thedestroyerofworlds Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, King Heffy said: If you read the study, it says vaccination after infection provides a stronger immune response than infection alone. Got any credible research that suggests otherwise? Not to mention that in order to get "natural immunity" you have to...wait for it...get covid. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Just now, thedestroyerofworlds said: Not to mention that in order to get "natural immunity" you have to...wait for it...get covid. Oh I agree, but his argument was that the vaccine was unnecessary after getting covid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coho8888 Posted January 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Gatzkek said: You think there's no risk in taking the vaccine? No one thinks that. Well the 3.9 Billion that are fully vaccinated thinks that it was worthwhile Edited January 10, 2022 by coho8888 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coho8888 Posted January 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2022 35 minutes ago, Gatzkek said: Oh you don't think natural immunity tops the vaccination. Taking a vaccination now is useless for him, just taking on more risk to please politicians. Just a quick suggestion. Listen to the Medical experts. Your opinions don't really matter if your Son is in an ICU with COVID 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Heffy Posted January 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, coho8888 said: Just a quick suggestion. Listen to the Medical experts. Your opinions don't really matter if your Son is in an ICU with COVID Well since he's not even reading the study I posted, I'm pretty sure that his feelings are more important than the facts. 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, coho8888 said: Well the 3.9 Billion that are fully vaccinated thinks that it was worthwhile yeah, Its gotten weird lately. it's like some are forgetting that the vast majority are in favour of the vax. The debates that I can understand now are around restrictions, passports....even approaches to future vax protection or types of treatment, that I get. But IF the vax is better for you than not getting it at all vs getting covid? seems most are well past that. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coho8888 Posted January 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: yeah, Its gotten weird lately. it's like some are forgetting that the vast majority are in favour of the vax. The debates that I can understand now are around restrictions, passports....even approaches to future vax protection or types of treatment, that I get. But IF the vax is better for you than not getting it at all vs getting covid? seems most are well past that. I don't get it. It seems that common sense is literally thrown out the window for some. I'm also shocked at the sympathy that some have given to the Antivaxxers some of which have made death threats or at the very least have participated in protests in front of hospitals effectively giving the middle finger to those that are trying to save our lives. Its a mad world we live in. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted January 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, coho8888 said: Well the 3.9 Billion that are fully vaccinated thinks that it was worthwhile 7 billion or so jabs with less than 100k major issues and it's scary. 235 million covid infections with 5.5 million deaths and 32 million estimated long haulers and it's survivable 20 minutes ago, coho8888 said: Just a quick suggestion. Listen to the Medical experts. Your opinions don't really matter if your Son is in an ICU with COVID ONly listen to them while they try to save your life. Everything else they say about vaccines or how to not catch covid...ignore Edited January 10, 2022 by Warhippy 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 3 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: The Comox outlet names all three and has their photos in the article. I still think this lawsuit is toast though. - You were right I misread. My bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Critical Care numbers from the UK. Antivaxxers take notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cerridwen Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Just now, The Arrogant Worms said: Yup, sums it up perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 20 hours ago, D.B Cooper said: Again, I’m vaccinated. Hahaha What are you even talking about? Are you saying the government has been perfect with how they have handled this? They haven’t done anything different in any of the waves and we keep running into the same issue. Are you even reading what I’m saying before you respond? It doesn’t seem like it because your posts are irrelevant to what I’m saying. That’s not going to happen. Period. Not everyone is just going to all of a sudden agree with you. Those people are jackasses. And IMO so are the antivaxers. Again, probably not going to happen. The world doesn’t need to be 100% vaccinated before the virus stops being a threat. It’s already proving to be weakening. I haven't ever said that, but, with a fast moving virus no Government is or has. But, I guess you're going to blame the Government anyway, right? Why do you think I'm responding? You keep saying you were done talking to me, yet here you are. Everyone? No, but I'd say you and the other very few that pop up weekly on this board will never anyway. Wrong, wrong, wrong! But, I'm glad you took one for the anti vax team, and did the smart thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) The Costco on Brighton is taking walk ins for vaccinations. Bit of a lineup though! Edited January 10, 2022 by johngould21 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted January 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Gatzkek said: Interesting that you found a study to presumably back up that contention. I'm won't scrutinize it too close because that data is moot now with omicron. So you actually think a vaccine is stronger than natural immunity. Ok, that's surprising. Maybe I'll find something that says otherwise. The literal definition of confirmation bias. 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatzkek Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, King Heffy said: Well since he's not even reading the study I posted, I'm pretty sure that his feelings are more important than the facts. Of course I looked at it. I said I didn't scrutinize it, meaning look for flaws. I acknowledged my surprise that you found an article to support your stand. Presently, I have things to do, like going for a walk, shopping, cooking etc. When I have time I'll see if I can find something to support something which I thought was totally obvious, Natural imuunity>vaccine immunity. Here's an IQ challenge for all. Does this belief mean you shouldn't get vaccinated? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Heffy Posted January 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Gatzkek said: Of course I looked at it. I said I didn't scrutinize it, meaning look for flaws. I acknowledged my surprise that you found an article to support your stand. Presently, I have things to do, like going for a walk, shopping, cooking etc. When I have time I'll see if I can find something to support something which I thought was totally obvious, Natural imuunity>vaccine immunity. Luckily, it was peer reviewed, meaning people who actually have relevant education have looked for flaws for you. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 5 hours ago, gurn said: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/3-ontario-nurses-disciplined-for-social-media-posts-related-to-pandemic-launch-1m-libel-suit/ar-AASCbSQ?ocid=msedgntp Three Ontario nurses who have faced discipline for their stances on the pandemic are suing the Canadian Nurses Association (CNA) and a media outlet in British Columbia, with the libel suit seeking $1 million. Kristen Nagle of London, Kristal Pitter of Tillsonburg and Sara Choujounian of Toronto have been investigated by the College of Nurses of Ontario (CNO) for sharing their controversial views about the pandemic on social media. All three nurses are entitled to practise in Ontario without restrictions. Pitter, a nurse practitioner and former nursing home inspector for the Ontario Ministry of Long-Term Care, has been cautioned by the CNO, along with Nagle, about spreading misinformation on social media about the pandemic. Nagle, a former neonatal intensive-care nurse at London Health Sciences Centre, was fired last January after she was charged by law enforcement for failing to comply with Ontario's emergency pandemic health restrictions in November 2020. She was charged again in April 2021. 3 are members of Canadian Frontline Nurses Choujounian, a former practical nurse with a Toronto home-care agency, will face a CNO disciplinary hearing this June for professional misconduct in connection with a dozen social media posts related to the pandemic, including claims surgical masks increase the risk of cancer, the COVID-19 pandemic is a hoax and COVID-19 vaccines are "unsafe." Nagle and Choujounian were also investigated by the Ontario nursing regulator for making a trip to Washington with a group of peers, during last January's non-essential travel ban, for allegedly promoting theories that the pandemic is a hoax and hospitals had a role to play in misrepresenting it. All three nurses are part of Canadian Frontline Nurses (CFN), an offshoot of Global Frontline Nurses, that was created to "empower health-care workers who disagree with lockdowns," according to the CFN's Facebook page. The statement of claim was filed in a Toronto court on Dec. 13, 2021, by the CFN on behalf of Pitter, Nagle and Choujounian, and names four defendants: The CNA. CNA president Tim Guest. CNA's chief executive officer, Michael Villeneuve. The B.C. media company Together News Inc., which has four small-town newspapers in the Comox Valley. The lawsuit claims the defamatory statements against the plaintiffs were made by each organization separately in September 2021, against a backdrop of anti-lockdown demonstrations at hospitals across Canada. CNA article didn't refer to nurses by name In its allegations against the CNA, the lawsuit claims the organization made defamatory statements about Pitter, Nagle and Choujounian on its website on Sept. 9, 2021, in an anonymous opinion piece titled "Enough is enough: professional nurses stand for science-based health care." The article does not name Pitter, Nagle or Choujounian. Instead, it makes reference to "the reckless views of a handful of discredited people who identify as nurses," saying they "have aligned in some cases with angry crowds who are putting public health and safety at risk." The CNA post also refers to the demonstrators at the September hospital protests as "surly mobs" who "harass, threaten, and even assault health-care workers coming and going in the business of saving lives." The lawsuit says that while the CNA article did not explicitly refer to the plaintiffs by name, it "was intended" and "could be understood to refer to them," claiming the CNA "knew or ought to have known" the statements were libel. The statement of claim said the CNA article was "meant and was understood to mean" the plaintiffs "are not nurses," are "anti-science," "put public health and safety at risk" and "formed part of a crowd that was intent on causing trouble or violence" through harassing and threatening health-care workers. Suit claims plaintiffs faced 'ridicule, hatred' In its allegations against Together News Inc., the lawsuit claims, the company made defamatory statements in an anonymous opinion piece published on Sept. 11, 2021, entitled "Quack! Quack! These pro-virus nurses have dangerous ideas." The article explicitly names Canadian Frontline Nurses, Pitter, Nagle and Choujounian. The statement of claim alleges the article paints the three registered nurses as "disgraced," "highly disturbed and unstable" and that all three women were "terminated because their employers did not trust them." The lawsuit also claims the TNI article suggests "Pitter was responsible for COVID deaths in long-term care facilities," and paints Nagle and Choujounian as participants in the Jan. 6, 2021, protest that resulted in an attack on the U.S. Capitol Building. The lawsuit says Pitter, Nagle and Choujounian have been subjected to "ridicule, hatred and contempt," and have been "injured in their feelings, their personal and professional character and reputation." Court documents also say the three registered nurses "continue to suffer personal embarrassment and humiliation, and have experienced great emotional anxiety" as a result of the publications. Lawsuit asks for $1M in damages The plaintiffs are asking for $750,000 in general damages and $250,000 in punitive damages. CBC News contacted the CNA on Friday. Through a spokesperson, the organization said via email it couldn't comment because it "had no knowledge of this lawsuit and has yet to be served." Also Friday, Together News Inc. said in an email that it would not comment on the matter as it had yet to receive court documents. "We have not been served, so don't have sufficient detail to comment at this time," the email said. CBC News also spoke with Alexander Boissonette-Lehner, the lawyer for the plaintiffs, on Friday. "As the matter is before the courts, it would be inappropriate for me to comment at this time," he said. Consequences for your actions is a real bummer hey? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gatzkek said: Of course I looked at it. I said I didn't scrutinize it, meaning look for flaws. I acknowledged my surprise that you found an article to support your stand. Presently, I have things to do, like going for a walk, shopping, cooking etc. When I have time I'll see if I can find something to support something which I thought was totally obvious, Natural imuunity>vaccine immunity. Here's an IQ challenge for all. Does this belief mean you shouldn't get vaccinated? Natural immunity is not better than the vaccine immunity. That’s an urban myth. The best immunity is both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, King Heffy said: I think there's significantly more risk in not taking it and that no one with a functioning brain thinks otherwise. The absolute stupidity is simply mind-blowing with these people. I don't even mind staying home most of the time anymore. I don't want to be anywhere near people that are this clueless and dangerously dense. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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