Convincing John Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 minute ago, RWJC said: What do you consider a potato in terms of your own hockey analysis? From all reports on him and the limited games i've seen him play in (between 45-50 maybe?) the guy doesn't seem to have any issues or negative characteristics with his skating. He hasn't shown superior hands on O, but that isn't what he's been counted on for. Can you explain your POV a bit further? Just curious how you arrived at your opinion. thx man He doesn’t know what to do with the puck so he just dumps it. he is a straight line North and South player He sucks at face offs. to be completely honest, he would be far better on the wing where he can dig the puck out of the scums and give it to someone that isn’t completely useless with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -AJ- Posted July 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2021 Looks like a solid 3rd line centre. I expect Beags to be the 4th line guy and Sutter to 100% be gone now (if there was any doubt). Some info a cursory look tells me: - Not very good at face-offs - Relatively defensive usage last year - Very strong CORSI numbers given his usage - Fairly steady offensive production around 0.30 points-per-game, or 25 points in a full season - Just turned 26 years old - Pending RFA in need of a new contract - Not hugely aggressive, but does hit with his 6'2" 200 lb frame - Very responsible on the penalty front (9 minors taken, 15 drawn (15 drawn is 1st among Stars forwards) - Led Dallas forwards in blocked shots last year (19th in the NHL) - Led Dallas forwards in takeaways last year (57th in NHL) - 3rd (almost tied for 2nd) among Stars forwards in PK minutes last year All in all, it depends a bit on his contract, but this looks like a steal for a 3rd IMO. Not very much offensive potential and needs to work on face-offs to become a great 3rd line centre, but other than that, he's already a fantastic defensive forward. 3 4 9 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewonder20 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Alflives said: How do you know this, because that’s way too much for this type of player? https://www.defendingbigd.com/2021/6/14/22526686/analysis-between-radek-faksa-jason-dickinson-who-do-the-dallas-stars-protect-seattle-joe-pavelski it’s from this article. Don’t shoot the messenger. We are used to overpaying for Sutter so this isn’t so bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: How do you know this, because that’s way too much for this type of player? $2.8M x 3yrs is the contract predicted by Evolving-Hockey’s model. They’re usually pretty close, at least on average, but it’s just a prediction. I suspect that Dickinson’s strong analytics could inflate the AAV predicted by their model, so hopefully he can be signed for a lot less than that, but he’s probably worth around $3M AAV. Benning also got permission to talk to Dickinson’s agent before making the trade, and feels comfortable with the salary range they want for the extension, so hopefully that’s a good sign that the new contract will be decent value and nothing outrageous (although Benning is known to overpay, so we’ll see what happens). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: I’m not pleased or displeased with this trade. I just don’t think Dickinson is a centre, who Green will be comfortable with taking D zone face-offs. Imo, he’s a winger, and guys like this are available in free agency. It only cost a third, so if he can play bottom six wing, and PK, then it’s fine. But I still see Miller playing centre. Yep, I go is kind of a “meh” deal. If Seattle takes Holtby instead of Lind that automatically makes it a bit better. I think there will be some young RFAs who don’t get qualified who are better than Dickinson. The good news is that it is a low cost acquisition and won’t really handcuff us, assuming we don’t extend him at a big price tag before we see what other options are available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 30 minutes ago, Provost said: Go jump in a lake. I just came up from the beach how did you know lol? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beary Sweet Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Good pick up. Dickinson has some potential and a solid 2 or 3C. You can utilize him on the PK and very solid on face offs. This likely marks the end for Sutter. Now, get Huggy Bear and Petey locked up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convincing John Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Petey40 said: Curious, what are some ideas for trades that can help improve the team? You seem to hate this one so I wanna know what you think is better? Do what Jim does best and draft a hockey team, let his mistakes expire and when all the poo comes off the books his players he is developing will begin to emerge. We just keep going in circles. Wait for contract to expire, Have cap, spend cap, wait for contracts to expire…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Kenny Blankenship said: All right it’s decided, the all-wise Convincing John has spoken. We clearly lost this trade. Convincing John, like many other know-it-alls on this board, watches every game that every team plays, all year long. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Chris12345 said: I just came up from the beach how did you know lol? I am about to go jump in a lake myself! I live in the Okanagan now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleysteamersmyl Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 35 minutes ago, Convincing John said: I live in Texas half the year I know what this sloth is. He is like Luke Richardson but a forward. Have you been following the Canucks bottom six this past season? Dickinson is a upgrade on what the Canucks currently have there. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket1994 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, Provost said: So now you are lying in addition to name calling? You were the one quoting my post and inventing nonsense while name calling. You called me dumb for posting that I was going to wait for actual evidence on the ice before giving him credit. In your mind you seem to think that waiting for evidence is prejudging something. That is genuinely idiotic logic. Grown ups look at evidence and then revise their opinions when new evidence presents itself. No new evidence has presented itself as of yet. Here are the actual posts to show your utter lack of coherent thinking… You quoted me first on my very first post in which i said what i said about judgement / criticism! Funny how that gets missed. Now, f off!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: $2.8M x 3yrs is the contract predicted by Evolving-Hockey’s model. They’re usually pretty close, at least on average, but it’s just a prediction. I suspect that Dickinson’s strong analytics could inflate the AAV predicted by their model, so hopefully he can be signed for a lot less than that, but he’s probably worth around $3M AAV. Benning also got permission to talk to Dickinson’s agent before making the trade, and feels comfortable with the salary range they want for the extension, so hopefully that’s a good sign that the new contract will be decent value and nothing outrageous (although Benning is known to overpay, so we’ll see what happens). That’s a lot for a bottom six winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convincing John Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said: Haha, ok. I’ll tell you who, Bottom 6 lines need goals from a bottom 6 player. Look how great it worked for Tampa to win back to back cups with contributions from the bottom 6 and the prices they paid for bottom 6 scoring. Any time Jim can flip a pick for an actual NHL player, it gives us an actual NHL player and not the hopes of an NHL player. Trust every cup winning team, you need scoring in the bottom 6. Its not a blockbuster deal that puts us over the top, but its a step in the right direction. Also… look how great it worked for Edmonton?? Their top line got shut down and they got their a$$es handed to them. You literally just expanded on my point. jason Dickinson can’t score goals. He is not supplementary offence when the top line gets shut down. He shuts himself down though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdeath Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 If Bo can teach him the art of the face-off or we can find someone else for 3C and plant him on the wing this is a pretty big W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 minute ago, stanleysteamersmyl said: Have you been following the Canucks bottom six this past season? Dickinson is a upgrade on what the Canucks currently have there. But is he next year, when Lind is a year more developed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Provost said: I am about to go jump in a lake myself! I live in the Okanagan now. Excellent choice. I left Van long ago. Too much opportunity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convincing John Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, stanleysteamersmyl said: Have you been following the Canucks bottom six this past season? Dickinson is a upgrade on what the Canucks currently have there. A lateral move 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Goal:thecup Posted July 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Convincing John said: Honestly, Why does Jim love players where offence dies. Gross Yeah, like Petey and Huggy and Hogz and Podz and JT and Schmitty and Boner and Brock and ... need I go on John? 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, stanleysteamersmyl said: Have you been following the Canucks bottom six this past season? Dickinson is a upgrade on what the Canucks currently have there. In fairness so are you lol. Edited July 17, 2021 by Chris12345 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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