drummer4now Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) meh its mostly bad for the poor and elderly.... Edited February 25, 2020 by drummer4now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Total BS. 10 minutes ago, drummer4now said: meh its mostly bad for the poor and elderly.... yes, basically. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: Total BS. yes, basically. Also forgot to mention and infants/young children potentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, drummer4now said: Also forgot to mention and infants/young children potentially. this is more worrisome, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRypien37 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 lol Fear Mongering to the next level. A wise man once said the best way to control people is through fear. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colt 45s Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 People just returning with the disease are being told to stay at home and isolate. Sucks to be the other 300 people on the plane, and the UBER driver who drove them home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grape Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) The whole issue of the coronavirus is so overblown in terms of the preventative travel measures that are "needed." Here are a few quotes I found elsewhere that I thought were eye-opening: "This is one stupendous mass hysteria. The FP is reporting that, I believe internationally, there have been 79,000 cases with 2,000 deaths. In the US, for the 2019-20 regular old flu season, so far there have been over 200,000 cases and approaching 15,000 deaths. The things folks latch on to and lose their minds over are simply incredible" "The amount of elevated risk is minuscule. The risk of being able to reenter the country, on the other hand, is non-minuscule, because apparently the people who make those decisions don't understand risk analysis." "Social media is running with the mass hysteria. Every time I look at Twitter or Facebook I see a new video of suited up Chinese dudes hog-tying some poor guy and throwing him in a quarantine truck. Then they spray all the **** down with some fog stuff." "-Travel ban effect on public health: negligible. A virus with an unknown incubation period, believed to be at least a week, and which can be spread asymptomatically, simply cannot be stopped by a travel restriction. -Travel ban effect on the public: mostly bifurcated. The fears of some members of the public will be assuaged, because "they" have the virus and "they" aren't "here." Others will panic, because "they" have the virus and will come "here" and kill "us." -At the end of the day, washing your hands will help more than any travel restriction ever could." I see it this way: if weather during a certain season during the year was unexpectedly horrible, and might cause a lot more accidents, do you just ban autonomous vehicles all around? I understand that the coronavirus is a VIRUS, and there are more complicated aspects to it, but the risks are not even close to what the fear level would indicate it to be, and it would take A LOT of additional negligence for the virus to be a legitimate issue in North America. There's no analytically logical explanation to banning travel to the extent that some have taken in the case of coronavirus, as there is no logical explanation to banning autonomous vehicles in the case of bad weather. The only explanation therefore lies within and is built solely in the mind. Edited February 25, 2020 by Grape 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, drummer4now said: Also forgot to mention and infants/young children potentially. Not neccessarily, there has been thousands of deaths but not one has occurred with children. Children have gotten this virus, but they are the ones who recover the quickest and show the least amount of symptoms. If you have an elder in the household, they should be the ones you worry about most especially anyone with any underlying health problems. Edited February 25, 2020 by smokes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Grape said: The whole issue of the coronavirus is so overblown in terms of the preventative travel measures that are "needed." Here are a few quotes I found elsewhere that I thought were eye-opening: "This is one stupendous mass hysteria. The FP is reporting that, I believe internationally, there have been 79,000 cases with 2,000 deaths. In the US, for the 2019-20 regular old flu season, so far there have been over 200,000 cases and approaching 15,000 deaths. The things folks latch on to and lose their minds over are simply incredible" "The amount of elevated risk is minuscule. The risk of being able to reenter the country, on the other hand, is non-minuscule, because apparently the people who make those decisions don't understand risk analysis." "Social media is running with the mass hysteria. Every time I look at Twitter or Facebook I see a new video of suited up Chinese dudes hog-tying some poor guy and throwing him in a quarantine truck. Then they spray all the **** down with some fog stuff." "-Travel ban effect on public health: negligible. A virus with an unknown incubation period, believed to be at least a week, and which can be spread asymptomatically, simply cannot be stopped by a travel restriction. -Travel ban effect on the public: mostly bifurcated. The fears of some members of the public will be assuaged, because "they" have the virus and "they" aren't "here." Others will panic, because "they" have the virus and will come "here" and kill "us." -At the end of the day, washing your hands will help more than any travel restriction ever could." I see it this way: if weather during a certain season during the year was unexpectedly horrible, and might cause a lot more accidents, do you just ban autonomous vehicles all around? I understand that the coronavirus is a VIRUS, and there are more complicated aspects to it, but the risks are not even close to what the fear level would indicate it to be, and it would take A LOT of additional negligence for the virus to be a legitimate issue in North America. There's no analytically logical explanation to banning travel to the extent that some have taken in the case of coronavirus, as there is no logical explanation to banning autonomous vehicles in the case of bad weather. The only explanation therefore lies within and is built solely in the mind. pulling random quotes off the net without full context and sources including who made these statements and their expertise is just as silly as what you are complaining about. Edited February 26, 2020 by samurai 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Logitek said: In a shift from previous messages, Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. Theresa Tam acknowledged Monday that Canada may no longer be able to contain and limit the virus if it continues to spread around the world. She said governments, businesses and individuals should prepare for an outbreak or pandemic. “We are coming to similar conclusions,” agreed Dr. Vera Etches, the City of Ottawa’s top health officer, on Monday. “It looks like it is going to be more and more difficult to contain this virus and it may well evolve into a pandemic. That would change the efforts to contain every last case and contact.” Etches said people can take steps now, at home and at work, to prepare. Some of those steps include stocking up on needed prescriptions ahead of time so there is no need to do so during a possible pandemic. She also recommended people stock up on non-perishable food. “Imagine if someone was ill for a week. What would you need?” She said there are ongoing discussions about setting up an assessment centre outside of hospitals to reduce pressure on the health system. “The global risk situation is evolving,” said Tam, noting that the novel coronavirus, or COVID-19, has grown beyond its epicentre in China to include rapid community spreading in several countries. “The window for containment is closing. These signs are worrisome.” She made the comments shortly after Ontario and British Columbia confirmed their latest cases of novel coronavirus, bringing the Canadian total to 11. In Ontario, a woman in her twenties, who returned to Toronto after travelling in China, is the latest presumptive case. The patient has only mild symptoms and has isolated herself, say Ontario health officials. Health officials are also tracing contacts after a woman arrived in Vancouver from Iran, by way of Montreal, with novel coronavirus. A man who was a close contact of the woman, has been confirmed as the country’s 11th case. Iran is now home to an epidemic with 13 confirmed deaths, according to the government. Italy is the site of Europe’s first outbreak. The country locked down at least 12 communities and cancelled a Venice carnival after six deaths as of Monday. South Korea also has a growing outbreak as do a number of other countries. On Monday, Tam said it’s possible novel coronavirus is present in countries that don’t have the capacity to detect and monitor it, which makes trying to identify potential cases coming into Canada at the border increasingly difficult. Countries like Canada have, so far, succeeded in identifying and containing the virus to a few, mostly mild, cases. But if there are more and more countries involved, she said, the border measures used to identify potential cases might no longer be effective or feasible. “This is something we have to be prepared for.” Tam said the quickly evolving situation tells Canada and other countries “that we have to prepare in the event of more widespread transmission in our communities.” Given the global situation, Tam said it will be very difficult to stop the virus from spreading, but slowing it down is Canada’s goal. Delaying the onset of a broader outbreak in Canada could put it beyond seasonal flu and virus season, which would take pressure off the health system and give officials and individuals more time to prepare. A delay would also allow health officials to better understand the novel coronavirus and give researchers more time to look for treatments. “We are trying to push past winter respiratory season. That will help a lot.” The World Health Organization is telling countries to prepare as if COVID-19 is a pandemic, although it has not declared it one. Etches, meanwhile, said people should be prepared in the workplace as well, by ensuring someone else is available to take on necessary tasks if an employee is sick. Etches and other health officials continue to encourage people to wash their hands regularly and practice keeping their hands away from their faces to prevent spread. There have been no cases of COVID-19 in Ottawa. To date, 25 people have tested negative. Etches said one or two people come to the attention of Ottawa Public Health every day and are assessed as to whether they meet the case definition for testing. In Ontario, 540 potential cases have tested negative, nine are under investigation, three cases have not been resolved and there is one new presumptive positive. British Columbia has had a total of seven cases. Meanwhile, the remaining Canadians repatriated from Wuhan and quarantined at Trenton Air Base are due to head home. In Cornwall, at the Nav Centre, 129 Canadians are being quarantined after having been evacuated off the Diamond Princess cruise ship. In Japan, 48 Canadians who were aboard the cruise are being treated for symptoms of COVID-19. Thirty four of the former passengers are hospitalized, said Tam, two of them in critical condition. Globally, there have been 79,331 confirmed cases of COVID-19, 77,262 of them in China. There have been 2,595 deaths in China and 23 deaths outside China, with cases in 30 countries. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/canadians-being-told-to-prepare-for-a-possible-novel-coronavirus-pandemic this article is better https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/24/coronavirus-outbreak-a-pandemic-in-all-but-name-says-expert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skategal Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I'm not an expert on disease control, I think that many of the articles are trying to educate the general population on mitigation strategies. Avoid touching your eyes, nose, mouth with your hands (triangle of death) as most disease is transmitted through those areas. Heightened awareness of handwashing is never a bad thing. People die from flu virus every year, hence the flu vaccines. Most at risk are the older and ill populations. Nothing new here. However, if more people in the general population become sick even though they aren't at risk of death, there is a significant hit to our economy. I remember working for a large corporation during the SARS outbreak and all the mitigation strategies we put in place during that time to keep our company functioning in the event of huge swaths of employees being absent. Significant numbers of people being ill also puts a huge strain on our medical resources which then reduces availability for treatment of other health issues. We are likely to see increased death rates similar to any flu issue, but more broad as this virus we can't vaccinate for and it seems to hit pretty hard. Some of the work I do is in Community Centers and we are now doing a lot more cleaning and sanitizing than ever before to help mitigate any risks. Please be prepared to stay at home if you have any illness symptoms, sadly by the time you have symptoms you may have already passed on whatever illness you have. Stock up on necessities so you can self quarantine for a week or two. Wash your hands folks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 In other news it’s flu season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Silky mitts Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Christian missionaries have been in full rampant force around my neighborhood bringing up the corona virus as one of the factors to turn to god. lol. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I wanted to find info on the death rate of this virus vs the flu...and a breakdown of death rate by age. While poking around to find info i was amazed at how ignorant I was about the number of deaths the "regular" flu causes each season (80,000 in the US according to some stats I saw) Found this article regarding the coronavirus mortality rates, broken down by age. https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html Death rate So far this flu season, about 0.05% of people who caught the flu have died from the virus in the U.S., according to CDC data. The death rate for COVID-19 appears to be higher than that of the flu. In the study published Feb. 18 in the China CDC Weekly, researchers found a death rate from COVID-19 to be around 2.3% in mainland China. That's much higher than the death rate linked to flu, which is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times. Even so, the death rate for COVID-19 varied by location and an individual’s age, among other factors. For instance, in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the outbreak, the death rate reached 2.9%; in other provinces of China, that rate was just 0.4%. In addition, older adults have been hit the hardest. The death rate soars to 14.8% in those 80 and older; among those ages 70 to 79, the COVID-19 death rate in China seems to be about 8%; it’s 3.6% for those ages 60 to 69; 1.3% for 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39. Nobody 9 and under has died of this coronavirus to date. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 21 minutes ago, Darius said: I wanted to find info on the death rate of this virus vs the flu...and a breakdown of death rate by age. While poking around to find info i was amazed at how ignorant I was about the number of deaths the "regular" flu causes each season (80,000 in the US according to some stats I saw) Found this article regarding the coronavirus mortality rates, broken down by age. https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html Death rate So far this flu season, about 0.05% of people who caught the flu have died from the virus in the U.S., according to CDC data. The death rate for COVID-19 appears to be higher than that of the flu. In the study published Feb. 18 in the China CDC Weekly, researchers found a death rate from COVID-19 to be around 2.3% in mainland China. That's much higher than the death rate linked to flu, which is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times. Even so, the death rate for COVID-19 varied by location and an individual’s age, among other factors. For instance, in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the outbreak, the death rate reached 2.9%; in other provinces of China, that rate was just 0.4%. In addition, older adults have been hit the hardest. The death rate soars to 14.8% in those 80 and older; among those ages 70 to 79, the COVID-19 death rate in China seems to be about 8%; it’s 3.6% for those ages 60 to 69; 1.3% for 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39. Nobody 9 and under has died of this coronavirus to date. Thats why hospitals/hospice/etc are so hell bent on sanitary procedures because many older people who have a chance to dying already are pretty suseptible to passing away from the flu because their immune system is already having difficulties fighting back so quite often the flu is the final blow to them. The fact you are going from 0.1% for the regular flu to 3% plus in the elderly. Think about that many people suddenly taking up extra spots in our overcrowded hospitals, that would be horrible. My father in law was just in the hospital for a couple weeks, he was basically on a bed shoved beside multiple others in a single room just because they didn't have space for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 It's interesting that people are still comparing this virus to the flu. It's no longer about the number of cases, or the number of deaths, or mortality rates. The implications are so much bigger than the regular flu. The regular flu doesn't cancel schools, doesn't curtail air travel, doesn't ban mass gatherings, doesn't force people into quarantine en masse, doesn't shutter factories, doesn't effect global supply chains, doesn't cause financial markets to panic. There's talk of the summer Olympics in Tokyo being cancelled or shifted to London. That's a pretty big deal. The way it has suddenly spread in Italy and Iran is a big problem. Not to mention outbreaks in Japan and South Korea. The world is overdue for a recession. This is possibly enough to tip it into recession. Let's see the regular flu do that. US Health and Human Services Azar: There will likely be more cases of coronavirus in US Tue 25 Feb 2020 17:10:46 GMT Health and Human Services Sec. Azar warrants of coronavirus. US stockpile of N95 masks is 30 million. Experts have suggested we need 300 million for healthcare workers There will likely be more cases of coronavirus in the United States US has stockpile of ventilators and masks, but not enough for coronavirus outbreak Departments infectious disease rapid response fund running out of money We have to establish supply and build up manufacturing capacity for surgical masks in the US *************** Sure doesn't sound like the US is prepared. If they aren't, there's zero chance Canada is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: It's interesting that people are still comparing this virus to the flu. It's no longer about the number of cases, or the number of deaths, or mortality rates. The implications are so much bigger than the regular flu. The regular flu doesn't cancel schools, doesn't curtail air travel, doesn't ban mass gatherings, doesn't force people into quarantine en masse, doesn't shutter factories, doesn't effect global supply chains, doesn't cause financial markets to panic. There's talk of the summer Olympics in Tokyo being cancelled or shifted to London. That's a pretty big deal. The way it has suddenly spread in Italy and Iran is a big problem. Not to mention outbreaks in Japan and South Korea. The world is overdue for a recession. This is possibly enough to tip it into recession. Let's see the regular flu do that. US Health and Human Services Azar: There will likely be more cases of coronavirus in US Tue 25 Feb 2020 17:10:46 GMT Health and Human Services Sec. Azar warrants of coronavirus. US stockpile of N95 masks is 30 million. Experts have suggested we need 300 million for healthcare workers There will likely be more cases of coronavirus in the United States US has stockpile of ventilators and masks, but not enough for coronavirus outbreak Departments infectious disease rapid response fund running out of money We have to establish supply and build up manufacturing capacity for surgical masks in the US *************** Sure doesn't sound like the US is prepared. If they aren't, there's zero chance Canada is. I brought up that same thing this morning. Canada is seeing home sale issues in the GVA and GTA right now. Record personal debt levels. Economic blockades are affecting the Canadian economy. On going trade disputes. Coronavirus curtailing travel and shipping. It's a perfect storm from a basic PEST analysis really. I have no debt and money in the bank. Let's see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 @nuckin_futz Should I wait a few more stays to buy stock? I see everything is going on sale lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 So glad I got out of my ETF stocks a few weeks back. Downhill slide like crazy the last couple days. Warranted or not, the fear of COVID19 is having massive affects to the entire globe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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