Canuck Surfer Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Horvat or Marchand ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Canucks Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 The winner is the team that gets the player that puts it together. Tbh it’s still up in the air. Laine can score no doubt but he has not done it consistently through the season. It’s been in bunches. Still it’s goals but i think this trade could go either way at this point. I don’t know if Laine stays in Columbus either. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 I see PLD is getting the Monahan treatment- people assume he’s a future (or current) Selke candidate because he’s big and Canadian. Dude doesn’t kill penalties, gets sheltered deployment with poor possession outcomes, and hasn’t put up great numbers without Panarin on his wing. Maybe it’ll come but it’s not there yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Just now, Sean Monahan said: I see PLD is getting the Monahan treatment- Some irony in this post? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 The Finnish GM got his Fin after all. Big win for the Jets, Dubois is a beast, Laine and Torts will not get along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Just now, Canuck Surfer said: Some irony in this post? To be honest the name was just inspired by the old Boring Sean Monahan account on Twitter. I find the guy very overrated. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 37 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said: And PLDs attitude is any better? Just wait until PLD needs to change his tampon again. Cried his way out of Columbus and I wouldn’t put it past him to pout about being in Winnipeg He's not the first player to have an issue playing with Torts though.... so I reckon it's more a Torts problem than a player problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Horvat or Boeser Bergeron or Marchand Center over winger every day. Laine might be a shade more dynamic but he's absolutely shown an unwillingness to get dirty where Dubois is ok with it. Dubois is a work in progress but imo only, when it shakes out Columbus lost this deal long term 8 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: ? Not sure what you're quoting or why it looks like that. My statement is that the center wins out over time almost every time. Added that I genuinely think Laine is a flight risk. 5 years will see Edited January 23, 2021 by Warhippy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Roslovic was drafted in the first round, and didn't pan out. The return was only a 3rd rounder. Sometimes players don't work out. It's just the business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldnews Posted January 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Laine, is hands down the most compelling talent. I normally argue the team who ends up with the best player wins. In this case CBJ. See @Baer. 's note; 40 goal scorer for 50 point center. Not hands down at all. But? Winnipeg traded from a position of strength. They still have three top line capable wingers; Kyle Connor, Blake Wheeler & Nikolaj Ehlers. Adds an ideal 2knd line, big physical center. Potential is great for Winnipeg if his compete level stays. Its a great positional move! >> Danger sign is he gave up on his team in CBJ. His game style requires being emotionally invested. Even more so than Laine /// Was it Torts, or was it entitlement? Columbus? Torts rode ''his'' style players out of town. They surprised the last two years playing physically demanding, in your face hockey, winning battles. Domi tries. A pop shot on Kesler notwithstanding? CBJ loses hundreds of physical battles each year having injected Max Domi in place of Josh Anderson. And they lose twice from the hockey side here. They lose physicality plus don't have any center depth to replace Dubois! Texier and Domi as one & two pivots? Who is going to feed Laine all the assists to make him effective? >> Danger all over the place... Created a gaping hole in the roster to get the best player. Lose physicality. I dont believe they have the assets to trade for a #1 C. I don't like it. But can buy it from Winnipeg's standpoint. I don't get it from CBJ's view at all. I also see the way Torts handled the media two nights ago. ''Ask him,'' Dubois that is, Torts tells the media. Reality is he forced his GM's hand. Like he tried to here, wanting more turnover of players, different players than he was given? So he got fired. Lets see if he forced the right hand? You can be a good ''hockey'' coach, still a dinosaur who hurts and constantly damages your team. I think Torts should have left, ala Babcock in Toronto. The bolded part is certainly Columbus' challenge moving forward. And I don't think the 40g for 50pt thing quite stands up. Dubois 159pts in 239 games (55pts per 82) . Laine 250 in 306 (67 per 82). That 12 pt gap imo is counterbalanced by the value of Dubois being a center (if he doesn't wind up a winger conversion in the end, which I don't think he will). But dealing a center for winger in Columbus' circumstances - not ideal by any stretch of the imagination (and I like Roslovic but not sure he will change that top 6 any time soon). Maybe Foudy will become an answer but there are some real question marks there. Domi Texier (Foudy) (Roslovic) Riley Nash Jenner (Foligno also capable of and does play center) Domi in particular I am skeptical can handle the two way duties and matchups of a 'top line' C (and at 25 has yet to crack 50% in the faceoff circle) - with Dubois gone, the heat on these two (and potential successors) will probably only intensify. Very good 'bottom 6' centers - but I think they've weakened at those critical top 6 center spots. Kind of sad to see where that franchise has 'devolved' to considering their trajectory a few years ago. But step one: fire Torts. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 CBJs win this one. How pissed would you be if you were PLD? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Chris12345 said: CBJs win this one. How pissed would you be if you were PLD? I think he won't be that unhappy. His dad is a defensive coach for the Manitoba Moose. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Just now, Dazzle said: I think he won't be that unhappy. His dad is a defensive coach for the Manitoba Moose. It would take a lot for me to live in Winnipeg. An NHL salary would do it but it wouldn't be my first stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofvan Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 20 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Horvat or Boeser Bergeron or Marchand Center over winger every day. Laine might be a shade more dynamic but he's absolutely shown an unwillingness to get dirty where Dubois is ok with it. Dubois is a work in progress but imo only, when it shakes out Columbus lost this deal long term At this point it would be more like: Barkov or Huberdeau Point or Kucherov Dubois is well below average in the FO circle and does not have a 2 way game, so at this point he has played sheltered offensive minutes and managed a career best of 61pts. I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I think Columbus clearly won this trade when the salary retention and Roslovic are factored in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Not sure what youre quoting. My statement is that the center wins out over time almost every time A 2knd line center versus a 2knd line winger? Yes I agree! 1st line to 1st line? Still agree. A 2knd line center, versus a top line, perhaps all star winger? Upside higher than an all star? I am not so sure. Laine has so much upside. Creates a match up problem as soon as he is on the ice. I dont believe the line in the sand is obvious, thats all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Canuck Surfer said: A 2knd line center versus a 2knd line winger? Yes I agree! 1st line to 1st line? Still agree. A 2knd line center, versus a top line, perhaps all star winger? Upside higher than an all star? I am not so sure. Laine has so much upside. Creates a match up problem as soon as he is on the ice. I dont believe the line in the sand is obvious, thats all. That's fair. Laine has the toolbox. Dubois does too though. at days end one of them will lead their team to something and I just don't see it being Laine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said: @oldnews correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t a big part of the issue for PLD in Columbus that he wanted to be on a “bigger stage”? I took that to mean either a bigger market, more responsibility, or both. Winnipeg is definitely more of a hockey market than Columbus is but c’mon...it’s Winnipeg. Monty’s gonna tell us why it’s so much better than we think and the west coast actually sucks but there’s a reason real estate is cheap in Winnipeg. Nobody wants to live there. I was born there - which is in part why I fluff Winnipeg (partly tongue-in-cheek of course) - and cheap real estate is a positive in my books - but I can't speak for Dubois reasons for wanting out of Columbus - wanting a bigger stage may be part of it - who knows (I think Winnipeg is a rabid hockey market and that part 'should' qualify) - but I'd have to think that Tortorella was prime mover #1. I personally would not tolerate his amateurish lack of self-control and counter-productive relationship wrecking ball - I'd launch him in a heartbeat. He 'promised' to temper his tendency to come unhinged - a large part of what bought him another chance - his b.s. mea culpa - but it's patently obvious that it lasted virtually no time at all - he was ballbusting guys like Hartnell in short order. I have to think that Dubois' primary issue was getting the fk away from Mr Anger Management = "here's Johnny" - but it's admittedly large part impression/assumption (only Dubois could really elaborate, but the endless footage of Tortorella railing on him leaves a convincing impression for sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofvan Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, oldnews said: The bolded part is certainly Columbus' challenge moving forward. And I don't think the 40g for 50pt thing quite stands up. Dubois 159pts in 239 games (55pts per 82) . Laine 250 in 306 (67 per 82). That 12 pt gap imo is counterbalanced by the value of Dubois being a center (if he doesn't wind up a winger conversion in the end, which I don't think he will). But dealing a center for winger in Columbus' circumstances - not ideal by any stretch of the imagination (and I like Roslovic but not sure he will change that top 6 any time soon). Maybe Foudy will become an answer but there are some real question marks there. Domi Texier (Foudy) (Roslovic) Riley Nash Jenner (Foligno also capable of and does play center) Domi in particular I am skeptical can handle the two way duties and matchups of a 'top line' C (and at 25 has yet to crack 50% in the faceoff circle) - with Dubois gone, the heat on these two (and potential successors) will probably only intensify. Very good 'bottom 6' centers - but I think they've weakened at those critical top 6 center spots. Kind of sad to see where that franchise has 'devolved' to considering their trajectory a few years ago. But step one: fire Torts. Maybe if the centre is capable of doing things centres do....like win a lot of face-offs (which Dubois doesnt) and play a strong 2 way game (which Dubois doesnt). A 12 point gap is the difference between a 1st liner and a 2nd liner (Pettersson and Horvat was a 13 point gap). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Only a matter of time before Torts gets turned on by all his players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, HKSR said: He's not the first player to have an issue playing with Torts though.... so I reckon it's more a Torts problem than a player problem. Yea any player that’s softer than baby$h!+ will ask for a trade out. You’re in the f***ing show now, you expect your boss to treat you like a child? They are at the highest level of hockey, the smallest of errors has consequences and if you can’t correct your issues, you better bet your a$$ someone’s breathing down your neck. Torts is a hardass and didn’t win a Stanley cup by coddling his players. He’s a straight shooter, if you can’t handle the hard truth you arent cut out for his team. Why is it only PLD right now that wanted out bad enough that he stopped playing hockey with any effort? The kid is an entitled brat. The rest of the players didn’t give up despite Torts wrath. Those guys are the team players, PLD is the selfish player who’s there to make his money and doesn’t like being yelled at. To me, PLD quit on his team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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