redhdlois Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, coastal.view said: i appreciate your posting but i think this post is a good example of what the real problem is regarding this virus we want to point to our leadership to do more when in fact we all have to do more they have given us information and recommendations that will work we have to implement this where we see others not doing so we need to remind them there is not a large enough enforcement force available that can do this and even if they could they are going to show up 5 or 10 minutes later when the incident is historical we have been told what to do there is not much else our leadership can do it is up to us now stop expecting them to do more when we have all done what is recommended that will be the time to review much more critically the minor shortfall in our leadership in the meantime that energy is focused in the wrong direction I appreciate your posting! I agree with what you are saying........I guess I should have been more specific.....it will be the same people that aren’t doing their part that will be calling for/blaming the government for not doing more. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, coastal.view said: i appreciate your posting but i think this post is a good example of what the real problem is regarding this virus we want to point to our leadership to do more when in fact we all have to do more they have given us information and recommendations that will work we have to implement this I agree, but it's tough on those of us who are doing what we're supposed to do. Quote where we see others not doing so we need to remind them Therein lies the issue. How do we tell people on the beaches/parks/parties not to do so from our home? In this weird new world, the people (news outlets/government) in the media are sometimes our only hope in spreading the message of what needs to be done. So of course our feelings/anger are going to be pointed at those few that do have a voice right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Hopefully, the rain for this upcoming week will force more people to stay indoors. As usual, my neck of the woods is ahead of the curve. Started coming down yesterday. Luckily, I was able to get my rain gutters cleared on Saturday. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhdlois Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, EmilyM said: I agree, but it's tough on those of us who are doing what we're supposed to do. Therein lies the issue. How do we tell people on the beaches/parks/parties not to do so from our home? In this weird new world, the people (news outlets/government) in the media are sometimes our only hope in spreading the message of what needs to be done. So of course our feelings/anger are going to be pointed at those few that do have a voice right now. I live in an apartment where I can see and have watched groups of people on the seawall.......I thought about getting a megaphone lol 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, EmilyM said: I agree, but it's tough on those of us who are doing what we're supposed to do. Therein lies the issue. How do we tell people on the beaches/parks/parties not to do so from our home? In this weird new world, the people (news outlets/government) in the media are sometimes our only hope in spreading the message of what needs to be done. So of course our feelings/anger are going to be pointed at those few that do have a voice right now. i appreciate it is problematic but if you see something you are in fact the best option to address it if you see it on tv don't fret about it those people are being exposed by tv they in fact are being dealt with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, redhdlois said: I appreciate your posting! I agree with what you are saying........I guess I should have been more specific.....it will be the same people that aren’t doing their part that will be calling for/blaming the government for not doing more. b!tches be b!ches regardless of gender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 So I am allowed to take a leave of absence - I think I'll continue to work provided that can get me a fresh mask each day. I feel a lot better working with one, and i'll just take it day by day. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, coastal.view said: i appreciate it is problematic but if you see something you are in fact the best option to address it if you see it on tv don't fret about it those people are being exposed by tv they in fact are being dealt with Yeah. I guess it's just difficult when, all things considered, quarantining is "easy" compared to what generations of the past had to endure during difficult times. So for a lot of us who are committed to the quarantine, it sucks we can't do more to urge others to do so. I guess all we can really do as individuals is talk to friends/family members who are not taking it seriously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: we should know in a week if we're starting to flatten the curve, that the line that matters. There will be plenty of time to blame, etc. when its over, for whatever that will be worth. I'm more interested in what lessons we've learned and if we actually implement new systems, otherwise all of this was just a waste. I think we're fortunate in some senses - that as horrible as this virus is, it's not even more virulent. The reality is that 'we' weren't really prepared for this - it's a learning 'curve' whether we like it or not. We've seen some exceptionally low speed responses - that we may not be able to 'afford' if/when there's a next time. For example - I've described some of the responses of grocers here - yesterday was the first day that the closest national (and international) chain grocer implemented even the simplest of measures - of limiting the numbers of people that entered their store at any given time. Prior to yesterday, there was no one outside their establishment communicating, counting/tracking, let alone limiting, the volume of traffic they allowed (significantly over guidelines). That kind of lax, business-as-usual practice will be increasingly unacceptable/irresponsible - but the reality of the present is that private retailers were not prepared, they acted slowly and depended on a chain of command that tends to top-down these decisions from corporate hq. Those CEO down type decision-makers are not always the most informed nor are they 'front-line' threatened by the reality that their staffs and local managers contend with. The whole process is/was flawed, and tends to be slow to respond - the typical response to questions about what they were doing was 1) we are following existing guidelines (in other words, we will react slowly once the bureaucracies decree what we can/will do). Even that level of preventative measures was voluntary and not executed - and even that public health bureaucracy is reactive and learning on the job, in spite of the resumes of experience (little of that was in this context). So there is both a public and private lag that is very costly - and it's even more difficult to counteract when both those are under extra pressure, with reduced resources and time, at their disposal - and are structurally determined to depend on top-down decision-making that is overwhelmed and lack the capacity to respond in a 'full spectrum' way. The lessons we learn, the ways we adapt systems - hopefully do not get lost in juvenile ideological squabbles - that unfortunately are particularly heightened in the context of the present 'leadership', particularly south of the border. I think, however, that there will remain an underlying imperative - that hopefully the private sector at least, will not ignore/forget. Unlike the present, there will certainly be a point at which the public debate will need to go well beyond softballs to hard, constructive criicism of our responses (and lack of). The problem with the 'Trumpizm' of the present is not just that he wastes his own words and drowns out other far more measured and worthwhile voices - but he also gets people wasting their energy with responses, criticism and politicking, in a cycling, counterproductive contagion of idiocy that infects large parts of the public dialogue. Hopefully, that - too - becomes a lesson-learned (although I suspect humans gonna continue to human, and what you'll see is an endless apologizm for the kind of impotent 'leadership' we saw on this continent). The private sphere, ironically, will probably have to take the 'lead' while the 'leadership' politricks it's way out of accountability. Edited March 23, 2020 by oldnews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, EmilyM said: Yeah. I guess it's just difficult when, all things considered, quarantining is "easy" compared to what generations of the past had to endure during difficult times. So for a lot of us who are committed to the quarantine, it sucks we can't do more to urge others to do so. I guess all we can really do as individuals is talk to friends/family members who are not taking it seriously. no doubt it is tough but it is still important to maintain some balance there is nothing wrong with being outside we need to get out these days cuz so many are home bound the critical issue is maintaining social distance and hand washing upon our return home just because people are outside does not make them non compliant close grouping outside is canada is a huge country with vast open spaces even within cities there is a lot of space other countries do not have the same luxury so we might be able to do more outdoors then what we have seen in other countries remember the only way the virus is known to clearly spread is by transfer from people in close quarters and by viruses on surfaces that is what everyone needs to be vigilant about whether they are indoor or outdoor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) new york cases went up 38% overnight they are over 20k i am deeply saddened over the usa handling of this pandemic and their so slow reaction cuomo is acting as swiftly as he can now even while recognizing he is behind he is locating areas to set up "mash units" and will be immediately testing suspected viable treatment drugs the man is on a mission at least that is positive and he is ensuring testing at an unbelievable rate it is stunning how much is suddenly being done in ny state he is even forcing trump to help him i'm sure our leadership is monitoring his efforts closely just in case things turn badly here Edited March 23, 2020 by coastal.view 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, coastal.view said: new york cases went up 38% overnight they are over 20k i am deeply saddened over the usa handling of this pandemic and there so slow reaction It is catastrophic how it’s been handled. Yet people still come to that fiend’s defense. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tre Mac Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, coastal.view said: new york cases went up 38% overnight they are over 20k i am deeply saddened over the usa handling of this pandemic and there so slow reaction Not surprising tbh when you consider who's in charge and the clips from Florida. Even here at my workplace I got laughed at by some for wearing a mask - people just don't get it. What really did for me - though I took this seriously from day 1 - is the clip from the Italian hospital and seeing waiting rooms(not ICU's) filled with people on ventilators and doctors having to pull people off them to save someone who's younger. That clip is almost a week old now. I can't think of a worse way to go out, grasping at air until you can no longer breathe. 1 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mackcanuck Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tre Mac said: Not surprising tbh when you consider who's in charge and the clips from Florida. Even here at my workplace I got laughed at by some for wearing a mask - people just don't get it. What really did for me - though I took this seriously from day 1 - is the clip from the Italian hospital and seeing waiting rooms(not ICU's) filled with people on ventilators and doctors having to pull people off them to save someone who's younger. That clip is almost a week old now. I can't think of a worse way to go out, grasping at air until you can no longer breathe. This is already a concern in Nanaimo Dr. Kenyon occasionally will run a thought experiment in his mind: Nanaimo, a mid-size city on the east coast of the island, is home to roughly 90,000 people. Taking a conservative estimate, say only 25 per cent of those get infected with the virus. That’s 22,500 people. And then say 4 per cent of those people – the figure most often used – require intensive care. That’s 900 people. And most, if not all, will require a ventilator machine. And most people needing ventilation with COVID-19 generally require it for three weeks. “What am I going to do with 14 ventilators?” Dr. Kenyon said in an interview. “I can tell you what I’m going to do: I’m going to do what they’re doing in Italy and I’m going to take 70-year-olds off the ventilator, and then 60-year-olds off the ventilator and eventually 50-year-olds off the ventilator, and I’m going to give them to 30-year olds with three kids.” More here https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-moral-choice-that-may-soon-be-facing-canadian-doctors-who-lives/ 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 31 minutes ago, Tre Mac said: So I am allowed to take a leave of absence - I think I'll continue to work provided that can get me a fresh mask each day. I feel a lot better working with one, and i'll just take it day by day. I elected to take the week off boss is understanding, my dad has copd so I have to assist with the shopping and maintain precautions for now. Glad you got to a more comfortable level at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said: This is already a concern in Nanaimo Dr. Kenyon occasionally will run a thought experiment in his mind: Nanaimo, a mid-size city on the east coast of the island, is home to roughly 90,000 people. Taking a conservative estimate, say only 25 per cent of those get infected with the virus. That’s 22,500 people. And then say 4 per cent of those people – the figure most often used – require intensive care. That’s 900 people. And most, if not all, will require a ventilator machine. And most people needing ventilation with COVID-19 generally require it for three weeks. “What am I going to do with 14 ventilators?” Dr. Kenyon said in an interview. “I can tell you what I’m going to do: I’m going to do what they’re doing in Italy and I’m going to take 70-year-olds off the ventilator, and then 60-year-olds off the ventilator and eventually 50-year-olds off the ventilator, and I’m going to give them to 30-year olds with three kids.” More here https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-moral-choice-that-may-soon-be-facing-canadian-doctors-who-lives/ let's not get ahead of ourselves though i appreciate the doctor has a theoretical concern he is pointing out the worst case scenario and maybe we will get there but i doubt it presently in canada there is 1 person on the critically ill listing not 900 in nanaimo so not sure how his commentary is helpful or grounded in reality at present 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Ontario and Quebec shutting down all non-essential business starting midnight tomorrow for 14 days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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coastal.view Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: i think we could all use a regular update of this perhaps they can do it weekly ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, redhdlois said: New cases as reported by Dr Henry. 48 since Saturday. 3 more deaths....one more at Lynn Valley Care Centre, one at Haro Care Centre She said the backlog of testing is almost up to date. It is too bad they are testing so few though.... ....who knows what the real number of infected are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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