they were paired together post 2011. Agree with others on Jovo / Mogilny. I'd have dropped Bieksa & slid Lumme over to the right side. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Actually a pretty good team. Looks like they actually did their research, which is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Kobayashi Maru said: Pretty good, but I'd have Jovo and Mogilny in for Bieksa and Tanti: Sedin Sedin Mogilny Naslund Linden Bure Burrows Kesler Bertuzzi Courtnall Gradin Smyl Edler Jovo Ohlund Salo Lumme Lidster Luongo McLean You didn't read their rules, specifically One line must be comprised of defensive standouts, aka a checking line One pair must be comprised of suffocating defenders, aka a shutdown pair □ Team: two goalies, six defencemen, 12 forwards and one foundational player□ Members must have played at least 225 games with the Canucks□ At least one member of the all-time team must be from the 2019-20 Canucks□ Players are slotted in positions they played with the Canucks□ One line must be comprised of defensive standouts, aka a checking line□ One pair must be comprised of suffocating defenders, aka a shutdown pair□ Lines and pairs are put together because they fit together, not because they are necessarily the first, second and third best at their positions□ Foundational players are defined as players part of the fabric – the DNA – of a franchise□ Last cuts by position are exactly as advertised, the players who just missed selection to the all-time team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 so bertuzzi was a checking guy according to tsn lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 23 man roster, don't care how many games they played... Sedin Sedin Bertuzzi Naslund Pettersson Bure Courtnall Linden Mogilny Burrows Kesler Smyl Gradin Tanti Hughes Jovanovski Edler Lumme Ohlund Bieksa Salo Luongo McLean Coach - Alan Vigneault Assistant GM - Jim Benning (in charge of drafting) GM - Pat Quinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Can’t really argue with the players... who knows if the actual lines work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, the grinder said: 57 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: 23 man roster, don't care how many games they played... Sedin Sedin Bertuzzi Naslund Pettersson Bure Courtnall Linden Mogilny Burrows Kesler Smyl Gradin Tanti Hughes Jovanovski Edler Lumme Ohlund Bieksa Salo Luongo McLean Coach - Alan Vigneault Assistant GM - Jim Benning (in charge of drafting) GM - Pat Quinn your 4th line... awesome. I’d like to imagine Linden in the middle of the Sedins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanuck94 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) With no restrictions I'd say for me it's: Mogilny - Pettersson - Bure Sedin - Sedin - Linden Naslund - Gradin - Bertuzzi Burrows - Kesler - Smyl Ohlund - Hughes Lumme - Reinhart Edler - Jovo Luongo Mclean/Markstrom All lefty defence , we really need to get some top end right handed defencemen into this organization. Moved Mogilny from RW to LW just for the sake of our RW depth. I would've added Sundin and pushed Gradin to 4C since I said no restrictions but felt half a season was unfair haha! Plus that 4th line is a hell of a checking line. And yes, I feel Pettersson and Hughes are going to end up being the best players at fwd and def respectively that we've ever had. Edited May 12, 2020 by MrCanuck94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Their defense shutdown pairing is suspect- better with one of either Murzyn or Snepsts (following the rules that is). As far as all-time no matter how many games played then Reinhart definitely gets in too. Otherwise it’s pretty good - although like others have stated the Sedins would be better off with a different winger. I’d put Linden on their wing (which follows their rules) and insert Ronning somewhere to make up for that which would mean a tough cut. Playoff stats matter too and both his regular season and playoffs were top ten. Would also give Quin the head coach job - a monkey could have coached our prime Sedin teams and done fine. I bet he would have done great with that team (Quin). No coach in team history was loved as much as him by the players - and that’s the best coaching style these days - when players are willing to go through walls for your captain and your coach - the results speak for themselves. Which also why both Linden and Smyl deserve that honour too (Captain and alternate). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 14 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Hate to say it..but for FIVE decades(!) that's not exactly a glittering RhD side. Heck, we'd never had a D like Quinn, for eternity. So both sides are pretty modest. But yeah..good compilation. Look at the all time Leafs haha My buddy is a Leafs fan and he just hangs his head when you start going through their D history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 16 hours ago, Jester13 said: Bure with the Twins made me literally lol The Sedins would just be getting to the blue line when Bure was celebrating his goal. Don’t know why they wouldn’t just keep Burrows with the Sedins considering it was one of the best lines we’ve ever had. Sedin Sedin Burrows Tanti Linden Bure Naslund Gradin Bertuzzi Courtnall Kesler Smyl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 hours ago, DeNiro said: The Sedins would just be getting to the blue line when Bure was celebrating his goal. Don’t know why they wouldn’t just keep Burrows with the Sedins considering it was one of the best lines we’ve ever had. Sedin Sedin Burrows Tanti Linden Bure Naslund Gradin Bertuzzi Courtnall Kesler Smyl probably has something to do with the rules, specifically this one "One line must be comprised of defensive standouts, aka a checking line" Also Tanti says he's a right winger. □ Team: two goalies, six defencemen, 12 forwards and one foundational player□ Members must have played at least 225 games with the Canucks□ At least one member of the all-time team must be from the 2019-20 Canucks□ Players are slotted in positions they played with the Canucks□ One line must be comprised of defensive standouts, aka a checking line□ One pair must be comprised of suffocating defenders, aka a shutdown pair□ Lines and pairs are put together because they fit together, not because they are necessarily the first, second and third best at their positions□ Foundational players are defined as players part of the fabric – the DNA – of a franchise□ Last cuts by position are exactly as advertised, the players who just missed selection to the all-time team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 22 hours ago, gurn said: https://www.tsn.ca/the-all-time-7-tsn-s-vancouver-canucks-all-time-team-1.1474522 TSN Hockey presents the All-Time 7 Project. We are naming all-time teams - 21 players, a head coach and GM - for each of the seven Canadian NHL clubs. Today, we conclude it with the Vancouver Canucks. If this were 2025 rather than 2020, how different might the Vancouver Canucks’ all-time team look? Indeed, how different might it look if it were 2022 – pandemic permitting? Absent from the TSN All-Time 7 star-studded team are Elias Pettersson and Quinn Hughes, the centre named NHL Rookie of the Year in 2018-19 and the left defenceman who may earn the same honour in 2019-20. Neither sophomore Pettersson, nor freshman Hughes, has played the requisite 225 regular-season games to be eligible for the all-time team. By the end of the 2021-22 season, they should both have reached that minimum. It wouldn’t be reasonable to consider their abbreviated bodies of work – however impressive – in the same classes as that of their predecessors. Pettersson, in particular, is carrying on a proud Swedish tradition at centre. Two of the four all-time centres – Henrik Sedin and Thomas Gradin – wore Tre Kronor sweaters internationally. Franchise icon Trevor Linden and Ryan Kesler fill out the centre position. But it is at right wing where things are really crowded. Five of the top goal-scorers in franchise history are long-time right wingers: No. 4 Stan Smyl, No. 5 one-of-a-kind Pavel Bure, No. 6 Tony Tanti, No. 9 Alex Burrows and No. 10 Todd Bertuzzi. And that’s not counting No. 3 Linden, who played a portion of his career at right wing but is on the all-time team as a centre. The TSN All-Time 7 Project has been a stickler about slotting players at their authentic positions and not positions of convenience – for instance, highly regarded centres being moved to the wing for the sake of getting them on teams – but there has been a measure of latitude for the checking line. The left-shooting Burrows is an example of that: he had four straight 20-plus goal seasons playing right wing with the Sedins, but began a Canucks Ring of Honour-worthy career at left wing. Burrows is slotted on the checking line alongside Kesler and Smyl, who had eight consecutive seasons of at least 20 goals, but is a great fit as a hard-edged defensive presence. There is, as a result of the right-eous nature of the team, one prominent casualty. Alex Mogilny, who scored 55 goals in 1995-96, averaged nearly a point per game over 312 games and earned a berth on the second all-star team, has been squeezed out. A similar situation arose in Calgary, where the Flames had room for only four of five 50-goal scoring right wingers. Hakan Loob was the last cut in Calgary. Such is the lot of great players who find themselves in great company. TSN All-Time Team Eligibility Criteria □ Team: two goalies, six defencemen, 12 forwards and one foundational player □ Members must have played at least 225 games with the Canucks □ At least one member of the all-time team must be from the 2019-20 Canucks □ Players are slotted in positions they played with the Canucks □ One line must be comprised of defensive standouts, aka a checking line □ One pair must be comprised of suffocating defenders, aka a shutdown pair □ Lines and pairs are put together because they fit together, not because they are necessarily the first, second and third best at their positions □ Foundational players are defined as players part of the fabric – the DNA – of a franchise □ Last cuts by position are exactly as advertised, the players who just missed selection to the all-time team Goalie Roberto Luongo The franchise all-time leader in regular-season wins helped take the Canucks to Game 7 of the 2011 Stanley Cup final, earned a berth on the second all-star team (2006-07), led the NHL in wins once (38, 2010-11) and was a top-three finisher in Vezina Trophy balloting twice. Goalie Kirk McLean The franchise all-time leader in playoff wins helped take the Canucks to Game 7 of the 1994 Stanley Cup final, earned a berth on the second all-star team (1991-92), led the NHL in wins once (38, 1991-92) and was a top-three finisher in Vezina Trophy balloting twice. LD Mattias Ohlund – RD Doug Lidster Ohlund and Lidster are both 300-point scorers for the Canucks and four-time winners of the Babe Pratt Trophy, awarded annually to the team’s best defenceman. LD Jyrki Lumme – RD Sami Salo Lumme’s importance to the Canucks in the 1990s was such that he led defencemen in both goals and points six of seven seasons (1992-98) while hard-shooting Salo holds the team record for most career power-play goals (48). LD Alex Edler – RD Kevin Bieksa Current Canuck Edler is not just the all-time leader in defenceman games, goals, assists and points, he is also the best choice to pair with Kevin Bieksa on the shutdown tandem. LW Daniel Sedin - C Daniel Sedin - RW Pavel Bure The 1,000-point brothers who shared a hockey brain and the most dynamic player in franchise history are the stuff of legends on the Lower Mainland. LW Markus Naslund – C Trevor Linden – RW Todd Bertuzzi Naslund and Bertuzzi reunite as two-thirds of the West Coast Express and all-time playoff point leader Linden replaces Brendan Morrison at centre. Linden was the Canucks’ captain for seven seasons. Naslund led the Canucks in scoring seven straight seasons (1999-2006) and was also captain for seven seasons. LW Geoff Courtnall – C Thomas Gradin – RW Tony Tanti Courtnall ranks behind only Linden and Bure in career playoff goals. The great Gradin led the Canucks in assists four straight seasons in the early 1980s. Tanti is the only player in team history to average 40 goals per year over five consecutive seasons. LW Alex Burrows – C Ryan Kesler – RW Stan Smyl Checking Line: Burrows returns to his Canuck roots as a left winger alongside eventual Selke winner (and runner-up) Kesler. On the right side is ‘Steamer’ Smyl, he of the complete game and nine 100-penalty-minute seasons. Foundational Player - C Orland Kurtenbach Ten years after playing for the Vancouver Canucks of the Western Hockey League, Kurtenbach was drafted by the Vancouver Canucks of the NHL. He was the first captain in team history, wearing the ‘C’ four years before retiring. Kurtenbach was the first Canuck inducted to the Ring of Honour. Head Coach - Alain Vigneault The Canucks’ all-time winningest coach won two Presidents’ Trophies and the Jack Adams Award, but fell one win short of claiming the 2011 Stanley Cup. Co-GMs - Pat Quinn and Mike Gillis Quinn (1987-98) was an iconic presence, so much so that a statue was erected in his honour outside Rogers Arena. Among his moves were picking Pavel Bure in 1989 and picking himself to coach the Canucks: He was named Coach of the Year in 1992 and led Vancouver to Game 7 of the 1994 Stanley Cup final. Gillis (2008-14) assembled a superb record. His teams fashioned a franchise-high .626 cumulative regular season point percentage, winning two Presidents’ Trophies along the way. The Canucks reached Game 7 of the 2011 Stanley Cup final, the same season Gillis was named GM of the Year. THE LAST CUTS Right winger Alex Mogilny and centre Cliff Ronning each played 300-plus games and left their marks on the Canucks. Mogilny is one of only two Canucks – Pavel Bure is the other - to score 50 goals in a season and he averaged 0.99 points per game. Ronning averaged 0.90 points per game and his exemplary playoff record is headed up by a club-record seven game winning goals. G: Richard Brodeur, 1980-87 LD: Ed Jovanovski, 1999-06 RD: Kevin McCarthy, 1978-84 LW: Greg Adams, 1987-95 C: Cliff Ronning, 1991-96 RW: Alex Mogilny, 1995-00 I don’t mind their selections...but one has to wonder IF they took the honourable mentions and inserted them into the lineup and removed the lowest handing fruit (which I agree would be difficult to determine) what that team could do. A ton of heart in that group. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10pavelbure96 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Quinn is the best dman in franchise history already. Change my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, 10pavelbure96 said: Quinn is the best dman in franchise history already. Change my mind Well, as I've said earlier (in the 50 greatest Canucks threads), Dale Tallon set the all time NHL record for points by a rookie defenseman. The next year Jocelyn Guevremont would have set the same record for us if Tallon hadn't done so the previous year. In two years we had two guys that would have been the all-time best rookie in NHL history, beating Bobby Orr's mark. All it takes is not having a career that your rookie season would project and, boom, nobody knows who you are in 50 years. I don't think anybody but me has even mentioned Guevremont, the guy that would have been the best rookie defenseman in NHL history. Quinn has had a great year. Just like Paul Reinhart would have needed to, Quinn has to add to his body of work before he starts pushing Lidster, Snepsts, Edler, Kearns, Lumme, etc. out of the way. Edited May 12, 2020 by Kevin Biestra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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