DeNiro Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 49 minutes ago, Alain Vigneault said: Whoever published this report is out to lunch on the Schmidt note but they're absolutely correct in asserting that the cap prevented us from re-signing guys. I agree that we may have re-signed a guy like Toffoli if we had more cap. But I think the other ones Benning had a walk away term more than price and he couldn’t get it to work. No way we were giving Markstrom 6 years or expansion draft protection. That was a non starter so he took the money in Calgary. It sucks but Benning made the right choice there. As for Tanev and Stecher it was obvious Bennings goal was to upgrade the D. He likely wasn’t willing to go more than 2 years with Tanev. He could have absolutely retained both guys but then we’d basically be going with status quo. We gave the reigns to Demko (the goalie we’ve been grooming for 6 years), upgraded the D in the top 4, and have opened up a spot for a guy like Juolevi, Rafferty, or Rathbone on the top 6. Extra space for Benning also might have meant sign a bunch more inflated UFA contracts, so maybe it’s a blessing in disguise. Depending on the final couple moves we could still end up being a better team overall. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philtbc829 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Well now Leivo has also left to join the flames....frack me it is going to be really weird playing against the flames this year.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 10 hours ago, philtbc829 said: Well now Leivo has also left to join the flames....frack me it is going to be really weird playing against the flames this year.... I would have liked to sign Leivo but oh well we move on . Unless he can trade a contract I think JB is done. Up to the kids to perform now, we shall see how his D prospects do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 There are only a handful of teams with cap space and I suspect that they are all held up with internal budgets or by the Tampa situation. Why take LE and a first when Tampa may have to give you a first, Cernak and a forward that can actually play the game. I doubt we will see any cap dumps until Tampa gets at least one done. The flood gates won't exactly open then because again, very few teams that have room, but will likely see a couple of cap dumps for high prices once Tampa moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlemonger Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Barring any more moves, this could look like Benning's plan as it sits now. Miller - Pettersson - Boeser Pearson - Horvat - Virtanen/Hawryluk Gaudette - Sutter - Hawryluk/Virtanen Motte - Beagle - MacKewan Lind (RW) Eriksson (LW) Hughes - Schmidt Edler - Myers Juolevi - Benn Rathbone Demko Holtby Roussel and Baertschi to the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 15 hours ago, DeNiro said: I agree that we may have re-signed a guy like Toffoli if we had more cap. But I think the other ones Benning had a walk away term more than price and he couldn’t get it to work. No way we were giving Markstrom 6 years or expansion draft protection. That was a non starter so he took the money in Calgary. It sucks but Benning made the right choice there. As for Tanev and Stecher it was obvious Bennings goal was to upgrade the D. He likely wasn’t willing to go more than 2 years with Tanev. He could have absolutely retained both guys but then we’d basically be going with status quo. We gave the reigns to Demko (the goalie we’ve been grooming for 6 years), upgraded the D in the top 4, and have opened up a spot for a guy like Juolevi, Rafferty, or Rathbone on the top 6. Extra space for Benning also might have meant sign a bunch more inflated UFA contracts, so maybe it’s a blessing in disguise. Depending on the final couple moves we could still end up being a better team overall. Yes. I think overall we are at worse the same as last season. Likely a better team if one of our young D’s can do a decent job. Markstrom hurts us more then anything but absolutely it was the correct move and a Holtby/Demo tandem is just fine. It was either Holtby or MAF and I like his cap hit a whole lot better. And if Demko decides every game is an elimination game we just witnessed the second coming of Hasek ha ha. Never gave up on pucks those three games were incredible. So good he killed Vegas with the after effects vs Dallas. That’s something I’ve only seen a few goalies manage. Getting in heads to that degree, the most recent was Price during a 2-3 year span where he was the best in the world and some felt the best player as well. It intimidates the players. Anyhow I really couldn’t be much happier with how things went - we for sure needed a new look on our D - and nobody is calling Schmidt a downgrade on Tanev so have to take their word for it (experts i mean). Stats back it up too. Our D just got a lot more mobile and now we have three D’s that can move the puck out assuming Myers gets back to his career norm. Definitely saw flashes of that especially once we were down a goal in game seven. I’m fairly confident that OJ will earn a spot and not look out of place at all. If you believe Craig Button, Rafferty is destined for the top four as well, if he could beat out Benn our D transformation will happen this season. Woo is also highly touted by the Hockey Writers. They like him so much they say he’s a lock for the top four as well (and have him in the top 100 one spot ahead of OJ). Maybe JB has already done the work just by adding Schmidt? I suspect we will still have to make one trade or one more signing to fill it out the top four ... but there is for sure at least hope that we already have things sorted with what we currently have. Edler cant do it forever and the team won’t have much money to pay him to play in the top four either. I’m hoping he’s ok with third pairing money next year and staying on the team doing that role. Would help bridge the gap until JBs finished his job on the defense. All we really need is one of these guys you mentioned to become a good solid top four D. If two do that then wow are we ever off to the races. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Battlemonger said: Barring any more moves, this could look like Benning's plan as it sits now. Miller - Pettersson - Boeser Pearson - Horvat - Virtanen/Hawryluk Gaudette - Sutter - Hawryluk/Virtanen Motte - Beagle - MacKewan Lind (RW) Eriksson (LW) Hughes - Schmidt Edler - Myers Juolevi - Benn Rathbone Demko Holtby Roussel and Baertschi to the minors. Come on now. Roussel will not be in the minors. He’s still an effective player. Just had an off year cause of surgery. Miller Pettersson Boeser Pearson Horvat Virtanen Roussel Sutter Gaudette Motte Beagle MacEwan/Hawryluk 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lazurus Posted October 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2020 18 hours ago, DeNiro said: I agree that we may have re-signed a guy like Toffoli if we had more cap. But I think the other ones Benning had a walk away term more than price and he couldn’t get it to work. No way we were giving Markstrom 6 years or expansion draft protection. That was a non starter so he took the money in Calgary. It sucks but Benning made the right choice there. As for Tanev and Stecher it was obvious Bennings goal was to upgrade the D. He likely wasn’t willing to go more than 2 years with Tanev. He could have absolutely retained both guys but then we’d basically be going with status quo. We gave the reigns to Demko (the goalie we’ve been grooming for 6 years), upgraded the D in the top 4, and have opened up a spot for a guy like Juolevi, Rafferty, or Rathbone on the top 6. Extra space for Benning also might have meant sign a bunch more inflated UFA contracts, so maybe it’s a blessing in disguise. Depending on the final couple moves we could still end up being a better team overall. Whatever Benning HAD to do was a result of his PLAN. HIS PLAN. His plan didn't allow for resigning all the players, there was never enough cap space even if there was an increase, he didn't allow that players decline in skill when they get older, he didn't allow that other teams might get better, he didn't allow for any contingencies, he expected more unrestrained spending with an unlimited supply of money and that having only two young players was enough to keep filling the stands regardless of any win or loss record. Juloevi HAS play now for two reasons, one is they have no one else and two, failure at the #5 spot from the expert scouting guy isn't good on his resume. Benning is now left with two choices with his unlimited money tap shut off, he has to stick it out with ALL the pieces he has assembled as a winning team over 6 years or QUIT. If he QUITS then he is likely never get a job in a senior position again. And if he stays he is a Faceman and has to take all the blame for his mistakes instead of the new GM and clean house. What do you think a new GM is going to do? Fans can't trust Benning not to make more mistakes because he doesn't think he has, he fired everyone who opposed him or got them fired/quit so he is surrounded with "yes" men. That should be a post, What will The Next Gm Do? All this stuff, Benning's plan, were not many posters here applauding a plan? What plan? To do what? I will guarantee you if the team plays next year they miss the playoff (if there are only the normal amount making 16) by 10 points in a 80 game season, one veteran defenceman gets hurt and done. Just look at the Canucks record without Tanev and they had more depth then. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Battlemonger said: Barring any more moves, this could look like Benning's plan as it sits now. Miller - Pettersson - Boeser Pearson - Horvat - Virtanen/Hawryluk Gaudette - Sutter - Hawryluk/Virtanen Motte - Beagle - MacKewan Lind (RW) Eriksson (LW) Hughes - Schmidt Edler - Myers Juolevi - Benn Rathbone Demko Holtby Roussel and Baertschi to the minors. Wow Roussel wont be sent down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Lazurus said: All this stuff, Benning's plan, were not many posters here applauding a plan? What plan? To do what? I will guarantee you if the team plays next year they miss the playoff (if there are only the normal amount making 16) by 10 points in a 80 game season, one veteran defenceman gets hurt and done. You're funny chicken little. I wish I had access to your crystal ball. Can you tell us when an effective vaccine for covid will be ready for the masses? Back to hockey now. Tanev was a warrior for us but not having him in our lineup next year will not be THE difference in terms of the Canucks making the playoffs or not. He wasn't the Victor to our Hedman or anything. If Hughes went down for significant time, then I would be inclined to fear we'd miss the playoffs because he is that important for us, not Tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlemonger Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 6 hours ago, DeNiro said: Come on now. Roussel will not be in the minors. He’s still an effective player. Just had an off year cause of surgery. Miller Pettersson Boeser Pearson Horvat Virtanen Roussel Sutter Gaudette Motte Beagle MacEwan/Hawryluk I bet Roussel gets sent down before Eriksson does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fanfor42 Posted October 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2020 In 2 years time the Canucks roster/prospects will look like this: Petey 23 Boeser 25 Miller 29 Horvat 27 Podkolzin 21 Hoglander 21 Gaudette 26 Virtanen 26 Motte 27 MacEwen 26 Lind 24 Hughes 23 Schmidt 31 Juolevi 24 Myers 32 Rathbone 23 Rafferty 27 Demko 26 Additional possible players: Tryamkin 28 Woo 22 Jurmo 20 DiPietro 23 Also no dead weight contracts or costs will exist any more. Gone will be Eriksson Sutter Beagle Baertschi Rous Luongo Spooner all to the tune of 24m or so. as a result, the Canucks will be able to add a top UFA or two. This will be the time that the Canucks can become a powerhouse in the league. There may be 6 or so teams in the entire league who will be in this type of shape in 2 years. Calgary won't be one of them lol.. Looking forward to it! 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Aquaman’s cheque Book was a big part of The Plan. Imagine if Francis had been given that kind of money in Carolina? Poor guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Battlemonger said: I bet Roussel gets sent down before Eriksson does. Definitely not. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazurus Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 9:43 PM, KirkSave said: You're funny chicken little. I wish I had access to your crystal ball. Can you tell us when an effective vaccine for covid will be ready for the masses? Back to hockey now. Tanev was a warrior for us but not having him in our lineup next year will not be THE difference in terms of the Canucks making the playoffs or not. He wasn't the Victor to our Hedman or anything. If Hughes went down for significant time, then I would be inclined to fear we'd miss the playoffs because he is that important for us, not Tanev. Not really, I just looked at the team record with Tanev hurt, pretty dismal and now he is gone full time and the team will have two and maybe three rookies on defence? It is not much of a stretch. Imagine if Edler gets hurt this year. The owner might still bail Benning out and there is still time yet for changes but they need pretty big ones. Toffoli isn't such a big loss, he was only around for 10 games, the big loss there is Madden and the pick. The loss of Hughes is one sided, he was pretty horrible defensively and even he stated how tired he was at the break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Lazurus said: Not really, I just looked at the team record with Tanev hurt, pretty dismal and now he is gone full time and the team will have two and maybe three rookies on defence? It is not much of a stretch. Imagine if Edler gets hurt this year. The owner might still bail Benning out and there is still time yet for changes but they need pretty big ones. Toffoli isn't such a big loss, he was only around for 10 games, the big loss there is Madden and the pick. The loss of Hughes is one sided, he was pretty horrible defensively and even he stated how tired he was at the break. Lol...are you really going to use that ludicrous argument? Obviously those stats on Tanev were before last season as Tanev never missed time last season. So those stats are before the team had Huggy, Myers and Miller. To top it off we have replaced Tanev with Schmidt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat land fish Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Lazurus said: Not really, I just looked at the team record with Tanev hurt, pretty dismal and now he is gone full time and the team will have two and maybe three rookies on defence? It is not much of a stretch. Imagine if Edler gets hurt this year. The owner might still bail Benning out and there is still time yet for changes but they need pretty big ones. Toffoli isn't such a big loss, he was only around for 10 games, the big loss there is Madden and the pick. The loss of Hughes is one sided, he was pretty horrible defensively and even he stated how tired he was at the break. You really need to adjust your outlook. Our best guys will be improving each year and likely 2021 will not be their peak year. We added a d man who is better than all other d-men not named Hughes. If you wanted to pick on one area it would be our depth on paper is weaker than a year ago. 2021 will be a volatile year with probably an unusual schedule and the potential for rosters to intermittently lose players to covid. We could be more aggressive in the short term but probably not the best case scenario leading up to an expansion year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 11:43 AM, Lazurus said: Whatever Benning HAD to do was a result of his PLAN. HIS PLAN. His plan didn't allow for resigning all the players, there was never enough cap space even if there was an increase, he didn't allow that players decline in skill when they get older, he didn't allow that other teams might get better, he didn't allow for any contingencies, he expected more unrestrained spending with an unlimited supply of money and that having only two young players was enough to keep filling the stands regardless of any win or loss record. Juloevi HAS play now for two reasons, one is they have no one else and two, failure at the #5 spot from the expert scouting guy isn't good on his resume. Benning is now left with two choices with his unlimited money tap shut off, he has to stick it out with ALL the pieces he has assembled as a winning team over 6 years or QUIT. If he QUITS then he is likely never get a job in a senior position again. And if he stays he is a Faceman and has to take all the blame for his mistakes instead of the new GM and clean house. What do you think a new GM is going to do? Fans can't trust Benning not to make more mistakes because he doesn't think he has, he fired everyone who opposed him or got them fired/quit so he is surrounded with "yes" men. That should be a post, What will The Next Gm Do? All this stuff, Benning's plan, were not many posters here applauding a plan? What plan? To do what? I will guarantee you if the team plays next year they miss the playoff (if there are only the normal amount making 16) by 10 points in a 80 game season, one veteran defenceman gets hurt and done. Just look at the Canucks record without Tanev and they had more depth then. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 11 hours ago, Baggins said: I don't think the Valium would help that poster, he evidently lives to hate. Anybody predicting that the Canucks will miss the playoffs by 10 points next year and that Benning is about to lose his job is either a troll or a simpleton. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 4 hours ago, WeneedLumme said: I don't think the Valium would help that poster, he evidently lives to hate. Anybody predicting that the Canucks will miss the playoffs by 10 points next year and that Benning is about to lose his job is either a troll or a simpleton. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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